Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast- Episode 99
\n\nHosts:
\nRay Paik
Daniël van Eeden
\n\nGuests:
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nWe’re taking a break this week so we’re very pleased to share instead an episode from our friends over at Data in the Hallway, hosted by Ray Paik and co-hosted by Daniël van Eeden. Their podcast dives deep into the fascinating world of database technology, open source innovation, and the incredible stories shaping global tech communities.
\n\nIn this episode, Ray and Daniël sit down with Dawn Foster, Director of Data Science at the CHAOSS Project, to explore the re-licensing of major open source projects—a significant trend over the past decade. Together, they unpack the ripple effects this has on community health, share advice for developers navigating Contributor License Agreements, and examine the financial and business implications of re-licensing. They also reflect on whether this trend is likely to continue in the years ahead.
\n\nThroughout the episode, they reference some excellent resources, including case-study data from CHAOSS, guides on open source organizational dynamics, and financial analyses that add depth to the discussion. Links to these resources are in the show notes if you want to explore further.
\n\nThe case-study data: https://github.com/chaoss/wg-data-science/tree/main/dataset/license-changes/fork-case-study
\nMore details about the organizational dynamics in OSS: https://chaoss.community/practitioner-guide-organizational-participation/
\nDiscussion on the topic by James Governor, Amanda Brock, and Dawn Foster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wliDVF3FpI0
\nBusiness implications/financial analysis: https://redmonk.com/rstephens/2024/08/26/software-licensing-changes-and-their-impact-on-financial-outcomes/
\nMagic Roundabout: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Hemel_Hempstead)
\nIf you have any feedback or suggestions for episodes, you can email us at podcast@pingcap.com.
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\n\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at [Peachtree Sound] (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr [Peachtree Sound] (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Special Guests: Daniël van Eeden and Ray Paik.
","summary":"We’re taking a break this week so we’re very pleased to share instead an episode from our friends over at Data in the Hallway, hosted by Ray Paik and co-hosted by Daniël van Eeden. Their podcast dives deep into the fascinating world of database technology, open source innovation, and the incredible stories shaping global tech communities.\r\n\r\nIn this episode, Ray and Daniël sit down with Dawn Foster, Director of Data Science at the CHAOSS Project, to explore the re-licensing of major open source projects—a significant trend over the past decade. Together, they unpack the ripple effects this has on community health, share advice for developers navigating Contributor License Agreements, and examine the financial and business implications of re-licensing. They also reflect on whether this trend is likely to continue in the years ahead.\r\n\r\nThroughout the episode, they reference some excellent resources, including case-study data from CHAOSS, guides on open source organizational dynamics, and financial analyses that add depth to the discussion. Links to these resources are in the show notes if you want to explore further.\r\n\r\nIf you enjoy this conversation, be sure to check out more episodes of Data in the Hallway, You can find them on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.\r\n\r\nNow, let’s dive into this fascinating discussion with Dawn Foster. 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They dive into the nuances of community management, from setting welcoming and inclusive cultures to recognizing diverse contributions that extend beyond code, and share their insights on building engaged communities, empowering contributors, and using feedback and data to measure community health and success. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:04:48] We start with Fibi defining community management as building and sustaining inclusive spaces based on principles like membership, influence, integration, and shared emotional connection. \n\n[00:05:50] Elizabeth describes how community culture is influenced by leadership, communication style, and project goals. \n\n[00:07:26] Ana emphasizes the importance of a clear onboarding process tailored to diverse contributors. \n\n[00:09:11] Fibi highlights the importance of welcoming members and creating a personalized experience for each contributor. \n\n[00:11:24] Elizabeth shares her approach to community management: creating safe, fun, and welcoming environments where people feel valued, and Ana discusses the value of understanding why members join communities to create better engagement. \n\n[00:15:54] The panelists discuss methods to maintain engagement, like recognizing member contributions and adapting community culture. Elizabeth highlights the importance of acknowledging contributions that don’t show up in code, like project management, design, and community engagement. \n\n[00:17:47] Ana shares insights on creating local community chapters, particularly for regions with unique cultural needs and Fibi explains the importance of giving members autonomy and opportunities for growth, helping build loyalty and satisfaction. \n\n[00:25:30] Harmony brings up measuring for community health which leads to a discussion on metrics for community health: participation rates, retention, and community surveys. Fibi outlines specific metrics used in different communities, from GitLab contributions to social media engagement. \n\n[00:32:23] Harmony suggests that members publicly identifying with a community is a positive indicator of community impact. \n\n[00:33:52] Fibi’s advice is to be patient, personalize engagement, and document successes, Ana’s advice is don’t put too much pressure on making everyone happy, and Elizabeth’s advice is to set boundaries and encourage a community-wide support system. \n\n[00:39:07] Ana, Fibi, and Elizabeth reflect on initiatives they’re proud of, from supporting diverse contributions to creating localized communities. \n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:43:43] Harmony’s pick is it’s ok to leave social media and do something else. \n[00:44:13] Elizabeth’s pick is watching “The Great British Baking Show.”\n[00:44:57] Fibi’s pick is a defining quote that changed the way she view’s life: “You are in life to experience it and not to control it.” \n[00:45:53] Ana’s pick is if you’re going to eat a meal, take your time and enjoy the meal tasting all the different meals. \n\n\n*Panelists: *\nHarmony Elendu\n\nElizabeth Barron\n\nIbi (Fibi) Fiberesima\n\nAna Jimenez\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nElizabeth Barron LinkedIn\n\nIbi Fiberesima Portfolio\n\nAna Jimenez Santamaria LinkedIn\n\nGNOME Africa\n\nOutreachy\n\nCommunity Squad Africa X\n\nPHP Women\n\nDeveloper Relations Foundation LinkedIn\n\nThe Great British Baking Show-NetflixSpecial Guests: Ana Jimenez Santamaria and Ibi Fiberesima.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 98
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu is joined by community experts Elizabeth Barron, Ibi (Fibi) Fiberesima, and Ana Jimenez to explore the vital role community culture plays in shaping the experience and productivity of contributors in open-source projects. They dive into the nuances of community management, from setting welcoming and inclusive cultures to recognizing diverse contributions that extend beyond code, and share their insights on building engaged communities, empowering contributors, and using feedback and data to measure community health and success. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:04:48] We start with Fibi defining community management as building and sustaining inclusive spaces based on principles like membership, influence, integration, and shared emotional connection.
\n\n[00:05:50] Elizabeth describes how community culture is influenced by leadership, communication style, and project goals.
\n\n[00:07:26] Ana emphasizes the importance of a clear onboarding process tailored to diverse contributors.
\n\n[00:09:11] Fibi highlights the importance of welcoming members and creating a personalized experience for each contributor.
\n\n[00:11:24] Elizabeth shares her approach to community management: creating safe, fun, and welcoming environments where people feel valued, and Ana discusses the value of understanding why members join communities to create better engagement.
\n\n[00:15:54] The panelists discuss methods to maintain engagement, like recognizing member contributions and adapting community culture. Elizabeth highlights the importance of acknowledging contributions that don’t show up in code, like project management, design, and community engagement.
\n\n[00:17:47] Ana shares insights on creating local community chapters, particularly for regions with unique cultural needs and Fibi explains the importance of giving members autonomy and opportunities for growth, helping build loyalty and satisfaction.
\n\n[00:25:30] Harmony brings up measuring for community health which leads to a discussion on metrics for community health: participation rates, retention, and community surveys. Fibi outlines specific metrics used in different communities, from GitLab contributions to social media engagement.
\n\n[00:32:23] Harmony suggests that members publicly identifying with a community is a positive indicator of community impact.
\n\n[00:33:52] Fibi’s advice is to be patient, personalize engagement, and document successes, Ana’s advice is don’t put too much pressure on making everyone happy, and Elizabeth’s advice is to set boundaries and encourage a community-wide support system.
\n\n[00:39:07] Ana, Fibi, and Elizabeth reflect on initiatives they’re proud of, from supporting diverse contributions to creating localized communities.
\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:
\n\n*Panelists: *
\nHarmony Elendu
Elizabeth Barron
\n\nIbi (Fibi) Fiberesima
\n\nAna Jimenez
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAna Jimenez Santamaria LinkedIn
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDeveloper Relations Foundation LinkedIn
\n\nThe Great British Baking Show-Netflix
Special Guests: Ana Jimenez Santamaria and Ibi Fiberesima.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu is joined by community experts Elizabeth Barron, Ibi (Fibi) Fiberesima, and Ana Jimenez to explore the vital role community culture plays in shaping the experience and productivity of contributors in open-source projects. They dive into the nuances of community management, from setting welcoming and inclusive cultures to recognizing diverse contributions that extend beyond code, and share their insights on building engaged communities, empowering contributors, and using feedback and data to measure community health and success. Press download now to hear more! ","date_published":"2024-11-28T06:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/e13a3f4b-a4b3-4670-913c-361b4e2a69a8.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":93747939,"duration_in_seconds":2920}]},{"id":"a3618965-7280-437e-bf97-4f0090e722a5","title":"Episode 97: Practitioner Guides: #4 Security","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/97","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 97\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, Harmony Elendu hosts a discussion with Emily Fox from Red Hat and Dawn Foster, the Director of Data Science at CHAOSS. Today, they explore the new Security Practitioner Guide created to help maintainers, who may lack deep security backgrounds, get started with essential security practices. Emily and Dawn highlight actionable steps, key trends, and simplifications to adopt in maintaining a secure project. They also touch on challenges like vulnerability reporting and the importance of consistent monitoring and updating. Additionally, the guide's flexibility, allowing customization and improvement over time, and the significance of community support are emphasized. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:02:02] Dawn starts out with providing an overview of CHAOSS Project’s Practitioner Guides, which helps newcomers to open source understand key metrics and mentions the current focus on the Security Guide. \n\n[00:03:24] Dawn gives us an overview of the Security Practitioner Guide as she describes it as a starting point for maintainers, particularly those without a security background. \n\n[00:04:10] Emily emphasizes that many maintainers struggle with starting security practices and shares the two primary security focuses on open source: project security design and repository security. \n\n[00:05:38] Harmony notes the importance of project design and patterns, asking about security trends and considerations in open source projects. Dawn mentions the Libyears (dependency freshness) and Release Frequency as key security metrics, and Emily adds that OpenSSF best practices contribute to project quality and maturity.\n\n[00:08:32] Harmony asks for insights on how contributors can interpret these metrics. Emily suggests various resources and communities, such as CNCF’s tag-security, for maintainers looking to improve security. \n\n[00:11:39] Emily discusses common issues with vulnerability reporting and the importance of having a process in place, with community resources available for support. Dawn emphasizes the importance of having basic security policies in place early on in a project and suggests starting out with a simple security.md file to outline how to handle vulnerability reports. \n\n[00:15:47] Dawn suggests consulting the Practitioners Guide’s “Make Improvements” section, which included adding a security.md file and implementing automation to track outdated dependencies and Emily cautions that metrics are only as effective as their relevance, recommending incremental steps for improvement. \n\n[00:18:53] Dawn highlights the importance of the OpenSSF scorecard, which helps both maintainers and OSPOs assess project security. \n\n[00:20:29] Emily and Dawn simplify the Practitioner Guides into basic steps and Emily reiterates that projects should define their own security goals and commit to them for consistent improvements. \n\n[00:23:56] Harmony emphasizes the importance of documentation for continuity in project security and Dawn reminds us that the Practitioner Guides are MIT-licensed and customizable for different projects.\n\n[00:25:11] Dawn and Emily explain where you can ask questions or how to implement things in your project using the Practitioner’s Guide. \n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:26:55] Dawn’s pick is 3D printing and learning how to design new things.\n[00:28:02] Emily’s pick is taking a break from the internet and doing something outside.\n[00:28:45] Harmony’s pick is creating personalized templates to help with document preparation and tasks.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\nHarmony Elendu\n\nDawn Foster\n\nGuest:\n\nEmily Fox\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nHarmony Elendu X\n\nDawn Foster X\n\nEmily Fox LinkedIn\n\nCHAOSS Practitioner Guides\n\nCHAOSS Practitioner Guide: Security\n\nLibyears\n\nRelease Frequency\n\nCloud Native Contributors Security Guidelines for New Projects \n\nGitHub Docs-Adding a security policy to your repository\n\nOpenSSF Scorecard\n\nOpenSSF-Source Code Management Platform Configuration Best Practices\n\nCNCF tag-security: Self-assessment\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 85: Introducing CHAOSS Practitioner Guides: #1 Responsiveness\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 88: Practitioner Guides: #2 Contributor Sustainability\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 89: Practitioner Guides: #3 Organizational Participation\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 93: Guest Episode-Sustain meets CHAOSScast to talk about Practitioner Guides\n\nDawn Foster- Maker World Special Guest: Emily Fox.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 97
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, Harmony Elendu hosts a discussion with Emily Fox from Red Hat and Dawn Foster, the Director of Data Science at CHAOSS. Today, they explore the new Security Practitioner Guide created to help maintainers, who may lack deep security backgrounds, get started with essential security practices. Emily and Dawn highlight actionable steps, key trends, and simplifications to adopt in maintaining a secure project. They also touch on challenges like vulnerability reporting and the importance of consistent monitoring and updating. Additionally, the guide's flexibility, allowing customization and improvement over time, and the significance of community support are emphasized. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:02:02] Dawn starts out with providing an overview of CHAOSS Project’s Practitioner Guides, which helps newcomers to open source understand key metrics and mentions the current focus on the Security Guide.
\n\n[00:03:24] Dawn gives us an overview of the Security Practitioner Guide as she describes it as a starting point for maintainers, particularly those without a security background.
\n\n[00:04:10] Emily emphasizes that many maintainers struggle with starting security practices and shares the two primary security focuses on open source: project security design and repository security.
\n\n[00:05:38] Harmony notes the importance of project design and patterns, asking about security trends and considerations in open source projects. Dawn mentions the Libyears (dependency freshness) and Release Frequency as key security metrics, and Emily adds that OpenSSF best practices contribute to project quality and maturity.
\n\n[00:08:32] Harmony asks for insights on how contributors can interpret these metrics. Emily suggests various resources and communities, such as CNCF’s tag-security, for maintainers looking to improve security.
\n\n[00:11:39] Emily discusses common issues with vulnerability reporting and the importance of having a process in place, with community resources available for support. Dawn emphasizes the importance of having basic security policies in place early on in a project and suggests starting out with a simple security.md file to outline how to handle vulnerability reports.
\n\n[00:15:47] Dawn suggests consulting the Practitioners Guide’s “Make Improvements” section, which included adding a security.md file and implementing automation to track outdated dependencies and Emily cautions that metrics are only as effective as their relevance, recommending incremental steps for improvement.
\n\n[00:18:53] Dawn highlights the importance of the OpenSSF scorecard, which helps both maintainers and OSPOs assess project security.
\n\n[00:20:29] Emily and Dawn simplify the Practitioner Guides into basic steps and Emily reiterates that projects should define their own security goals and commit to them for consistent improvements.
\n\n[00:23:56] Harmony emphasizes the importance of documentation for continuity in project security and Dawn reminds us that the Practitioner Guides are MIT-licensed and customizable for different projects.
\n\n[00:25:11] Dawn and Emily explain where you can ask questions or how to implement things in your project using the Practitioner’s Guide.
