Episode 42

Hidden Infrastructure: The Foundations of Open Source with Josh Simmons


27 August 2021

45 mins 30 secs

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About this Episode

CHAOSScast – Episode 42

Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen.

We are super excited to have as our guest, Josh Simmons, who is President of the Open Source Initiative and Ecosystem Strategy Lead at Tidelift. Today, we will be talking with Josh all about Open Source Foundations and the topic of “Hidden Infrastructure” which is very relevant to community health. We learn from Josh the major challenges he sees to open source foundations sustainability and foundational sustainability in corporations. Also, there is a big discussion with everyone as each of them share their opinions about the health of projects and foundations and how they would asses that. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.

[00:02:42] Josh explains the topic of “Hidden Infrastructure-The Foundations of Open Source.”

[00:05:24] Brian asks Josh what he sees as some of the major challenges that he sees to open source foundations sustainability.

[00:08:43] Daniel wonders where Josh sees the balance between growing and growing as a foundation or being more of a smaller foundation but really focused on providing those services to the projects.

[00:14:10] Josh goes more in depth about foundational sustainability in corporations.

[00:24:54] There is discussion with everyone about the health of projects and foundations and how you would assess that.

[00:35:35] Daniel brings up development tools, some might not be open source that are being used, and there might be changes in the service quality, and he asks Josh if this is an issue we should be aware of or take care of.

[00:38:42] Daniel tells us about how they analyzed software development projects at GrimoireLab, which is part of CHAOSS Project, and what happened.

[00:39:55] Find out where you can get in touch with Josh and follow him online.

Adds (Picks) of the week:

  • [00:40:29] Georg’s picks are the answer to the “Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything,” and his birthday coming up August 27th.
  • [00:41:34] Brian’s pick is being excited about the OSPO.Zone from the new Open Alliance in the EU.
  • [00:42:22] Daniel’s pick is taking a course on Business Anthropology.
  • [00:43:02] Josh’s pick is a project called OCEAN + ACROSS.


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