\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nHarmony Elendu
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nGuest:
\n\nEmily Fox
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCHAOSS Practitioner Guide: Security
\n\n\n\n\n\nCloud Native Contributors Security Guidelines for New Projects
\n\nGitHub Docs-Adding a security policy to your repository
\n\n\n\nOpenSSF-Source Code Management Platform Configuration Best Practices
\n\nCNCF tag-security: Self-assessment
\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 85: Introducing CHAOSS Practitioner Guides: #1 Responsiveness
\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 88: Practitioner Guides: #2 Contributor Sustainability
\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 89: Practitioner Guides: #3 Organizational Participation
\n\n\n\nSpecial Guest: Emily Fox.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, Harmony Elendu hosts a discussion with Emily Fox from Red Hat and Dawn Foster, the Director of Data Science at CHAOSS. Today, they explore the new Security Practitioner Guide created to help maintainers, who may lack deep security backgrounds, get started with essential security practices. Emily and Dawn highlight actionable steps, key trends, and simplifications to adopt in maintaining a secure project. They also touch on challenges like vulnerability reporting and the importance of consistent monitoring and updating. Additionally, the guide's flexibility, allowing customization and improvement over time, and the significance of community support are emphasized. Press download now to hear more! ","date_published":"2024-11-14T05:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/a3618965-7280-437e-bf97-4f0090e722a5.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":60325728,"duration_in_seconds":1885}]},{"id":"20325f0e-8e0b-4187-b224-efcb5e28f437","title":"Episode 96: What's new with GrimoireLab, the open-source community analytics platform","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/96","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 96\n\nIn this episode, host Georg Link is joined by guests Courtney Robertson and Santiago (Santi) Dueñas to discuss the latest updates and future directions of GrimoireLab, an open-source tool designed to analyze community health metrics. They dive into how GrimoireLab originated, its current usage, and how organizations like WordPress and Bitergia are utilizing it for community contribution tracking. They explore the challenges of scaling the tool and the needs for further automation and data source integration. Courtney shares insights on how WordPress uses GrimoireLab to track contributors, improve sustainability, and automate reporting, while Santi explains the technical evolution of GrimoireLab, including moving to OpenSearch and improving database performance. Hit download now to hear more! \n\n[00:00:57] Courtney shares her background in Word Press and contributions to the community since 2005.\n\n[00:02:07] Santi introduces himself and talks about the origins of GrimoireLab as a spinoff from Bitergia.\n\n[00:03:34] Georg explains his role as co-founder of the CHAOSS project and its connection to GrimoireLab.\n\n[00:05:04] Santi discusses the history and name origins of GrimoireLab.\n\n[00:09:21] Courtney talks about her journey using GrimoireLab for WordPress metrics and how it helps improve contributor recognition and shares a story how she met Georg for the first time at a CHAOSScon.\n\n[00:16:38] Courtney shares her “Wish list” for WordPress community data tracking, including new data sources and scaling challenges. \n\n[00:25:04] Santi explains the current focus on improving GrimoireLab’s scalability and performance. \n\n[00:27:55] Georg shares final thoughts on future developments.\n\n[00:29:47] Find out where you can follow Courtney and Santi online. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:31:08] Georg’s pick is getting a new puppy.\n[00:31:42] Courtney’s pick is watching the movie Coco with her children.\n[00:32:24] Santi’s pick is collecting physical media (movies and comics).\n\n\nPanelist: \nGeorg Link\n\nGuests:\n\nSantiago (Santi) Dueñas\n\nCourtney Robertson\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nSantiago Dueñas X\n\nSantiago Dueñas LinkedIn\n\nCourtney Robertson X\n\nCourtney Robertson Website\n\nCourtney Robertson LinkedIn\n\nGrimoireLab-GitHub\n\nBitergia\n\nWordPress\n\nCoco (2017 film)\n\nSolving the Maker-Taker problem-Dries Buytaert\n\nWordPress Contribution Health Dashboards: An Experiment by Hari Shanker R\n\nFive for the Future program-WordPressSpecial Guests: Courtney Robertson and Santiago Duenas.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 96
\n\nIn this episode, host Georg Link is joined by guests Courtney Robertson and Santiago (Santi) Dueñas to discuss the latest updates and future directions of GrimoireLab, an open-source tool designed to analyze community health metrics. They dive into how GrimoireLab originated, its current usage, and how organizations like WordPress and Bitergia are utilizing it for community contribution tracking. They explore the challenges of scaling the tool and the needs for further automation and data source integration. Courtney shares insights on how WordPress uses GrimoireLab to track contributors, improve sustainability, and automate reporting, while Santi explains the technical evolution of GrimoireLab, including moving to OpenSearch and improving database performance. Hit download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:00:57] Courtney shares her background in Word Press and contributions to the community since 2005.
\n\n[00:02:07] Santi introduces himself and talks about the origins of GrimoireLab as a spinoff from Bitergia.
\n\n[00:03:34] Georg explains his role as co-founder of the CHAOSS project and its connection to GrimoireLab.
\n\n[00:05:04] Santi discusses the history and name origins of GrimoireLab.
\n\n[00:09:21] Courtney talks about her journey using GrimoireLab for WordPress metrics and how it helps improve contributor recognition and shares a story how she met Georg for the first time at a CHAOSScon.
\n\n[00:16:38] Courtney shares her “Wish list” for WordPress community data tracking, including new data sources and scaling challenges.
\n\n[00:25:04] Santi explains the current focus on improving GrimoireLab’s scalability and performance.
\n\n[00:27:55] Georg shares final thoughts on future developments.
\n\n[00:29:47] Find out where you can follow Courtney and Santi online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelist:
\nGeorg Link
Guests:
\n\nSantiago (Santi) Dueñas
\n\nCourtney Robertson
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSolving the Maker-Taker problem-Dries Buytaert
\n\nWordPress Contribution Health Dashboards: An Experiment by Hari Shanker R
\n\nFive for the Future program-WordPress
Special Guests: Courtney Robertson and Santiago Duenas.
","summary":"In this episode, host Georg Link is joined by guests Courtney Robertson and Santiago (Santi) Dueñas to discuss the latest updates and future directions of GrimoireLab, an open-source tool designed to analyze community health metrics. They dive into how GrimoireLab originated, its current usage, and how organizations like WordPress and Bitergia are utilizing it for community contribution tracking. They explore the challenges of scaling the tool and the needs for further automation and data source integration. Courtney shares insights on how WordPress uses GrimoireLab to track contributors, improve sustainability, and automate reporting, while Santi explains the technical evolution of GrimoireLab, including moving to OpenSearch and improving database performance. Hit download now to hear more! ","date_published":"2024-10-31T04:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/20325f0e-8e0b-4187-b224-efcb5e28f437.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":65241354,"duration_in_seconds":2038}]},{"id":"f74a5385-f8da-4941-b1e7-b7089c5d49f1","title":"Episode 95: Planning an Open Source event or project with DEI badging","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/95","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 95\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu and guests Ruth Ikegah, Enock Kasaadha, and Adeyinka Oresanya discuss the DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) Badging Project and its impact on promoting inclusivity in open-source communities. They explore the history of the project, the differences between project and event badging, and the importance of DEI badges in signaling a commitment to diversity. The episode provides insights on how to apply for badges and highlights the role of both automation and human reviewers in the process. Listeners are encouraged to learn more about improving diversity in their own projects and events. Press download now! \n\n[00:00:28] Ruth, Enock, and Adeyinka introduce themselves. \n\n[00:02:47] Harmony introduces the DEI Badging Project and its contributions to open source communities globally. Enock gives a brief history of DEI Badging, highlighting its role in certifying events and projects for diversity, equity, and inclusion. \n\n[00:07:01] Ruth explains the key differences between project and event badging.\n\n[00:13:21] Enock explains the role of bots in automating parts of the badging process, but notes that event badging involves a more hands-on review by human reviewers to ensure the credibility of the DEI assessment.\n\n[00:15:23] Adeyinka discusses the importance of DEI badging for open source maintainers and contributors. \n\n[00:17:23] Adeyinka provides a step-by-step guide on how to apply for project and event badges and explains how maintainers need to create a DEI.md file with metrics, and support is available for applicants who need help during the process.\n\n[00:24:32] Adeyinka explains that project badges do not currently expire but can be upgraded. Event badges, however, are event-specific and must be reapplied for each new occurrence of the event. \n\n[00:25:05] Harmony asks each guest to give a rating from 1-10 on how difficult it is to get a badge in the badging project. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:27:11] Harmony’s pick is the Let’s Talk Docs Podcast.\n[00:27:26] Enock’s pick is focusing on yourself and how peaceful you feel by living in this world. \n[00:28:11] Adeyinka’s pick is to be willing to bet on yourself and just take those chances.\n[00:28:29] Ruth’s pick is prioritizing rest. \n\n\nPanelist:\nHarmony Elendu\n\nGuests:\n\nRuth Ikegah\n\nEnock Kasaadha\n\nAdeyinka Oresanya\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nHarmony Elendu X\n\nRuth Ikegah X\n\nEnock Kasaadha LinkedIn\n\nAdeyinka Oresanya X\n\nDEI.md badging template\n\nDEI Metrics \n\nDEI CHAOSS Badging \n\nCHAOSS DEI Badging Initiative \n\nSample of a Project or event already Vetted\n\nSustain-Let’s Talk Docs PodcastSpecial Guests: Adeyinka Oresanya, Enock Kasaadha, and Ruth Ikegah.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 95
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu and guests Ruth Ikegah, Enock Kasaadha, and Adeyinka Oresanya discuss the DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) Badging Project and its impact on promoting inclusivity in open-source communities. They explore the history of the project, the differences between project and event badging, and the importance of DEI badges in signaling a commitment to diversity. The episode provides insights on how to apply for badges and highlights the role of both automation and human reviewers in the process. Listeners are encouraged to learn more about improving diversity in their own projects and events. Press download now!
\n\n[00:00:28] Ruth, Enock, and Adeyinka introduce themselves.
\n\n[00:02:47] Harmony introduces the DEI Badging Project and its contributions to open source communities globally. Enock gives a brief history of DEI Badging, highlighting its role in certifying events and projects for diversity, equity, and inclusion.
\n\n[00:07:01] Ruth explains the key differences between project and event badging.
\n\n[00:13:21] Enock explains the role of bots in automating parts of the badging process, but notes that event badging involves a more hands-on review by human reviewers to ensure the credibility of the DEI assessment.
\n\n[00:15:23] Adeyinka discusses the importance of DEI badging for open source maintainers and contributors.
\n\n[00:17:23] Adeyinka provides a step-by-step guide on how to apply for project and event badges and explains how maintainers need to create a DEI.md file with metrics, and support is available for applicants who need help during the process.
\n\n[00:24:32] Adeyinka explains that project badges do not currently expire but can be upgraded. Event badges, however, are event-specific and must be reapplied for each new occurrence of the event.
\n\n[00:25:05] Harmony asks each guest to give a rating from 1-10 on how difficult it is to get a badge in the badging project.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelist:
\nHarmony Elendu
Guests:
\n\nRuth Ikegah
\n\nEnock Kasaadha
\n\nAdeyinka Oresanya
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSample of a Project or event already Vetted
\n\nSustain-Let’s Talk Docs Podcast
Special Guests: Adeyinka Oresanya, Enock Kasaadha, and Ruth Ikegah.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu and guests Ruth Ikegah, Enock Kasaadha, and Adeyinka Oresanya discuss the DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) Badging Project and its impact on promoting inclusivity in open-source communities. They explore the history of the project, the differences between project and event badging, and the importance of DEI badges in signaling a commitment to diversity. The episode provides insights on how to apply for badges and highlights the role of both automation and human reviewers in the process. Listeners are encouraged to learn more about improving diversity in their own projects and events. Press download now! ","date_published":"2024-10-17T05:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/f74a5385-f8da-4941-b1e7-b7089c5d49f1.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":56667574,"duration_in_seconds":1770}]},{"id":"f98c8e77-b4ba-4a37-bbc4-b1798af74e75","title":"Episode 94: 20min in CHAOSS Africa with Precious, Gloria, and Maryblessing","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/94","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSScast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 94\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu is joined by members of the CHAOSS Africa community, Precious Abubakar, Gloria Johnson, and Maryblessing Okolie. Join us as they share their personal journeys and experiences contributing to the open-source ecosystem. They also discuss their roles in various CHAOSS projects, including the DEI Badging project, documentation efforts, and the Contributor Covenant. The episode highlights the importance of community support, the challenges and successes in open-source contributions, and suggestions for improving the onboarding process for newcomers. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:03:21] Precious shares her “open source awakening” through the CHAOSS Project and mentorship programs, particularly the Africa Contributor Program. \n\n[00:05:04] Maryblessing shares her experience with the Outreachy program and how conversations with Precious led her to contribute to the CHAOSS Project, specifically working on Augur software. \n\n[00:06:50] Gloria talks about her introduction to open source through her friend and joining the CHAOSS community and shares her initial hesitations and eventual onboarding into the open source space. \n\n[00:09:17] Harmony discusses the importance of attending open source meetings as a form of contribution and he reflects on the importance of the onboarding party for newcomers in the CHAOSS community. \n\n[00:11:51] Maryblessing describes her various contributions to CHAOSS, including event planning, facilitating meetings, and her leadership role in the Contributor Covenant project. \n\n[00:17:12] Gloria shares her contribution to the DEI Badging project, reviewing event badges and contributing as a project manager. Harmony praises the Badging project for its impact on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the open source space.\n\n[00:19:25] Precious shares her contributions to Project Badging, the CHAOSS Slack bot, and reflects on her journey in the open source space. \n\n[00:23:02] Harmony opens the discussion on how the CHAOSS community could improve the contributor experience, and our guests share how the community has evolved and reflects on improvements such as recognizing no-code contributors and how the tour guide system has been helpful for onboarding newcomers to the community.\n\n[00:27:02] Harmony wraps up by commending the community’s efforts to consistently improve the onboarding process for newcomers. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:28:01] Harmony’s pick is let’s see open source as a way of giving back to the world at large.\n[00:28:30] Maryblessing’s pick is nobody can steal your vision.\n[00:29:04] Gloria’s pick is let opportunities meet you prepared. \n[00:29:30] Precious’s pick is relaunching her blog. \n\n\nPanelist:\nHarmony Elendu\n\nGuests:\n\nPrecious Abubakar\n\nGloria Johnson\n\nMaryblessing Okolie\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\nCHAOSS Slack\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nCHAOSS Project Africa X\n\nCHAOSS Africa-GitHub\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nHarmony Elendu Medium\n\nHarmony Elendu X\n\nPrecious Abubakar Medium\n\nGloria Johnson LinkedIn\n\nMaryblessing Okolie LinkedIn\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 67: The CHAOSS Newcomer Slack Bot and She-Code-Africa with Precious and lyimide\n\nContributor Covenant \n\nCHAOSS DEI Project Badging\n\nCHAOSS Slack BotSpecial Guests: Gloria Johnson, Maryblessing Okolie, and Precious Abubakar.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSScast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 94
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu is joined by members of the CHAOSS Africa community, Precious Abubakar, Gloria Johnson, and Maryblessing Okolie. Join us as they share their personal journeys and experiences contributing to the open-source ecosystem. They also discuss their roles in various CHAOSS projects, including the DEI Badging project, documentation efforts, and the Contributor Covenant. The episode highlights the importance of community support, the challenges and successes in open-source contributions, and suggestions for improving the onboarding process for newcomers. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:03:21] Precious shares her “open source awakening” through the CHAOSS Project and mentorship programs, particularly the Africa Contributor Program.
\n\n[00:05:04] Maryblessing shares her experience with the Outreachy program and how conversations with Precious led her to contribute to the CHAOSS Project, specifically working on Augur software.
\n\n[00:06:50] Gloria talks about her introduction to open source through her friend and joining the CHAOSS community and shares her initial hesitations and eventual onboarding into the open source space.
\n\n[00:09:17] Harmony discusses the importance of attending open source meetings as a form of contribution and he reflects on the importance of the onboarding party for newcomers in the CHAOSS community.
\n\n[00:11:51] Maryblessing describes her various contributions to CHAOSS, including event planning, facilitating meetings, and her leadership role in the Contributor Covenant project.
\n\n[00:17:12] Gloria shares her contribution to the DEI Badging project, reviewing event badges and contributing as a project manager. Harmony praises the Badging project for its impact on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the open source space.
\n\n[00:19:25] Precious shares her contributions to Project Badging, the CHAOSS Slack bot, and reflects on her journey in the open source space.
\n\n[00:23:02] Harmony opens the discussion on how the CHAOSS community could improve the contributor experience, and our guests share how the community has evolved and reflects on improvements such as recognizing no-code contributors and how the tour guide system has been helpful for onboarding newcomers to the community.
\n\n[00:27:02] Harmony wraps up by commending the community’s efforts to consistently improve the onboarding process for newcomers.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelist:
\nHarmony Elendu
Guests:
\n\nPrecious Abubakar
\n\nGloria Johnson
\n\nMaryblessing Okolie
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSpecial Guests: Gloria Johnson, Maryblessing Okolie, and Precious Abubakar.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu is joined by members of the CHAOSS Africa community, Precious Abubakar, Gloria Johnson, and Maryblessing Okolie. Join us as they share their personal journeys and experiences contributing to the open-source ecosystem. They also discuss their roles in various CHAOSS projects, including the DEI Badging project, documentation efforts, and the Contributor Covenant. The episode highlights the importance of community support, the challenges and successes in open-source contributions, and suggestions for improving the onboarding process for newcomers. Press download now to hear more! ","date_published":"2024-10-03T05:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/f98c8e77-b4ba-4a37-bbc4-b1798af74e75.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":58580572,"duration_in_seconds":1830}]},{"id":"dbde379b-16b4-43ee-b26d-16541a3e066d","title":"Episode 93: Guest Episode - Sustain meets CHAOSScast to talk about Practitioner Guides","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/93","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast- Episode 93\n\nGuests:\n\nElizabeth Barron\n\nLuis Cañas-Diaz\n\nDawn Foster\n\nPanelists:\n\nAlice Sowerby\n\nRichard Littauer\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, it’s a crossover with Sustain, host Richard Littauer is joined by three guests, Dawn Foster, Elizabeth Barron, and Luis Cañas Diaz, to discuss the CHAOSS Project's recent development of Practitioner Guides. The show delves into the purpose of these guides, which are designed to help open source projects interpret and utilize metrics to improve community health and sustainability. The guests explain the significance of metrics in open source projects, the challenges of defining and making them accessible, and how the guides can benefit different types of projects, from large corporations to individual developers. Topics covered include the background and format of the guides, specifics on the metrics discussed, and the practical applications and improvements these guides aim to facilitate. Go ahead and download this episode now! \n\n[00:03:03] Dawn fills us in on the connections between the guests and their collective work on the CHAOSS Practitioner Guides. \n\n[00:03:43] The conversation shifts to the specifics of the CHAOSS Project, highlighting the international community involvement and various working groups focusing on different aspects of open source projects like corporate OSPOs, university OSPOs, and diversity and equity initiatives. \n\n[00:05:31] Luis describes the origin and work of Bitergia and its collaboration with CHAOSS Project, particularly in developing tools like Grimoire Lab. \n\n[00:07:17] Richard turns the discussion to the CHAOSS Project’s Practitioner Guides, where Dawn discusses the purpose of the introduction guide in the series, designed to help users understand and apply metrics effectively across various open source contexts.\n\n[00:10:58] There’s a discussion on the format of the guides, emphasizing their accessibility, ethical considerations in data handling, and how they’re designed to be adaptable to different needs. Luis highlights the need for CHAOSS and Bitergia projects to provide actionable insights rather than just more metrics.\n\n[00:13:28] Elizabeth and Dawn explain the broader goal of the guides to not only provide metrics but also helps users interpret and apply these to drive tangible improvements in open source projects. \n\n[00:14:54] We learn about the target audience for the guides and how they cater to both large organizational structures (OSPOs) and individual project maintainers.\n\n[00:16:15] Dawn explains what the Contributor Sustainability Guide focuses on, emphasizing strategies for sustainable contribution and community involvement in open source projects. \n\n[00:17:53] The discussion centers on renaming the “bus factor” metric to “contributor absence factor” to avoid the negative connotations of the original term, Luis emphasizes the relevance of metrics, particularly in small projects, and Dawn explains that the guides focus on a few key metrics per guide, chosen for their ease of understanding and minimal requirement for data collection. \n\n[00:21:58] Richard inquires about the effectiveness of metrics in identifying if a project is on the wrong path, prompting a discussion on the goals of a project and how metrics align with those metrics. Elizabeth and Dawn stress the importance of aligning metrics with project goals and involving project contributors in discussions about what metrics are most relevant. \n\n[00:24:35] The discussion continues with considerations on how metrics should supplement, not replace, expert judgement and involvement in project management. Elizabeth and Richard discuss the potential for projects to start with community growth in mind and the challenges in measuring and guiding such growth. \n\n[00:28:18] The conversation switches to the remaining guides not yet covered, with Richard asking about the guides on Responsiveness and Organizational Participation. Dawn explains the Responsiveness guide, with its focus on key metrics like time to first response, time to close, and change request closure ratio. Elizabeth and Luis share why this is one of their favorite guides. \n\n[00:33:23] We hear about the broader applicability of the guides. Richard questions if the guides are only for corporate-driven projects or if they can serve more relaxed open source environments. Dawn and Luis emphasize that the guides are valuable for a variety of stakeholders, including foundations and volunteers. \n\n[00:35:00] Find out where you can look at the Practitioner Guides online. \n\nQuotes:\n\n[00:07:44] “At the CHAOSS Project we have a whole bunch of metrics, and we have tools or software that help you gather those metrics.”\n\n[00:08:06] “There is no one-size-fits-all approach to interpreting metrics.”\n\n[00:15:10] “A lot of these guides were designed with OSPOs in mind. They’re all useful to anyone who’s managing a project.”\n\n[00:19:55] “For metrics, the bigger the project, the more useful they are.”\n\nSpotlight:\n\n\n[00:35:54] Richard’s spotlight is Johnny Wilson, an eBird reviewer. \n[00:36:34]** Elizabeth’s **spotlight is a project called Clocker. \n[00:37:30] Dawn’s spotlight is Nadia Eghbal’s book, _Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software, _and her paper, “Roads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure.”\n[00:38:29] Luis’s spotlight is Moodle, the OSS learning platform. \n\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS slack\n\nCHAOSS Practitioner Guides\n\nSustainOSS\n\nSustainOSS Discourse\n\npodcast@sustainoss.org\n\nSustainOSS Mastodon\n\nOpen Collective-SustainOSS (Contribute)\n\nRichard Littauer Socials\n\nAlice Sowerby Website\n\nElizabeth Barron Website\n\nElizabeth Barron LinkedIn\n\nLuis Cañas-Diaz Website\n\nLuis Cañas-Diaz LinkedIn\n\nDawn Foster Website\n\nDawn Foster LinkedIn\n\nJohnny Wilson-Ventures Birding Tours\n\nClocker\n\nWorking in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal\n\n“Roads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure” by Nadia Eghbal\n\nNadia Asparouhova (Eghbal) Website\n\nMoodle\n\nSustain Podcast featuring Nadia Eghbal\n\nCredits:\n\n\nProduced by [Richard Littauer] (https://www.burntfen.com/)\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at [Peachtree Sound] (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr [Peachtree Sound] (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)\nSpecial Guests: Luis Cañas-Díaz and Richard Littauer.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast- Episode 93
\n\nGuests:
\n\nElizabeth Barron
\n\nLuis Cañas-Diaz
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nAlice Sowerby
\n\nRichard Littauer
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, it’s a crossover with Sustain, host Richard Littauer is joined by three guests, Dawn Foster, Elizabeth Barron, and Luis Cañas Diaz, to discuss the CHAOSS Project's recent development of Practitioner Guides. The show delves into the purpose of these guides, which are designed to help open source projects interpret and utilize metrics to improve community health and sustainability. The guests explain the significance of metrics in open source projects, the challenges of defining and making them accessible, and how the guides can benefit different types of projects, from large corporations to individual developers. Topics covered include the background and format of the guides, specifics on the metrics discussed, and the practical applications and improvements these guides aim to facilitate. Go ahead and download this episode now!
\n\n[00:03:03] Dawn fills us in on the connections between the guests and their collective work on the CHAOSS Practitioner Guides.
\n\n[00:03:43] The conversation shifts to the specifics of the CHAOSS Project, highlighting the international community involvement and various working groups focusing on different aspects of open source projects like corporate OSPOs, university OSPOs, and diversity and equity initiatives.
\n\n[00:05:31] Luis describes the origin and work of Bitergia and its collaboration with CHAOSS Project, particularly in developing tools like Grimoire Lab.
\n\n[00:07:17] Richard turns the discussion to the CHAOSS Project’s Practitioner Guides, where Dawn discusses the purpose of the introduction guide in the series, designed to help users understand and apply metrics effectively across various open source contexts.
\n\n[00:10:58] There’s a discussion on the format of the guides, emphasizing their accessibility, ethical considerations in data handling, and how they’re designed to be adaptable to different needs. Luis highlights the need for CHAOSS and Bitergia projects to provide actionable insights rather than just more metrics.
\n\n[00:13:28] Elizabeth and Dawn explain the broader goal of the guides to not only provide metrics but also helps users interpret and apply these to drive tangible improvements in open source projects.
\n\n[00:14:54] We learn about the target audience for the guides and how they cater to both large organizational structures (OSPOs) and individual project maintainers.
\n\n[00:16:15] Dawn explains what the Contributor Sustainability Guide focuses on, emphasizing strategies for sustainable contribution and community involvement in open source projects.
\n\n[00:17:53] The discussion centers on renaming the “bus factor” metric to “contributor absence factor” to avoid the negative connotations of the original term, Luis emphasizes the relevance of metrics, particularly in small projects, and Dawn explains that the guides focus on a few key metrics per guide, chosen for their ease of understanding and minimal requirement for data collection.
\n\n[00:21:58] Richard inquires about the effectiveness of metrics in identifying if a project is on the wrong path, prompting a discussion on the goals of a project and how metrics align with those metrics. Elizabeth and Dawn stress the importance of aligning metrics with project goals and involving project contributors in discussions about what metrics are most relevant.
\n\n[00:24:35] The discussion continues with considerations on how metrics should supplement, not replace, expert judgement and involvement in project management. Elizabeth and Richard discuss the potential for projects to start with community growth in mind and the challenges in measuring and guiding such growth.
\n\n[00:28:18] The conversation switches to the remaining guides not yet covered, with Richard asking about the guides on Responsiveness and Organizational Participation. Dawn explains the Responsiveness guide, with its focus on key metrics like time to first response, time to close, and change request closure ratio. Elizabeth and Luis share why this is one of their favorite guides.
\n\n[00:33:23] We hear about the broader applicability of the guides. Richard questions if the guides are only for corporate-driven projects or if they can serve more relaxed open source environments. Dawn and Luis emphasize that the guides are valuable for a variety of stakeholders, including foundations and volunteers.
\n\n[00:35:00] Find out where you can look at the Practitioner Guides online.
\n\nQuotes:
\n\n[00:07:44] “At the CHAOSS Project we have a whole bunch of metrics, and we have tools or software that help you gather those metrics.”
\n\n[00:08:06] “There is no one-size-fits-all approach to interpreting metrics.”
\n\n[00:15:10] “A lot of these guides were designed with OSPOs in mind. They’re all useful to anyone who’s managing a project.”
\n\n[00:19:55] “For metrics, the bigger the project, the more useful they are.”
\n\nSpotlight:
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOpen Collective-SustainOSS (Contribute)
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nJohnny Wilson-Ventures Birding Tours
\n\n\n\nWorking in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal
\n\n“Roads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure” by Nadia Eghbal
\n\nNadia Asparouhova (Eghbal) Website
\n\n\n\nSustain Podcast featuring Nadia Eghbal
\n\nCredits:
\n\nProduced by [Richard Littauer] (https://www.burntfen.com/)
Edited by Paul M. Bahr at [Peachtree Sound] (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Show notes by DeAnn Bahr [Peachtree Sound] (https://www.peachtreesound.com/)
Special Guests: Luis Cañas-Díaz and Richard Littauer.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, it’s a crossover with Sustain, host Richard Littauer is joined by three guests, Dawn Foster, Elizabeth Barron, and Luis Cañas Diaz, to discuss the CHAOSS Project's recent development of Practitioner Guides. The show delves into the purpose of these guides, which are designed to help open source projects interpret and utilize metrics to improve community health and sustainability. The guests explain the significance of metrics in open source projects, the challenges of defining and making them accessible, and how the guides can benefit different types of projects, from large corporations to individual developers. Topics covered include the background and format of the guides, specifics on the metrics discussed, and the practical applications and improvements these guides aim to facilitate. Go ahead and download this episode now! ","date_published":"2024-09-19T05:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/dbde379b-16b4-43ee-b26d-16541a3e066d.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":77214432,"duration_in_seconds":2412}]},{"id":"3d08478c-827e-49c0-bbee-a44d6a9d8be9","title":"Episode 92: ISO Standards for Open Source Community Health Metrics","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/92","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 92\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Alice Sowerby is joined by Sean Goggins, Georg Link, and guest Divya Mohan, to discuss the importance and process of establishing ISO standards for open source community health metrics. The panel delves into how ISO standards ensure interoperability and aid in establishing credible industry practices. They highlight existing ISO standards in open source and share how these efforts are being translated into the CHAOSS Project's metrics, particularly focusing on security and community activity. The conversation includes insights on the current state of the project, the feedback process, and how interested individuals can get involved. Press download to hear more!\n\n[00:02:47] Georg explains ISO standards as international standards ensuring interoperability and formalizing metrics and highlights the transition from CHAOSS Project’s defacto standards to ISO standards for broader adoption and formal recognition.\n\n[00:04:45] Sean adds that ISO standards help communicate quality in manufacturing and software processes, making it relevant for enterprises engaged in open source.\n\n[00:05:46] Sean and Georg discuss existing ISO standards in the open source sphere, including SPDX and OpenChain. Divya Mentions the ongoing development of the Security Assurance Specification by the OpenChain Project. \n\n[00:08:54] Sean describes how the idea of creating an ISO standard based on CHAOSS Project metrics began with discussions with Asian Pacific members and their manufacturing contexts. \n\n[00:09:45] Divya explains how the process of creating an ISO standard involves rigorous feedback and adjustments, affecting how metrics and documentation are shaped, and she elaborates on the feedback process. \n\n[00:12:22] Georg highlights the importance of feedback in the ISO standardization process and the additional rigor and format required compared to the CHAOSS Project’s current metrics. \n\n[00:14:10] Georg updates the projects progress which involves two drafts (security and community activity metrics) that are in development, Sean mentions the reliance on the Joint Development Foundation (JDF) for guidance and expertise in navigating the ISO standardization process, and Divya explains how people can contribute. \n\n[00:16:47] Alice highlights areas where help is needed, particularly from those with ISO standards experience and input on security and community activity metrics. \n\n[00:17:18] Sean emphasizes that anyone with an interest in CHAOSS metrics or ISO standards could contribute by refining and formalizing existing metrics. \n\n[00:18:11] Georg introduces the security ISO standard draft which includes Introduction to scope, Conformance requirements, Terms and definitions, and Summary of requirements. \n\n[00:21:32] Alice notes that the community activity draft is less developed but invites people to review and contribute, and Georg explains the community activity metrics focus on: Activity levels, Number of contributors, and Number of organizations involved. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:23:04] Alice’s pick is the NHS.\n[00:23:26] Georg’s pick is physical therapy for recovering the use of his arm.\n[00:24:17] Sean’s pick is planning a documentary.\n[00:25:59] Divya’s pick is pottery making. \n\n\nPanelists:\nAlice Sowerby\nGeorg Link\nSean Goggins\n\nGuest:\nDivya Mohan\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nAlice Sowerby Website\n\nSean Goggins X/Twitter\n\nDivya Mohan X/Twitter\n\nDivya Mohan Website\n\nDivya Mohan LinkedIn\n\nMeeting Invite for the CHAOSS ISO Standards Meeting\n\nMetric Model: Community Activity\n\nISO standard for OSS Project Viability (security) draft\n\nJoint Development Foundation\n\nNHSSpecial Guest: Divya Mohan.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 92
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Alice Sowerby is joined by Sean Goggins, Georg Link, and guest Divya Mohan, to discuss the importance and process of establishing ISO standards for open source community health metrics. The panel delves into how ISO standards ensure interoperability and aid in establishing credible industry practices. They highlight existing ISO standards in open source and share how these efforts are being translated into the CHAOSS Project's metrics, particularly focusing on security and community activity. The conversation includes insights on the current state of the project, the feedback process, and how interested individuals can get involved. Press download to hear more!
\n\n[00:02:47] Georg explains ISO standards as international standards ensuring interoperability and formalizing metrics and highlights the transition from CHAOSS Project’s defacto standards to ISO standards for broader adoption and formal recognition.
\n\n[00:04:45] Sean adds that ISO standards help communicate quality in manufacturing and software processes, making it relevant for enterprises engaged in open source.
\n\n[00:05:46] Sean and Georg discuss existing ISO standards in the open source sphere, including SPDX and OpenChain. Divya Mentions the ongoing development of the Security Assurance Specification by the OpenChain Project.
\n\n[00:08:54] Sean describes how the idea of creating an ISO standard based on CHAOSS Project metrics began with discussions with Asian Pacific members and their manufacturing contexts.
\n\n[00:09:45] Divya explains how the process of creating an ISO standard involves rigorous feedback and adjustments, affecting how metrics and documentation are shaped, and she elaborates on the feedback process.
\n\n[00:12:22] Georg highlights the importance of feedback in the ISO standardization process and the additional rigor and format required compared to the CHAOSS Project’s current metrics.
\n\n[00:14:10] Georg updates the projects progress which involves two drafts (security and community activity metrics) that are in development, Sean mentions the reliance on the Joint Development Foundation (JDF) for guidance and expertise in navigating the ISO standardization process, and Divya explains how people can contribute.
\n\n[00:16:47] Alice highlights areas where help is needed, particularly from those with ISO standards experience and input on security and community activity metrics.
\n\n[00:17:18] Sean emphasizes that anyone with an interest in CHAOSS metrics or ISO standards could contribute by refining and formalizing existing metrics.
\n\n[00:18:11] Georg introduces the security ISO standard draft which includes Introduction to scope, Conformance requirements, Terms and definitions, and Summary of requirements.
\n\n[00:21:32] Alice notes that the community activity draft is less developed but invites people to review and contribute, and Georg explains the community activity metrics focus on: Activity levels, Number of contributors, and Number of organizations involved.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\nAlice Sowerby
\nGeorg Link
\nSean Goggins
Guest:
\nDivya Mohan
Links:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMeeting Invite for the CHAOSS ISO Standards Meeting
\n\nMetric Model: Community Activity
\n\nISO standard for OSS Project Viability (security) draft
\n\n\n\nSpecial Guest: Divya Mohan.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Alice Sowerby is joined by Sean Goggins, Georg Link, and guest Divya Mohan, to discuss the importance and process of establishing ISO standards for open source community health metrics. The panel delves into how ISO standards ensure interoperability and aid in establishing credible industry practices. They highlight existing ISO standards in open source and share how these efforts are being translated into the CHAOSS Project's metrics, particularly focusing on security and community activity. The conversation includes insights on the current state of the project, the feedback process, and how interested individuals can get involved. Press download to hear more!","date_published":"2024-09-05T05:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/3d08478c-827e-49c0-bbee-a44d6a9d8be9.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":55079406,"duration_in_seconds":1721}]},{"id":"204d2d69-8320-4815-9999-c7b8eb1adb88","title":"Episode 91: Red Hat OSPO: Contextual Community Analytics and the AI Hype Cycle","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/91","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 91\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Matt Germonprez is joined by Red Hat's Senior Data Scientist Cali Dolfi and Community Architect Josh Berkus to discuss their experiences in measuring and maintaining open source community health. They delve into their day-to-day roles, challenges, and key projects like Project Aspen, the importance of contextual metrics, and the impact of generative AI on their work. Also, they emphasize the importance of goal-oriented metrics and establishing repeatable processes in OSPOs. Press download to hear much more! \n\n[00:00:40] Cali and Josh share their backgrounds.\n\n[00:02:02] Cali talks about her work as a data scientist at Red Hat, focusing on community open source metrics and mentions her recent projects, including Project Aspen, and her role in developing platforms for data visualization and metrics. \n\n[00:04:34] Josh discusses his day-to-day responsibilities which include stewarding Red Hat’s involvement in cloud native projects and committee work with the Cloud Native Computing Foundation.\n\n[00:06:17] The discussion shifts towards the health of collections of projects or ecosystems and Cali and Josh share their thoughts on how they approach ecosystem health, particularly with the cloud native space. Josh focuses on Kubernetes and its connection to various projects.\n\n[00:09:17] Matt questions if Red Hat often plays a stabilizing role within these ecosystems, especially in times of crisis or instability. \n\n[00:10:29] Cali discusses current hot topics in open source community health at Red Hat, focusing on SBOM (Software Bill of Materials) analysis and its implications for security and maintenance within the tech industry. They discuss the importance of understanding vulnerabilities within open source projects and the role of maintainers in mitigating these vulnerabilities. \n\n[00:14:51] Matt asks about identifying vulnerabilities in upstream projects and notes the challenges of visibility due to numerous projects. Cali explains their approach of analyzing the entire codebase, using visualizations on the ‘8not dashboard’ to monitor active maintainers in different project areas.\n\n[00:16:43] Josh discusses mainstream tooling focused on known vulnerabilities and emphasizes the need to predict future vulnerabilities. \n\n[00:19:16] Matt inquires about handling the variability and contextual specificity of metrics across numerous projects. Cali discusses the importance of contextual understanding in interpreting data and metrics, emphasizing the need for community involvement to enrich the interpretation. Josh argues that improving data collection methods to incorporate contextual knowledge is crucial, aiming to shift some analytical responsibilities from humans to algorithms. \n\n[00:24:19] A discussion starts on the role of generative AI in current tech, prompting Cali to reflect on the impact of AI hype cycles on resource allocation within the industry. Josh acknowledges that while some open source machine learning tools have benefited from increased resources due to the AI wave, the introduction of generative AI in community projects has often been problematic.\n\n[00:30:03] The conversation shifts back to the challenge of AI-generated contributions to open source projects. Josh and Matt discuss the potential need for Red Hat’s Open Source Program Office (OSPO) to adapt its analytics and policies to manage the influx of such contributions. \n\n[00:31:35] We close with Cali offering advice to new OSPOs on setting up robust data analysis infrastructures from the start, and Josh reinforces the need for goal-oriented metrics and processes advising OSPOs to design operations that are sustainable and scalable. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:34:52] Matt’s pick is being a wildflower gardener.\n[00:35:24] Josh’s pick is being a vegetable gardener.\n[00:36:20] Cali’s pick is the Big Brother show being back on.\n\n\nPanelist:\nMatt Germonprez\n\nGuests:\n\nJosh Berkus\n\nCali Dolfi\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nMatt Germonprez X/Twitter\n\nJosh Berkus Website\n\nJosh Berkus Mastodon\n\nCali Dolfi LinkedIn\n\nCali Dolfi- Red Hat Research Quarterly \n\nRed Hat\n\nProject Aspen-GitHub\n\nUS Government Proposes SBOM Rules for ContractorsSpecial Guests: Cali Dolfi and Josh Berkus.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 91
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Matt Germonprez is joined by Red Hat's Senior Data Scientist Cali Dolfi and Community Architect Josh Berkus to discuss their experiences in measuring and maintaining open source community health. They delve into their day-to-day roles, challenges, and key projects like Project Aspen, the importance of contextual metrics, and the impact of generative AI on their work. Also, they emphasize the importance of goal-oriented metrics and establishing repeatable processes in OSPOs. Press download to hear much more!
\n\n[00:00:40] Cali and Josh share their backgrounds.
\n\n[00:02:02] Cali talks about her work as a data scientist at Red Hat, focusing on community open source metrics and mentions her recent projects, including Project Aspen, and her role in developing platforms for data visualization and metrics.
\n\n[00:04:34] Josh discusses his day-to-day responsibilities which include stewarding Red Hat’s involvement in cloud native projects and committee work with the Cloud Native Computing Foundation.
\n\n[00:06:17] The discussion shifts towards the health of collections of projects or ecosystems and Cali and Josh share their thoughts on how they approach ecosystem health, particularly with the cloud native space. Josh focuses on Kubernetes and its connection to various projects.
\n\n[00:09:17] Matt questions if Red Hat often plays a stabilizing role within these ecosystems, especially in times of crisis or instability.
\n\n[00:10:29] Cali discusses current hot topics in open source community health at Red Hat, focusing on SBOM (Software Bill of Materials) analysis and its implications for security and maintenance within the tech industry. They discuss the importance of understanding vulnerabilities within open source projects and the role of maintainers in mitigating these vulnerabilities.
\n\n[00:14:51] Matt asks about identifying vulnerabilities in upstream projects and notes the challenges of visibility due to numerous projects. Cali explains their approach of analyzing the entire codebase, using visualizations on the ‘8not dashboard’ to monitor active maintainers in different project areas.
\n\n[00:16:43] Josh discusses mainstream tooling focused on known vulnerabilities and emphasizes the need to predict future vulnerabilities.
\n\n[00:19:16] Matt inquires about handling the variability and contextual specificity of metrics across numerous projects. Cali discusses the importance of contextual understanding in interpreting data and metrics, emphasizing the need for community involvement to enrich the interpretation. Josh argues that improving data collection methods to incorporate contextual knowledge is crucial, aiming to shift some analytical responsibilities from humans to algorithms.
\n\n[00:24:19] A discussion starts on the role of generative AI in current tech, prompting Cali to reflect on the impact of AI hype cycles on resource allocation within the industry. Josh acknowledges that while some open source machine learning tools have benefited from increased resources due to the AI wave, the introduction of generative AI in community projects has often been problematic.
\n\n[00:30:03] The conversation shifts back to the challenge of AI-generated contributions to open source projects. Josh and Matt discuss the potential need for Red Hat’s Open Source Program Office (OSPO) to adapt its analytics and policies to manage the influx of such contributions.
\n\n[00:31:35] We close with Cali offering advice to new OSPOs on setting up robust data analysis infrastructures from the start, and Josh reinforces the need for goal-oriented metrics and processes advising OSPOs to design operations that are sustainable and scalable.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelist:
\nMatt Germonprez
Guests:
\n\nJosh Berkus
\n\nCali Dolfi
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCali Dolfi- Red Hat Research Quarterly
\n\n\n\n\n\nUS Government Proposes SBOM Rules for Contractors
Special Guests: Cali Dolfi and Josh Berkus.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Matt Germonprez is joined by Red Hat's Senior Data Scientist Cali Dolfi and Community Architect Josh Berkus to discuss their experiences in measuring and maintaining open source community health. They delve into their day-to-day roles, challenges, and key projects like Project Aspen, the importance of contextual metrics, and the impact of generative AI on their work. Also, they emphasize the importance of goal-oriented metrics and establishing repeatable processes in OSPOs. Press download to hear much more! ","date_published":"2024-08-22T05:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/204d2d69-8320-4815-9999-c7b8eb1adb88.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":72285415,"duration_in_seconds":2258}]},{"id":"8286387b-14ab-4a5c-8913-7f61b4f70e70","title":"Episode 90: 20min in CHAOSS Africa with Victoria and Kingsley","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/90","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 90\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu welcomes guests Kingsley Mkpandiok and Victoria Ottah from CHAOSS Africa. They share their unique encounters with open source, from reading articles and attending events to making their first contributions. They discuss the importance of community engagement, the valuable skills they've developed, and the significance of diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility in their work. The episode highlights how volunteering and active participation in open source not only benefits the community but also enhances personal growth and networking opportunities. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:00:34] Kingsley and Victoria introduce themselves and tell us about their backgrounds.\n\n[00:02:48] Kingsley describes how he engaged with open source through a LinkedIn post by Ruth Ikegah, which led to his involvement with CHAOSS. Victoria tells us how she was initially hesitant as a non-code contributor, but she was inspired by a designer at the OSCA fest event, leading her to active contributions in design for open source. \n\n[00:05:29] Harmony’s personal onboarding experience was being influenced by social media posts and personal onboarding by Ruth Ikegah in open source, while Adeyinka Oresanya started his first contribution through documentation in CHAOSS.\n\n[00:06:34] There’s a discussion on how initial contributions to CHAOSS Africa was like as Kingsley explains his first project involved a flyer design for a Twitter space, and Victoria’s debut was on the DI badging UI along with other minor contributions. \n\n[00:09:50] Harmony stresses the importance of attending meetings as part of contributing to the open source community and highlights the significance of onboarding parties hosted by CHAOSS, which are crucial for new contributors. \n\n[00:12:07] The conversation switches to reflections on experiences within the open source community. Kingsley values the community aspect of open source most, sharing how it’s led to friendships and collaborative opportunities, and Victoria discusses how open source has been instrumental in teaching her patience and improving her interpersonal skills. \n\n[00:16:28] Harmony ranks CHAOSS Africa as his top three communities due to its supportive and effective management and appreciates the efforts of community managers and facilitators. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:17:27] Harmony’s pick is volunteering as being the best way to wait for your next opportunity while getting better at something. \n[00:18:07] Kingsley’s pick is if you are going to spend time doing a piece of work, do it as well as possible.\n[00:18:38] Victoria’s pick is incorporating diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility (DEI) in everything.\n\n\nQuote:\n\n[00:14:09] “To improve your experience, open source is the place to start.”\n\nPanelist:\nHarmony Elendu\n\nGuests:\n\nKingsley Mkpandiok\n\nVictoria Ottah\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nHarmony Elendu X/Twitter\n\nHarmony Elendu Substack\n\nKingsley Mkpandiok Medium\n\nKingsley Mkpandiok X/Twitter\n\nKingsley Mkpandiok LinkedIn\n\nVictoria Ottah Medium\n\nVictoria Ottah X/Twitter\n\nVictoria Ottah LinkedIn\n\nRuth Ikegah X/Twitter\n\nOpen Source Community Africa (OSCA)\n\nCHAOSS Africa-GitHub\n\nCHAOSS Project Africa X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSS Africa-Open Collective \n\nCHAOSS Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Working Group-GitHubSpecial Guests: Kingsley Mkpandiok and Victoria Ottah.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 90
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu welcomes guests Kingsley Mkpandiok and Victoria Ottah from CHAOSS Africa. They share their unique encounters with open source, from reading articles and attending events to making their first contributions. They discuss the importance of community engagement, the valuable skills they've developed, and the significance of diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility in their work. The episode highlights how volunteering and active participation in open source not only benefits the community but also enhances personal growth and networking opportunities. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:00:34] Kingsley and Victoria introduce themselves and tell us about their backgrounds.
\n\n[00:02:48] Kingsley describes how he engaged with open source through a LinkedIn post by Ruth Ikegah, which led to his involvement with CHAOSS. Victoria tells us how she was initially hesitant as a non-code contributor, but she was inspired by a designer at the OSCA fest event, leading her to active contributions in design for open source.
\n\n[00:05:29] Harmony’s personal onboarding experience was being influenced by social media posts and personal onboarding by Ruth Ikegah in open source, while Adeyinka Oresanya started his first contribution through documentation in CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:06:34] There’s a discussion on how initial contributions to CHAOSS Africa was like as Kingsley explains his first project involved a flyer design for a Twitter space, and Victoria’s debut was on the DI badging UI along with other minor contributions.
\n\n[00:09:50] Harmony stresses the importance of attending meetings as part of contributing to the open source community and highlights the significance of onboarding parties hosted by CHAOSS, which are crucial for new contributors.
\n\n[00:12:07] The conversation switches to reflections on experiences within the open source community. Kingsley values the community aspect of open source most, sharing how it’s led to friendships and collaborative opportunities, and Victoria discusses how open source has been instrumental in teaching her patience and improving her interpersonal skills.
\n\n[00:16:28] Harmony ranks CHAOSS Africa as his top three communities due to its supportive and effective management and appreciates the efforts of community managers and facilitators.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nQuote:
\n\n[00:14:09] “To improve your experience, open source is the place to start.”
\n\nPanelist:
\nHarmony Elendu
Guests:
\n\nKingsley Mkpandiok
\n\nVictoria Ottah
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOpen Source Community Africa (OSCA)
\n\n\n\nCHAOSS Project Africa X/Twitter
\n\n\n\nCHAOSS Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Working Group-GitHub
Special Guests: Kingsley Mkpandiok and Victoria Ottah.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Harmony Elendu welcomes guests Kingsley Mkpandiok and Victoria Ottah from CHAOSS Africa. They share their unique encounters with open source, from reading articles and attending events to making their first contributions. They discuss the importance of community engagement, the valuable skills they've developed, and the significance of diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility in their work. The episode highlights how volunteering and active participation in open source not only benefits the community but also enhances personal growth and networking opportunities. Press download now to hear more! ","date_published":"2024-08-08T05:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/8286387b-14ab-4a5c-8913-7f61b4f70e70.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":39206978,"duration_in_seconds":1215}]},{"id":"c81938a5-d5a8-47ab-b3bf-59167a1d7c40","title":"Episode 89: Practitioner Guides: #3 Organizational Participation","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/89","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 89\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSSCast, host Alice Sowerby is joined by panelists Dawn Foster, Elizabeth Barron, and Harmony Elendu, to discuss the importance and complexities of organizational participation in open source projects. They delve into how the CHAOSS Practitioner Guides help users make sense of CHAOSS metrics and provide insights on improving open source project health. The conversation covers the significance of diverse organizational participation, the role of community managers, and the challenges of accurately measuring organizational contributions. Additionally, they highlight tools like Augur and Grimoire Lab that aid in data collection and analysis as well as offer practical advice for both individuals and companies to foster healthier, more inclusive open source communities. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:01:50] Dawn gives an overview of the Practitioner Guides that aim to help users navigate the extensive metrics from the CHAOSS Project. They focus on single topics to improve open source project health by making data more accessible. \n\n[00:03:19] Why is the Practitioner Guide so important? Dawn explains that organizational participation impacts open source projects’ evolution and Elizabeth makes a point that measuring organizational influence is complex and often not straightforward.\n\n[00:05:40] There’s a discussion on the key factors in organizational participation. Dawn talks about ideal projects having diverse contributors from various organizations, and Elizabeth talks about leadership roles within the project, such as technical steering committee positions that are crucial. \n\n[00:09:49] We learn about the problems that people discover and the solutions to resolve the problems as Dawn explains how they’ve broken down the make improvements section into two different categories. Elizabeth explains how leadership roles within the project, such as technical steering committee positions, are crucial. \n\n[00:12:37] Alice mentions if a project is not crucial for an organization’s control, donating to a foundation, like CNCF, can be beneficial for wider adoption and support. Dawn adds that donating a project to a foundation can help if the goal is community growth and projects should not be donated merely for marketing purposes. \n\n[00:14:24] There’s a conversation on how community managers can help facilitate transparency and encourage open contributions rather that keeping discussions and decisions private within the dominant organization, and they can ensure that onboarding experiences, documentation, and community building are prioritized.\n\n[00:17:24] Harmony talks about the impact of organizational dominance when one organization dominates a project, it can reduce the project’s openness and health and increasing opportunities for external contributions can enhance diversity and inclusion.\n\n[00:19:20] The conversation shifts to challenges in measuring metrics and Elizabeth explains cleaning and maintaining accurate data on contributors is challenging due to issues with email addresses and personal vs. organizational contributions. Dawn tells us about the CNCF using YAML or JSON files to track organizational affiliations and update contributor data, but it requires manual effort to keep this information accurate.\n\n[00:23:57 ] Alice brings up limitations of metrics since metrics alone don’t provide a complete picture, and Elizabeth shares how metrics should be used alongside insights from practitioners and combining metrics with intuition and observing the project directly provides a better overview. \n\n[00:25:22] Dawn mentions to accurately assess project leadership and contributions, it’s important to talk to people involved since not all leadership roles and contributions are reflected in metrics or governance documents. \n\n[00:26:29] Elizabeth inquires if any projects require contributors to fill out profiles indicating if they are contributing personally or on behalf of their company. Dawn explains that she hasn’t seen projects require contribution profiles as a prerequisite, and tools like Augur and Grimoire Lab, with its Sorting Hat feature, help manage and clean organizational data. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:29:13] Dawn’s pick is going on vacation to visit her family. \n[00:29:38] Elizabeth’s pick is making mead with her grown son.\n[00:30:27] Harmony’s pick is reaching out to old friends to make you smile. \n[00:31:22] Alice’s pick is Dot, an AI companion app.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\nAlice Sowerby\n\nDawn Foster\n\nElizabeth Barron\n\nHarmony Elendu\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nAlice Sowerby Website\n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nElizabeth Barron X/Twitter\n\nHarmony Elendu X/Twitter\n\nHarmony Elendu Substack\n\nHarmony Elendu LinkedIn\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 85- Introducing CHAOSS Practitioner Guides: #1 Responsiveness\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 88-Practitioner Guides: #2 Contributor Sustainability\n\nCHAOSS- Practitioner Guide: Organizational Participation\n\nAugur\n\nGrimoire Lab: Sorting Hat\n\nThe Elder Scrolls: The Official Cookbook by Chelsea Monroe-Cassel\n\nDot ","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 89
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSSCast, host Alice Sowerby is joined by panelists Dawn Foster, Elizabeth Barron, and Harmony Elendu, to discuss the importance and complexities of organizational participation in open source projects. They delve into how the CHAOSS Practitioner Guides help users make sense of CHAOSS metrics and provide insights on improving open source project health. The conversation covers the significance of diverse organizational participation, the role of community managers, and the challenges of accurately measuring organizational contributions. Additionally, they highlight tools like Augur and Grimoire Lab that aid in data collection and analysis as well as offer practical advice for both individuals and companies to foster healthier, more inclusive open source communities. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:01:50] Dawn gives an overview of the Practitioner Guides that aim to help users navigate the extensive metrics from the CHAOSS Project. They focus on single topics to improve open source project health by making data more accessible.
\n\n[00:03:19] Why is the Practitioner Guide so important? Dawn explains that organizational participation impacts open source projects’ evolution and Elizabeth makes a point that measuring organizational influence is complex and often not straightforward.
\n\n[00:05:40] There’s a discussion on the key factors in organizational participation. Dawn talks about ideal projects having diverse contributors from various organizations, and Elizabeth talks about leadership roles within the project, such as technical steering committee positions that are crucial.
\n\n[00:09:49] We learn about the problems that people discover and the solutions to resolve the problems as Dawn explains how they’ve broken down the make improvements section into two different categories. Elizabeth explains how leadership roles within the project, such as technical steering committee positions, are crucial.
\n\n[00:12:37] Alice mentions if a project is not crucial for an organization’s control, donating to a foundation, like CNCF, can be beneficial for wider adoption and support. Dawn adds that donating a project to a foundation can help if the goal is community growth and projects should not be donated merely for marketing purposes.
\n\n[00:14:24] There’s a conversation on how community managers can help facilitate transparency and encourage open contributions rather that keeping discussions and decisions private within the dominant organization, and they can ensure that onboarding experiences, documentation, and community building are prioritized.
\n\n[00:17:24] Harmony talks about the impact of organizational dominance when one organization dominates a project, it can reduce the project’s openness and health and increasing opportunities for external contributions can enhance diversity and inclusion.
\n\n[00:19:20] The conversation shifts to challenges in measuring metrics and Elizabeth explains cleaning and maintaining accurate data on contributors is challenging due to issues with email addresses and personal vs. organizational contributions. Dawn tells us about the CNCF using YAML or JSON files to track organizational affiliations and update contributor data, but it requires manual effort to keep this information accurate.
\n\n[00:23:57 ] Alice brings up limitations of metrics since metrics alone don’t provide a complete picture, and Elizabeth shares how metrics should be used alongside insights from practitioners and combining metrics with intuition and observing the project directly provides a better overview.
\n\n[00:25:22] Dawn mentions to accurately assess project leadership and contributions, it’s important to talk to people involved since not all leadership roles and contributions are reflected in metrics or governance documents.
\n\n[00:26:29] Elizabeth inquires if any projects require contributors to fill out profiles indicating if they are contributing personally or on behalf of their company. Dawn explains that she hasn’t seen projects require contribution profiles as a prerequisite, and tools like Augur and Grimoire Lab, with its Sorting Hat feature, help manage and clean organizational data.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nAlice Sowerby
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nElizabeth Barron
\n\nHarmony Elendu
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 85- Introducing CHAOSS Practitioner Guides: #1 Responsiveness
\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 88-Practitioner Guides: #2 Contributor Sustainability
\n\nCHAOSS- Practitioner Guide: Organizational Participation
\n\n\n\n\n\nThe Elder Scrolls: The Official Cookbook by Chelsea Monroe-Cassel
\n\n","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSSCast, host Alice Sowerby is joined by panelists Dawn Foster, Elizabeth Barron, and Harmony Elendu, to discuss the importance and complexities of organizational participation in open source projects. They delve into how the CHAOSS Practitioner Guides help users make sense of CHAOSS metrics and provide insights on improving open source project health. The conversation covers the significance of diverse organizational participation, the role of community managers, and the challenges of accurately measuring organizational contributions. Additionally, they highlight tools like Augur and Grimoire Lab that aid in data collection and analysis as well as offer practical advice for both individuals and companies to foster healthier, more inclusive open source communities. Press download now to hear more! ","date_published":"2024-07-25T02:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/c81938a5-d5a8-47ab-b3bf-59167a1d7c40.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":62251255,"duration_in_seconds":1945}]},{"id":"6c620428-ce4b-4c6a-972a-e30ab2140a6a","title":"Episode 88: Practitioner Guides: #2 Contributor Sustainability","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/88","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 88\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSSScast, host Alice Sowerby, along with Dawn Foster and Elizabeth Barron, discuss measuring and improving open source community health through contributor sustainability. The conversation highlights the importance of documentation, the balance of contributor roles, and proactive community building. They share insights and examples on how projects can avoid single points of failure, the significance of onboarding processes, and the impact of asking for help. The discussion also underscores the human aspects of open source contributions and provides practical strategies for long-term project viability. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:02:11] Dawn explains that practitioner guides are designed for non-experts to help interpret data on open source projects, highlighting the overwhelming amount of data involved. \n\n[00:03:24] Dawn mentions the first four practitioner guides, including an introductory guide, and specific guides on contributor sustainability, responsiveness, and organizational participation. \n\n[00:04:14] Alice asks why contributor sustainability is so important, to which Dawn responds that it significantly impacts overall project sustainability. She references the xkcd dependency comic to illustrate the vulnerability of projects reliant on few contributors.\n\n[00:05:41] Elizabeth notes the increasing awareness of proactive approach towards ensuring contributor sustainability in open source. \n\n[00:06:33] Dawn discusses specific metrics like the contributor absence factor, emphasizing the importance of a balanced contributor base. She shares a story about a Java project stalling due to the sole maintainer’s incarceration. \n\n[00:08:50] There’s a discussion about the importance of recognizing diverse contributions beyond code, such as community management and documentation. Dawn highlights the efficiency that professional roles can bring to these areas. \n\n[00:11:39] Elizabeth shares concerns about a specific open source project with a large user base but limited active contributors, highlighting the risks involved. Dawn briefly mentions the structure of the practitioner guides, particularly focusing on the steps for making improvements in project sustainability. \n\n[00:15:57] Elizabeth emphasizes the importance of making documentation not only informative but also welcoming, and Dawn suggests ways to make contributions easier. \n\n[00:18:43] Elizabeth highlights the value of recognition in open source communities, Dawn discusses the idea of expanding roles within projects beyond the binary of contributors and maintainers, and there’s a discussion on the importance of distributing work among several people to avoid over-reliance on a single contributor. \n\n[00:21:55] Dawn shares that improving contributor sustainability is a long-term effort and suggests staring with areas that can make the biggest impact. Elizabeth reflects on the psychological aspect of maintainers having to share control of projects, which can be challenging but is necessary for project growth and sustainability. \n\n[00:27:39] Elizabeth expresses a desire to see more open source projects include community building or growth as a deliberate part of their roadmaps, and Dawn encourages feedback on the practitioner guides to improve them, highlighting the importance of community input in enhancing these resources. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:29:52] Alice’s pick is a paper she recently read on “Dark matter could be primordial black holes,” and a discovery by the Francis Crick Institute in London of a biological pathway that’s a major driver of IBD.\n[00:31:21] Dawn’s pick is re-watching “Friends” TV show. \n[00:31:52] Elizabeth’s pick is watching “Lord of the Rings Trilogy” at the movie theatre. \n\n\nPanelists:\nAlice Sowerby\n\nDawn Foster\n\nElizabeth Barron\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community-email \n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nAlice Sowerby Website\n\nElizabeth Barron X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 85: Introducing CHAOSS Practitioner Guides: #1 Responsiveness\n\nPractitioner Guide: Contributor Sustainability-CHAOSS\n\nxkcd-Dependency \n\nColorful Primordial Black Holes\n\nIBD Breakthrough","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 88
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSSScast, host Alice Sowerby, along with Dawn Foster and Elizabeth Barron, discuss measuring and improving open source community health through contributor sustainability. The conversation highlights the importance of documentation, the balance of contributor roles, and proactive community building. They share insights and examples on how projects can avoid single points of failure, the significance of onboarding processes, and the impact of asking for help. The discussion also underscores the human aspects of open source contributions and provides practical strategies for long-term project viability. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:02:11] Dawn explains that practitioner guides are designed for non-experts to help interpret data on open source projects, highlighting the overwhelming amount of data involved.
\n\n[00:03:24] Dawn mentions the first four practitioner guides, including an introductory guide, and specific guides on contributor sustainability, responsiveness, and organizational participation.
\n\n[00:04:14] Alice asks why contributor sustainability is so important, to which Dawn responds that it significantly impacts overall project sustainability. She references the xkcd dependency comic to illustrate the vulnerability of projects reliant on few contributors.
\n\n[00:05:41] Elizabeth notes the increasing awareness of proactive approach towards ensuring contributor sustainability in open source.
\n\n[00:06:33] Dawn discusses specific metrics like the contributor absence factor, emphasizing the importance of a balanced contributor base. She shares a story about a Java project stalling due to the sole maintainer’s incarceration.
\n\n[00:08:50] There’s a discussion about the importance of recognizing diverse contributions beyond code, such as community management and documentation. Dawn highlights the efficiency that professional roles can bring to these areas.
\n\n[00:11:39] Elizabeth shares concerns about a specific open source project with a large user base but limited active contributors, highlighting the risks involved. Dawn briefly mentions the structure of the practitioner guides, particularly focusing on the steps for making improvements in project sustainability.
\n\n[00:15:57] Elizabeth emphasizes the importance of making documentation not only informative but also welcoming, and Dawn suggests ways to make contributions easier.
\n\n[00:18:43] Elizabeth highlights the value of recognition in open source communities, Dawn discusses the idea of expanding roles within projects beyond the binary of contributors and maintainers, and there’s a discussion on the importance of distributing work among several people to avoid over-reliance on a single contributor.
\n\n[00:21:55] Dawn shares that improving contributor sustainability is a long-term effort and suggests staring with areas that can make the biggest impact. Elizabeth reflects on the psychological aspect of maintainers having to share control of projects, which can be challenging but is necessary for project growth and sustainability.
\n\n[00:27:39] Elizabeth expresses a desire to see more open source projects include community building or growth as a deliberate part of their roadmaps, and Dawn encourages feedback on the practitioner guides to improve them, highlighting the importance of community input in enhancing these resources.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\nAlice Sowerby
Dawn Foster
\n\nElizabeth Barron
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\npodcast@chaoss.community-email
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 85: Introducing CHAOSS Practitioner Guides: #1 Responsiveness
\n\nPractitioner Guide: Contributor Sustainability-CHAOSS
\n\n\n\nColorful Primordial Black Holes
\n\n","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSSScast, host Alice Sowerby, along with Dawn Foster and Elizabeth Barron, discuss measuring and improving open source community health through contributor sustainability. The conversation highlights the importance of documentation, the balance of contributor roles, and proactive community building. They share insights and examples on how projects can avoid single points of failure, the significance of onboarding processes, and the impact of asking for help. The discussion also underscores the human aspects of open source contributions and provides practical strategies for long-term project viability. Press download now to hear more! ","date_published":"2024-07-11T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/6c620428-ce4b-4c6a-972a-e30ab2140a6a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":64418339,"duration_in_seconds":2003}]},{"id":"12a902b6-ad0f-4a27-b059-9bcf9df50bc0","title":"Episode 87: Celebrating 2 years of CHAOSS Africa","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/87","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 87\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Elizabeth Barron is joined by panelists Anita Ihuman and Ruth Ikegah, along with guests, Enock Kasaadha and Maryblessing Okolie, as they\n\ndelve into the experiences and contributions of CHAOSS Africa, a regional chapter of the CHAOSS Project. They share personal stories of how they got involved in open source, the influence of CHAOSS Africa on their careers, and the community's growth over the past two years. Discussion highlights include the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion, the supportive nature of the CHAOSS community, and future aspirations for CHAOSS Africa. Press download to hear much more! \n\n[00:03:34] Ruth shares her journey into open source which began out of curiosity during her microbiology studies when she observed a friend participating in an open source project via a Google meet call. \n\n[00:06:13] Enock describes his transition from software development to open source, highlighting the initial challenges he faced finding a welcoming community. He praises CHAOSS for their newcomer-friendly environment. \n\n[00:07:51] Maryblessing got into open source after being introduced through a friend who participated in an Outreachy internship, she then joined CHAOSS. Initially, she observed the community to understand how her skills could contribute, and over time she became an active participant. \n\n[00:10:24] Anita shares a similar background with Ruth, having been classmates. Her interest in open source grew as she saw peers making significant contributions to tech, which encouraged her to engage in open source, leading her to CHAOSS. \n\n[00:13:11] The discussion switches to how CHAOSS Africa came to be. Ruth explains how she transitioned from GNOME to CHAOSS through her interactions with other open source contributors. She credits Outreachy, an internship program that CHAOSS participated in, and highlights the role of the DI (Diversity and Inclusion) audits team and the Ford Foundation in recognizing the contributions of African members. \n\n[00:19:18] Elizabeth asks about the impact of open source and CHAOSS on their lives. Enock responds, detailing how CHAOSS acts as an incubator for learning open source contributions skills, which are transferable to other communities. He emphasizes the values of patience, trust, and appreciation cultivated within the CHAOSS community. \n\n[00:24:10] Maryblessing emphasizes how the community has helped advance her career, particularly in managing volunteers, appreciating diversity and inclusion, and improving her decision-making processes. She highlights how CHAPSS has enabled her to engage effectively in other communities and appreciate the role of non-coding contributions in open source projects. \n\n[00:28:12] Anita shares that CHAOSS has broadened her understanding of community health beyond resolving disputes, revealing the multifaceted nature of building a healthy community. She appreciates how her involvement in CHAOSS has allowed her to explore non-coding roles in open source.\n\n[00:29:56] The discussion shifts to the future of CHAOSS Africa, with Ruth and Enock envisioning greater expansion across the continent. They discuss supporting local events and including more countries in their efforts.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:34:01] Elizabeth’s pick is reconnecting with old friends. \n[00:34:46] Enock’s pick is motivation is overrated. \n[00:35:25] Anita’s pick is the recent feedback from her company on her efforts.\n[00:35:50] Maryblessing’s pick is Notion.\n[00:36:12] Ruth’s pick is being at peace and worrying less. \n\n\nPanelists:\nElizabeth Barron\n\nAnita Ihuman\n\nRuth Ikegah\n\nGuests:\n\nEnock Kasaadha\n\nMaryblessing Okolie\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nElizabeth Barron X/Twitter\n\nRuth Ikegah X/Twitter\n\nRuth Ikegah LinkedIn\n\nAnita Ihuman LinkedIn\n\nAnita Ihuman GitHub\n\nEnock Kasaadha Website\n\nEnock Kasaadha LinkedIn\n\nMaryblessing Okolie Website\n\nMaryblessing Okolie LinkedIn\n\nFord Foundation\n\nCHAOSS Africa GitHub\n\nCHAOSS Africa Open Collective\n\nCHAOSS Project Africa X/Twitter\n\nOutreachy\n\nGNOME\n\nMaryblessing Okolie’s talk at Berlin Buzzwords (YouTube)\n\nNotion\n\nJoin the CHAOSS Africa Slack channelSpecial Guests: Anita ihuman, Enock Kasaadha, and Maryblessing Okolie.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 87
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Elizabeth Barron is joined by panelists Anita Ihuman and Ruth Ikegah, along with guests, Enock Kasaadha and Maryblessing Okolie, as they
\n\ndelve into the experiences and contributions of CHAOSS Africa, a regional chapter of the CHAOSS Project. They share personal stories of how they got involved in open source, the influence of CHAOSS Africa on their careers, and the community's growth over the past two years. Discussion highlights include the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion, the supportive nature of the CHAOSS community, and future aspirations for CHAOSS Africa. Press download to hear much more!
\n\n[00:03:34] Ruth shares her journey into open source which began out of curiosity during her microbiology studies when she observed a friend participating in an open source project via a Google meet call.
\n\n[00:06:13] Enock describes his transition from software development to open source, highlighting the initial challenges he faced finding a welcoming community. He praises CHAOSS for their newcomer-friendly environment.
\n\n[00:07:51] Maryblessing got into open source after being introduced through a friend who participated in an Outreachy internship, she then joined CHAOSS. Initially, she observed the community to understand how her skills could contribute, and over time she became an active participant.
\n\n[00:10:24] Anita shares a similar background with Ruth, having been classmates. Her interest in open source grew as she saw peers making significant contributions to tech, which encouraged her to engage in open source, leading her to CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:13:11] The discussion switches to how CHAOSS Africa came to be. Ruth explains how she transitioned from GNOME to CHAOSS through her interactions with other open source contributors. She credits Outreachy, an internship program that CHAOSS participated in, and highlights the role of the DI (Diversity and Inclusion) audits team and the Ford Foundation in recognizing the contributions of African members.
\n\n[00:19:18] Elizabeth asks about the impact of open source and CHAOSS on their lives. Enock responds, detailing how CHAOSS acts as an incubator for learning open source contributions skills, which are transferable to other communities. He emphasizes the values of patience, trust, and appreciation cultivated within the CHAOSS community.
\n\n[00:24:10] Maryblessing emphasizes how the community has helped advance her career, particularly in managing volunteers, appreciating diversity and inclusion, and improving her decision-making processes. She highlights how CHAPSS has enabled her to engage effectively in other communities and appreciate the role of non-coding contributions in open source projects.
\n\n[00:28:12] Anita shares that CHAOSS has broadened her understanding of community health beyond resolving disputes, revealing the multifaceted nature of building a healthy community. She appreciates how her involvement in CHAOSS has allowed her to explore non-coding roles in open source.
\n\n[00:29:56] The discussion shifts to the future of CHAOSS Africa, with Ruth and Enock envisioning greater expansion across the continent. They discuss supporting local events and including more countries in their efforts.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\nElizabeth Barron
Anita Ihuman
\n\nRuth Ikegah
\n\nGuests:
\n\nEnock Kasaadha
\n\nMaryblessing Okolie
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCHAOSS Project Africa X/Twitter
\n\n\n\n\n\nMaryblessing Okolie’s talk at Berlin Buzzwords (YouTube)
\n\n\n\nJoin the CHAOSS Africa Slack channel
Special Guests: Anita ihuman, Enock Kasaadha, and Maryblessing Okolie.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Elizabeth Barron is joined by panelists Anita Ihuman and Ruth Ikegah, along with guests, Enock Kasaadha and Maryblessing Okolie, as they\r\ndelve into the experiences and contributions of CHAOSS Africa, a regional chapter of the CHAOSS Project. They share personal stories of how they got involved in open source, the influence of CHAOSS Africa on their careers, and the community's growth over the past two years. Discussion highlights include the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion, the supportive nature of the CHAOSS community, and future aspirations for CHAOSS Africa. Press download to hear much more! ","date_published":"2024-06-27T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/12a902b6-ad0f-4a27-b059-9bcf9df50bc0.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":72249511,"duration_in_seconds":2257}]},{"id":"69642b44-bdee-45f3-9ccb-21f712b3370c","title":"Episode 86: The Turing Institute: Using AI ethically with the power of Open Source","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/86","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 86\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, co-hosts Alice Sowerby and Dawn Foster welcome guests Aida Mehonic, Malvika Sharan, and Kirstie Whittaker from The Alan Turing Institute. The discussion begins with delving into the Institute's strategic vision, focused on using data science and AI to address global challenges in environment, health, and security. They examine the role of open source contributions in enhancing the ethical, accessible, and impactful uses of AI. The episode highlights various projects, such as The Turing Way, and the importance of community building, inclusive research practices, and the ethical considerations of AI. They also discuss the integration of CHAOSS metrics in their work and explore future projects and initiatives at The Alan Turing Institute. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:02:58] Kirstie gives an overview of The Turing Institute’s strategic vision and explains the three missions.\n\n[00:06:22] Aida talks about the importance of communicating with organizations to align on a shared mission and the impact and value of money of publicly funded projects. \n\n[00:08:38] Malvika brings in the stakeholders ensuring that users, communities, and patients have a say in AI development and empowering educators to incorporate AI, also she talks about working across different projects like Data Science Without Borders and BridgeAI, to accelerate AI’s impact on health and SME’s.\n\n[00:11:02] The conversation switches to embracing ethical AI usage and encouraging others to do the same. Kirstie details the ethical components of AI using the SAFE-D approach: Safety and sustainability, Accountability, Fairness and non-discrimination, Explainability and transparency, and Data quality, integrity, protection, and privacy. \n\n[00:17:17] Malvika talks about the importance of considering the societal impact of research at The Turing Institute, she highlights the differences between the EU AI Act and the open source community approach and emphasizes that users should know their rights regarding data collection and sharing. \n\n[00:19:49] Aida tells us about a case study on A/B street, an open source street planning tool. They partnered up with Bristol City Council and used this tool to facilitate community involvement in urban planning decisions. \n\n[00:23:52] Aida mentions having conversation she’s been in has focused on at Turing on democratizing technology to reach a broader set of end users.\n\n[00:24:14] Dawn loves Turing’s collaborative approach and acknowledges the challenges in making AI and data science intuitive for everyone. \n\n[00:24:54] Kirstie discusses the difficulty of meaningful stakeholder engagement. She talks about the importance of being willing to pivot project goals based on community feedback. \n\n[00:26:51] Alice brings up CHAOSS metrics and inquires how they fit into The Turing Institute’s work. Malvika explains that CHAOSS metrics is one of the only metrics that help them for understanding equity, diversity, and inclusion (EDI) in community health. \n\n[00:31:00] Dawn highlights the need to combine quantitative metrics with qualitative research. Kirstie shares that data scientists often don’t see their work as part of open source or community led projects. Aida comments on using CHAOSS metrics to justify the impact of open source research funded by taxpayer money. \n\n[00:36:05] Dawn asks about the future focus areas for The Turing Institute. Kirstie mentions the BridgeAI Initiative to support SMEs in the UK in leveraging data and the expansion of The Turing Way Practitioner Hub to support experts in organizations and foster global knowledge exchange. \n\n[00:38:28] Aida shares her excitement about a potential incubator at Turing focused on pathways to impact for research. Malvika shares her excitement for professionalization and recognition of various data science roles.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:40:54] Dawn’s pick is GitHub’s GraphQL API. \n[00:41:21] Malvika’s pick is celebrating 5 years of The Turing Way. \n[00:41:53] Aida’s pick is the incubator she talked about earlier. \n[00:42:26] Kirstie’s pick is the Organizational Mycology team: Dan Sholler, Beth Duckles, and Jonah Duckles.\n[00:43:30] Alice’s pick is listening to some podcasts about nuclear semiotics.\n\n\nPanelists: \nAlice Sowerby\n\nDawn Foster\n\nGuests:\n\nAida Mehonic\n\nMalvika Sharan\n\nKirstie Whitaker\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nAlice Sowerby Website\n\nAida Mehonic LinkedIn\n\nDr. Aida Mehonic-The Alan Turing Institute\n\nMalvika Sharan LinkedIn\n\nDr. Malvika Sharan-The Alan Turing Institute\n\nKirstie Whitaker LinkedIn\n\nDr. Kirstie Whitaker-The Alan Turing Institute\n\nThe Alan Turing Institute\n\nThe Turing Way\n\nLaunch of the Data Science Without Borders Project\n\nBridgeAI\n\n‘Using AI in the public sector: New comprehensive guidance’-The Alan Turing Institute\n\nAI Ethics and Governance in Practice-The Alan Turing Institute\n\nOperationalising the SAFE-D principles for Open Source AI-Open Source Initiative\n\nA/B Street\n\n‘Street smart: putting neighbourhood design in the hands of Bristol residents’-The Alan Turing Institute\n\nThe Turing Way Practitioners Hub\n\nGraphQL API-GitHub\n\nOrganizational Mycology\n\nAmerican Hysteria Podcast-Talking to the Future: Nuclear Semiotics\n\n99% Invisible Podcast: Ten Thousand Years Episode 114Special Guests: Aida Mehonic, Kirstie Whitaker, and Malvika Sharan.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 86
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, co-hosts Alice Sowerby and Dawn Foster welcome guests Aida Mehonic, Malvika Sharan, and Kirstie Whittaker from The Alan Turing Institute. The discussion begins with delving into the Institute's strategic vision, focused on using data science and AI to address global challenges in environment, health, and security. They examine the role of open source contributions in enhancing the ethical, accessible, and impactful uses of AI. The episode highlights various projects, such as The Turing Way, and the importance of community building, inclusive research practices, and the ethical considerations of AI. They also discuss the integration of CHAOSS metrics in their work and explore future projects and initiatives at The Alan Turing Institute. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:02:58] Kirstie gives an overview of The Turing Institute’s strategic vision and explains the three missions.
\n\n[00:06:22] Aida talks about the importance of communicating with organizations to align on a shared mission and the impact and value of money of publicly funded projects.
\n\n[00:08:38] Malvika brings in the stakeholders ensuring that users, communities, and patients have a say in AI development and empowering educators to incorporate AI, also she talks about working across different projects like Data Science Without Borders and BridgeAI, to accelerate AI’s impact on health and SME’s.
\n\n[00:11:02] The conversation switches to embracing ethical AI usage and encouraging others to do the same. Kirstie details the ethical components of AI using the SAFE-D approach: Safety and sustainability, Accountability, Fairness and non-discrimination, Explainability and transparency, and Data quality, integrity, protection, and privacy.
\n\n[00:17:17] Malvika talks about the importance of considering the societal impact of research at The Turing Institute, she highlights the differences between the EU AI Act and the open source community approach and emphasizes that users should know their rights regarding data collection and sharing.
\n\n[00:19:49] Aida tells us about a case study on A/B street, an open source street planning tool. They partnered up with Bristol City Council and used this tool to facilitate community involvement in urban planning decisions.
\n\n[00:23:52] Aida mentions having conversation she’s been in has focused on at Turing on democratizing technology to reach a broader set of end users.
\n\n[00:24:14] Dawn loves Turing’s collaborative approach and acknowledges the challenges in making AI and data science intuitive for everyone.
\n\n[00:24:54] Kirstie discusses the difficulty of meaningful stakeholder engagement. She talks about the importance of being willing to pivot project goals based on community feedback.
\n\n[00:26:51] Alice brings up CHAOSS metrics and inquires how they fit into The Turing Institute’s work. Malvika explains that CHAOSS metrics is one of the only metrics that help them for understanding equity, diversity, and inclusion (EDI) in community health.
\n\n[00:31:00] Dawn highlights the need to combine quantitative metrics with qualitative research. Kirstie shares that data scientists often don’t see their work as part of open source or community led projects. Aida comments on using CHAOSS metrics to justify the impact of open source research funded by taxpayer money.
\n\n[00:36:05] Dawn asks about the future focus areas for The Turing Institute. Kirstie mentions the BridgeAI Initiative to support SMEs in the UK in leveraging data and the expansion of The Turing Way Practitioner Hub to support experts in organizations and foster global knowledge exchange.
\n\n[00:38:28] Aida shares her excitement about a potential incubator at Turing focused on pathways to impact for research. Malvika shares her excitement for professionalization and recognition of various data science roles.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\nAlice Sowerby
Dawn Foster
\n\nGuests:
\n\nAida Mehonic
\n\nMalvika Sharan
\n\nKirstie Whitaker
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDr. Aida Mehonic-The Alan Turing Institute
\n\n\n\nDr. Malvika Sharan-The Alan Turing Institute
\n\n\n\nDr. Kirstie Whitaker-The Alan Turing Institute
\n\n\n\n\n\nLaunch of the Data Science Without Borders Project
\n\n\n\n‘Using AI in the public sector: New comprehensive guidance’-The Alan Turing Institute
\n\nAI Ethics and Governance in Practice-The Alan Turing Institute
\n\nOperationalising the SAFE-D principles for Open Source AI-Open Source Initiative
\n\n\n\n\n\nThe Turing Way Practitioners Hub
\n\n\n\n\n\nAmerican Hysteria Podcast-Talking to the Future: Nuclear Semiotics
\n\n99% Invisible Podcast: Ten Thousand Years Episode 114
Special Guests: Aida Mehonic, Kirstie Whitaker, and Malvika Sharan.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, co-hosts Alice Sowerby and Dawn Foster welcome guests Aida Mehonic, Malvika Sharan, and Kirstie Whittaker from The Alan Turing Institute. The discussion begins with delving into the Institute's strategic vision, focused on using data science and AI to address global challenges in environment, health, and security. They examine the role of open source contributions in enhancing the ethical, accessible, and impactful uses of AI. The episode highlights various projects, such as The Turing Way, and the importance of community building, inclusive research practices, and the ethical considerations of AI. They also discuss the integration of CHAOSS metrics in their work and explore future projects and initiatives at The Alan Turing Institute. Press download now to hear more! ","date_published":"2024-06-13T10:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/69642b44-bdee-45f3-9ccb-21f712b3370c.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":86129729,"duration_in_seconds":2691}]},{"id":"701524d5-d3d0-498b-9279-1bc009f4fff3","title":"Episode 85: Introducing CHAOSS Practitioner Guides: #1 Responsiveness","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/85","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 85\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Alice Sowerby is joined with Dawn Foster and special guest, Luis Cañas-Díaz from Bitergia. Today, they delve into the Practitioner Guide series created by CHAOSS, particularly focusing on the Responsiveness Guide authored by Dawn. The conversation highlights the challenges people face in interpreting data and metrics within their projects and how the guides aim to provide actionable insights for improvement. Additionally, they touch on the potential risks of misinterpreting metrics and stress the importance of context and direct involvement from project teams to effectively address responsiveness issues. The episode also covers future directions for the guide series and ways the community can contribute and provide feedback. Press download to hear more!\n\n[00:02:08] Alice asks Dawn to explain the newly launched Practitioner Guide series by CHAOSS. Dawn elaborates on the Practitioner Guides, addressing the community’s struggle with data interpretation and the initiative to provide guidance on metric usage for project improvements. \n\n[00:05:02] Luis comments on the utility of the Practitioner Guides, emphasizing the need to focus on goals over metrics to avoid data overload. \n\n[00:05:54] Dawn mentions the feedback received on the guides, particularly from Luis and others in various OSPO working groups.\n\n[00:07:11] The discussion shifts to the Guide on Responsiveness, with Dawn identifying key metrics like time to first response, time to close, and change request closure ratio. \n\n[00:08:37] Luis shares the significance of responsiveness metrics in community growth and ensuring fair treatment across organizational contributors. \n\n[00:09:54] Dawn details how the guides suggest making improvements, noting the importance of understanding context, such as seasonal variations or event-related disruptions, in evaluating responsiveness. \n\n[00:11:01] We hear some practical tips from Dawn on improving responsiveness, like using templates for contributions to reduce maintainers’ review times and discussing time allocation with maintainers to offload non-critical tasks. \n\n[00:13:47] Luis emphasizes that metrics highlight things that are happening but require deeper investigation to understand the underlying issues. \n\n[00:15:05] Dawn discusses strategies to improve project responsiveness, such as recruiting more maintainers and contributors. She warns against simply pressuring existing maintainers to increase responsiveness, which can lead to burnout and does not address the root cause of delays. \n\n[00:17:33] Luis shares experiences from conversations with managers about the pressures of responding to community needs. He warns against using metrics to measure productivity, as it can lead people to manipulate their behavior to look good on metrics rather than genuinely improving their work. Also, he tells us about a book he read that he liked called, “The Tyranny of Metrics.”\n\n[00:19:42] Luis explains the critical role of responsiveness on onboarding and retaining new community members, emphasizing the importance of prompt feedback to make newcomers feel valued. \n\n[00:20:26] Dawn stresses the impact of responsiveness on new contributors, noting that delays or lack of feedback can permanently discourage them from participating in the project.\n\n[00:21:38] Dawn advises patience and persistence in improving responsiveness, emphasizing that it is a long-term effort.\n\n[00:22:50] Alice inquires about the future directions for the Practitioner Guides series, and Dawn reveals plans for additional guides on topics like software development practices and community activity and encourages community involvement in creating new guidelines. She discusses possibilities for customizing guides for specific organizational needs, such as what Comcast has done. \n\n[00:26:32] Luis suggests exploring educational courses or short video series to help newcomers understand and use metrics effectively in open source projects, emphasizing the long-term value of documentation in retaining knowledge. \n\n[00:27:38] Dawn details ways listeners can engage with the CHAOSS community.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:29:06] Luis’s pick is having the opportunity to collaborate with the Mozilla Foundation again since they were involved in the creation of the “Mozilla and the Rebel Alliance” report years ago. \n[00:29:54] Dawn’s pick is The Practitioner Guides.\n[00:31:06] Alice’s pick is coffee ice cream. \n\n\nPanelists:\n\nAlice Sowerby\n\nDawn Foster\n\nGuest:\n\nLuis Cañas-Díaz\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nAlice Sowerby Website\n\nLuis Cañas-Díaz Website\n\nLuis Cañas-Díaz LinkedIn\n\nAbout the CHAOSS Practitioner Guides\n\nUnlocking Insights: Practitioner Guides for Interpreting Open Source Metrics\n\nPractitioner Guide: Responsiveness\n\nThe Tyranny of Metrics by Jerry Z. Muller\n\nCHAOSS Data Science Working Group-GitHub\n\nMozilla & the Rebel Alliance\n\nMozillaSpecial Guest: Luis Cañas-Díaz.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 85
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Alice Sowerby is joined with Dawn Foster and special guest, Luis Cañas-Díaz from Bitergia. Today, they delve into the Practitioner Guide series created by CHAOSS, particularly focusing on the Responsiveness Guide authored by Dawn. The conversation highlights the challenges people face in interpreting data and metrics within their projects and how the guides aim to provide actionable insights for improvement. Additionally, they touch on the potential risks of misinterpreting metrics and stress the importance of context and direct involvement from project teams to effectively address responsiveness issues. The episode also covers future directions for the guide series and ways the community can contribute and provide feedback. Press download to hear more!
\n\n[00:02:08] Alice asks Dawn to explain the newly launched Practitioner Guide series by CHAOSS. Dawn elaborates on the Practitioner Guides, addressing the community’s struggle with data interpretation and the initiative to provide guidance on metric usage for project improvements.
\n\n[00:05:02] Luis comments on the utility of the Practitioner Guides, emphasizing the need to focus on goals over metrics to avoid data overload.
\n\n[00:05:54] Dawn mentions the feedback received on the guides, particularly from Luis and others in various OSPO working groups.
\n\n[00:07:11] The discussion shifts to the Guide on Responsiveness, with Dawn identifying key metrics like time to first response, time to close, and change request closure ratio.
\n\n[00:08:37] Luis shares the significance of responsiveness metrics in community growth and ensuring fair treatment across organizational contributors.
\n\n[00:09:54] Dawn details how the guides suggest making improvements, noting the importance of understanding context, such as seasonal variations or event-related disruptions, in evaluating responsiveness.
\n\n[00:11:01] We hear some practical tips from Dawn on improving responsiveness, like using templates for contributions to reduce maintainers’ review times and discussing time allocation with maintainers to offload non-critical tasks.
\n\n[00:13:47] Luis emphasizes that metrics highlight things that are happening but require deeper investigation to understand the underlying issues.
\n\n[00:15:05] Dawn discusses strategies to improve project responsiveness, such as recruiting more maintainers and contributors. She warns against simply pressuring existing maintainers to increase responsiveness, which can lead to burnout and does not address the root cause of delays.
\n\n[00:17:33] Luis shares experiences from conversations with managers about the pressures of responding to community needs. He warns against using metrics to measure productivity, as it can lead people to manipulate their behavior to look good on metrics rather than genuinely improving their work. Also, he tells us about a book he read that he liked called, “The Tyranny of Metrics.”
\n\n[00:19:42] Luis explains the critical role of responsiveness on onboarding and retaining new community members, emphasizing the importance of prompt feedback to make newcomers feel valued.
\n\n[00:20:26] Dawn stresses the impact of responsiveness on new contributors, noting that delays or lack of feedback can permanently discourage them from participating in the project.
\n\n[00:21:38] Dawn advises patience and persistence in improving responsiveness, emphasizing that it is a long-term effort.
\n\n[00:22:50] Alice inquires about the future directions for the Practitioner Guides series, and Dawn reveals plans for additional guides on topics like software development practices and community activity and encourages community involvement in creating new guidelines. She discusses possibilities for customizing guides for specific organizational needs, such as what Comcast has done.
\n\n[00:26:32] Luis suggests exploring educational courses or short video series to help newcomers understand and use metrics effectively in open source projects, emphasizing the long-term value of documentation in retaining knowledge.
\n\n[00:27:38] Dawn details ways listeners can engage with the CHAOSS community.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nAlice Sowerby
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nGuest:
\n\nLuis Cañas-Díaz
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAbout the CHAOSS Practitioner Guides
\n\nUnlocking Insights: Practitioner Guides for Interpreting Open Source Metrics
\n\nPractitioner Guide: Responsiveness
\n\nThe Tyranny of Metrics by Jerry Z. Muller
\n\nCHAOSS Data Science Working Group-GitHub
\n\n\n\nSpecial Guest: Luis Cañas-Díaz.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Alice Sowerby is joined with Dawn Foster and special guest, Luis Cañas-Díaz from Bitergia. Today, they delve into the Practitioner Guide series created by CHAOSS, particularly focusing on the Responsiveness Guide authored by Dawn. The conversation highlights the challenges people face in interpreting data and metrics within their projects and how the guides aim to provide actionable insights for improvement. Additionally, they touch on the potential risks of misinterpreting metrics and stress the importance of context and direct involvement from project teams to effectively address responsiveness issues. The episode also covers future directions for the guide series and ways the community can contribute and provide feedback. Press download to hear more!","date_published":"2024-05-30T03:45:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/701524d5-d3d0-498b-9279-1bc009f4fff3.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":61169165,"duration_in_seconds":1911}]},{"id":"376a0536-1305-4d3b-bdc5-d7c358fac99b","title":"Episode 84: Community Viability - how Verizon thinks about OSS risk ","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/84","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 84\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, Dawn Foster, Matt Germonprez, Alice Sowerby, and guest Gary White, Principal Engineer at Verizon’s OSPO office, delve into the world of viability metrics models developed for assessing the risks associated with using open source software components. Gary explains the creation process of these models, their application within Verizon for software evaluation, and the significance of engaging with the open source community to enhance project viability. The conversations also explore the challenges and considerations in deploying these metrics within organizations, emphasizing the blend of policy enforcement and cultural influence to manage open source software dependencies effectively. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:02:30] Dawn asks Gary to elaborate on the choice of Verizon for the viability metrics models. He explains the creation of the first four metrics models for assessing risks in open source software components, and the development of a fifth model to simplify the original four. Also, he explains the importance of being quantitative about software library choices, influenced by a research paper from Carnegie Mellon and existing CHAOSS metrics.\n\n[00:05:16] Gary mentions using Augur for metrics collection at Verizon and the benefits of tracking with CHAOSS tools. \n\n[00:06:27] Matt asks Gary to provide an example of a metric used in the governance model, and he talks about the Libyears metric, which helps understand the total years behind all dependencies of a component, reflecting the risk associated with aging dependencies. \n\n[00:07:50] Alice wonders about the “happy region” for the Libyears metric and its implications on risk assessment.\n\n[00:09:25] Dawn asks Gary to discuss how these metrics are utilized at Verizon. He describes using these metrics to evaluate the viability of software at Verizon, including different use cases and dependency risks. \n\n[00:11:39] Alice explores how Gary considers the context in which components are used when calculating risk. \n\n[00:13:24] Matt asks about the process of engaging with the metrics models within the organization. Gary explains that the approach depends on several factors such as severity of finding, buy-in from the organization, and the organizational structure of the OSPO, and details the use of specific resources like the “endoflife.date.” \n\n[00:18:07] Gary outlines how Verizon integrates risk management frameworks with organizational tools like dashboards to disseminate collected data and foster buy-in for automated systems. \n[00:21:16] Alice asks Gary for advice on engaging with open source communities when viability metrics indicate potential issues. Gary highlights the importance of community and governance metrics in driving organizational support for critical open source projects. \n\n[00:22:43] Gary shares his experience in the CHAOSS group, emphasizing the value of diverse opinions in developing and validating viability metrics models.\n\n[00:24:33] Dawn highlights the significance of the discussions on viability and risk in the OSPO working group, emphasizing how these are critical concerns for OSPO leaders. \n\n[00:25:24] Dawn inquires about how Verizon uses CHAOSS metrics beyond viability assessment, particularly in open source management. Gary discusses leveraging CHAOSS metrics across various teams to judge component use and risk profiles and explains Verizon’s approach to using metrics involving both an educational component and a policy component. \n\n[00:27:33] Gary talks about focusing on the ongoing efforts to integrate and optimize the Augur system at Verizon, acknowledging Sean Goggins for his assistance, and expresses a desire to contribute back to the community, and exploring new metrics to trace and predict significant events in the open source ecosystem.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n[00:30:29] Dawn’s pick is going on an Afternoon Tea London Sightseeing Bus Tour with friends. \n[00:31:07] Matt’s pick is reflecting on the value of attending conferences and meeting people.\n[00:32:10] Gary’s pick is the support from the Augur team, attending conferences, and meeting people. \n[00:32:51] Alice’s pick is attending OSSNA in Seattle. \n\nPanelists:\nDawn Foster\nMatt Germonprez\nAlice Sowerby\n\nGuest:\nGary White\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nMatt Germonprez X/Twitter\n\nAlice Sowerby LinkedIn\n\nGary White LinkedIn\n\n“We Feel Like We’re Winging It”: A Study on Navigating Open Source Dependency Abandonment (ACM Digital \nLibrary)\n\nLibyears \n\nendoflife.date\n\nCHAOSS-Topics: All Metrics Models\n\nCHAOSS-OSS Project Viability Starter\n\nCHAOSS-Augur NEW Release v0.63.3\n\nClassic Afternoon Tea London Sightseeing Bus Tour\n\nOpen Source Summit North America 2024 SeattleSpecial Guest: Gary White.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 84
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, Dawn Foster, Matt Germonprez, Alice Sowerby, and guest Gary White, Principal Engineer at Verizon’s OSPO office, delve into the world of viability metrics models developed for assessing the risks associated with using open source software components. Gary explains the creation process of these models, their application within Verizon for software evaluation, and the significance of engaging with the open source community to enhance project viability. The conversations also explore the challenges and considerations in deploying these metrics within organizations, emphasizing the blend of policy enforcement and cultural influence to manage open source software dependencies effectively. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:02:30] Dawn asks Gary to elaborate on the choice of Verizon for the viability metrics models. He explains the creation of the first four metrics models for assessing risks in open source software components, and the development of a fifth model to simplify the original four. Also, he explains the importance of being quantitative about software library choices, influenced by a research paper from Carnegie Mellon and existing CHAOSS metrics.
\n\n[00:05:16] Gary mentions using Augur for metrics collection at Verizon and the benefits of tracking with CHAOSS tools.
\n\n[00:06:27] Matt asks Gary to provide an example of a metric used in the governance model, and he talks about the Libyears metric, which helps understand the total years behind all dependencies of a component, reflecting the risk associated with aging dependencies.
\n\n[00:07:50] Alice wonders about the “happy region” for the Libyears metric and its implications on risk assessment.
\n\n[00:09:25] Dawn asks Gary to discuss how these metrics are utilized at Verizon. He describes using these metrics to evaluate the viability of software at Verizon, including different use cases and dependency risks.
\n\n[00:11:39] Alice explores how Gary considers the context in which components are used when calculating risk.
\n\n[00:13:24] Matt asks about the process of engaging with the metrics models within the organization. Gary explains that the approach depends on several factors such as severity of finding, buy-in from the organization, and the organizational structure of the OSPO, and details the use of specific resources like the “endoflife.date.”
\n\n[00:18:07] Gary outlines how Verizon integrates risk management frameworks with organizational tools like dashboards to disseminate collected data and foster buy-in for automated systems.
\n[00:21:16] Alice asks Gary for advice on engaging with open source communities when viability metrics indicate potential issues. Gary highlights the importance of community and governance metrics in driving organizational support for critical open source projects.
[00:22:43] Gary shares his experience in the CHAOSS group, emphasizing the value of diverse opinions in developing and validating viability metrics models.
\n\n[00:24:33] Dawn highlights the significance of the discussions on viability and risk in the OSPO working group, emphasizing how these are critical concerns for OSPO leaders.
\n\n[00:25:24] Dawn inquires about how Verizon uses CHAOSS metrics beyond viability assessment, particularly in open source management. Gary discusses leveraging CHAOSS metrics across various teams to judge component use and risk profiles and explains Verizon’s approach to using metrics involving both an educational component and a policy component.
\n\n[00:27:33] Gary talks about focusing on the ongoing efforts to integrate and optimize the Augur system at Verizon, acknowledging Sean Goggins for his assistance, and expresses a desire to contribute back to the community, and exploring new metrics to trace and predict significant events in the open source ecosystem.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n[00:30:29] Dawn’s pick is going on an Afternoon Tea London Sightseeing Bus Tour with friends.
\n[00:31:07] Matt’s pick is reflecting on the value of attending conferences and meeting people.
\n[00:32:10] Gary’s pick is the support from the Augur team, attending conferences, and meeting people.
\n[00:32:51] Alice’s pick is attending OSSNA in Seattle.
Panelists:
\nDawn Foster
\nMatt Germonprez
\nAlice Sowerby
Guest:
\nGary White
Links:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCHAOSS-Topics: All Metrics Models
\n\nCHAOSS-OSS Project Viability Starter
\n\nCHAOSS-Augur NEW Release v0.63.3
\n\nClassic Afternoon Tea London Sightseeing Bus Tour
\n\nOpen Source Summit North America 2024 Seattle
Special Guest: Gary White.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, Dawn Foster, Matt Germonprez, Alice Sowerby, and guest Gary White, Principal Engineer at Verizon’s OSPO office, delve into the world of viability metrics models developed for assessing the risks associated with using open source software components. Gary explains the creation process of these models, their application within Verizon for software evaluation, and the significance of engaging with the open source community to enhance project viability. The conversations also explore the challenges and considerations in deploying these metrics within organizations, emphasizing the blend of policy enforcement and cultural influence to manage open source software dependencies effectively. Press download now to hear more! ","date_published":"2024-05-16T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/376a0536-1305-4d3b-bdc5-d7c358fac99b.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":66781095,"duration_in_seconds":2086}]},{"id":"fe9de2e9-e733-409c-bd07-9c6de4a5baed","title":"Episode 83: Metrics for Organizational and Digital Infrastructure with Edward Vielmetti","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/83","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 83\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, Georg and Dawn chat with guest Edward Vielmetti, Developer Partner Manager at Equinix, where he oversees the Open Source Partner Program. Today, they delve into the significance of measuring open source community health using CHAOSS metrics. Edward discusses the importance of providing infrastructure support to open source projects and how Equinix uses CHAOSS metrics to evaluate project health and manage resources efficiently. The discussion also covers the challenges of maintaining open source project health, including governance, code quality, and resources, with insights into predictive metrics and the impact of corporate involvement in open source communities. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:01:36] Edward introduces himself, tells us what he does, provides a background on Equinix, and talks about their dedicated cloud offering and support for open source projects. He discusses the absence of formal CHAOSS metrics at Equinix but mentions they compare them with internal considerations to ensure project health. \n\n[00:06:24] Edward talks about external factors like internal conflicts or external shocks to the system and the importance of being a stabilizing force. \n\n[00:9:59] Georg outlines three categories of project health: community activity, code quality, and resources. \n\n[00:10:58] Edward talks about using spend as a top-line metric for resource adequacy and the importance of rapid build and test cycles for software projects. \n\n[00:15:33] Georg acknowledges Edward’s comprehensive view, noting the need for specialized infrastructure beyond what hosting platforms like GitHub and GitLab offer. Edward emphasizes that developing certain kinds of software requires direct access to hardware rather than virtualized environments. \n\n[00:19:06] Dawn brings the conversation back to CHAOSS, mentioning context working groups and Edward’s active participation in the corporate OSPO working group. Edward talks about the challenges at Equinix in forming a formal OSPO and the value of sharing and learning from peers through CHAOSS. \n\n[00:22:33] Dawn appreciated the diversity of companies in the CHAOSS OSPO working group and the broad exchange of ideas. Edward reflects on his long history with open source, noting the evolution and professionalization of the industry. \n\n[00:25:32] Georg asks about the future of open source and CHAOSS’s potential role, and Edward mentions the trend of open source projects changing control for financial gain and discusses how CHAOSS could help predict or quickly identify such changes. He proposes the collection of certain metrics, such as the number of legal notices a project receives, as indicators of the project’s environment. \n\n[00:29:44] Edward shares a story, without taking sides, about Terraform relicensing by HashiCorp and the subsequent forks of Terraform, focusing on the OpenTofu fork and the licensing issues around patching from differently licensed software. \n\n[00:34:05] Georg discusses observing early risk indicators in projects, such as when a single company’s influence increases, potentially raising the risk of unilateral changes, and he expresses a desire for a predictive model for open source project trajectories.\n\n[00:35:44] Dawn calls such predictive modeling difficult due to the rarity of events and stresses the importance of community participation for early detection of issues. \n\n[00:37:53] Georg brings up the Linkerd project’s approach to engaging with the vendor ecosystem and the changes in their release strategy to encourage commercial support, and Edward compares this with CentOS’s transition to CentOS Stream. \n\n[00:41:48] Georg reiterates the value of participation in open source to be aware of and potentially influence project developments. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:42:29] Georg’s pick is finding people that have something you need, and he found someone who was giving away dirt for free that he needed for his garden. \n[00:43:29] Dawn’s pick is Barefoot Day - A family holiday every April 9.\n[00:44:34] Edward’s pick is participating in Ann Arbor’s “Visit Every Park” challenge and keeping a log of all his visits.\n\n\nPanelists:\nGeorg Link\n\nDawn Foster\n\nGuest:\n\nEdward Vielmetti\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nEdward Vielmetti Blog\n\nEdward Vielmetti Mastodon\n\nEdward Vielmetti LinkedIn\n\nEquinix\n\nOpenTofu Project X/Twitter re: OpenTofu’s legal notice from HashiCorp\n\nxkcd-Compiling\n\nXZ Utils backdoor\n\nUNIX System Laboratories, Inc v. Berkeley Software Design, Inc.\n\n“Betrayal is the Internet’s business model”-Michael Lucas WebsiteSpecial Guest: Ed Vielmetti.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 83
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, Georg and Dawn chat with guest Edward Vielmetti, Developer Partner Manager at Equinix, where he oversees the Open Source Partner Program. Today, they delve into the significance of measuring open source community health using CHAOSS metrics. Edward discusses the importance of providing infrastructure support to open source projects and how Equinix uses CHAOSS metrics to evaluate project health and manage resources efficiently. The discussion also covers the challenges of maintaining open source project health, including governance, code quality, and resources, with insights into predictive metrics and the impact of corporate involvement in open source communities. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:01:36] Edward introduces himself, tells us what he does, provides a background on Equinix, and talks about their dedicated cloud offering and support for open source projects. He discusses the absence of formal CHAOSS metrics at Equinix but mentions they compare them with internal considerations to ensure project health.
\n\n[00:06:24] Edward talks about external factors like internal conflicts or external shocks to the system and the importance of being a stabilizing force.
\n\n[00:9:59] Georg outlines three categories of project health: community activity, code quality, and resources.
\n\n[00:10:58] Edward talks about using spend as a top-line metric for resource adequacy and the importance of rapid build and test cycles for software projects.
\n\n[00:15:33] Georg acknowledges Edward’s comprehensive view, noting the need for specialized infrastructure beyond what hosting platforms like GitHub and GitLab offer. Edward emphasizes that developing certain kinds of software requires direct access to hardware rather than virtualized environments.
\n\n[00:19:06] Dawn brings the conversation back to CHAOSS, mentioning context working groups and Edward’s active participation in the corporate OSPO working group. Edward talks about the challenges at Equinix in forming a formal OSPO and the value of sharing and learning from peers through CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:22:33] Dawn appreciated the diversity of companies in the CHAOSS OSPO working group and the broad exchange of ideas. Edward reflects on his long history with open source, noting the evolution and professionalization of the industry.
\n\n[00:25:32] Georg asks about the future of open source and CHAOSS’s potential role, and Edward mentions the trend of open source projects changing control for financial gain and discusses how CHAOSS could help predict or quickly identify such changes. He proposes the collection of certain metrics, such as the number of legal notices a project receives, as indicators of the project’s environment.
\n\n[00:29:44] Edward shares a story, without taking sides, about Terraform relicensing by HashiCorp and the subsequent forks of Terraform, focusing on the OpenTofu fork and the licensing issues around patching from differently licensed software.
\n\n[00:34:05] Georg discusses observing early risk indicators in projects, such as when a single company’s influence increases, potentially raising the risk of unilateral changes, and he expresses a desire for a predictive model for open source project trajectories.
\n\n[00:35:44] Dawn calls such predictive modeling difficult due to the rarity of events and stresses the importance of community participation for early detection of issues.
\n\n[00:37:53] Georg brings up the Linkerd project’s approach to engaging with the vendor ecosystem and the changes in their release strategy to encourage commercial support, and Edward compares this with CentOS’s transition to CentOS Stream.
\n\n[00:41:48] Georg reiterates the value of participation in open source to be aware of and potentially influence project developments.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\nGeorg Link
Dawn Foster
\n\nGuest:
\n\nEdward Vielmetti
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOpenTofu Project X/Twitter re: OpenTofu’s legal notice from HashiCorp
\n\n\n\n\n\nUNIX System Laboratories, Inc v. Berkeley Software Design, Inc.
\n\n“Betrayal is the Internet’s business model”-Michael Lucas Website
Special Guest: Ed Vielmetti.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, Georg and Dawn chat with guest Edward Vielmetti, Developer Partner Manager at Equinix, where he oversees the Open Source Partner Program. Today, they delve into the significance of measuring open source community health using CHAOSS metrics. Edward discusses the importance of providing infrastructure support to open source projects and how Equinix uses CHAOSS metrics to evaluate project health and manage resources efficiently. The discussion also covers the challenges of maintaining open source project health, including governance, code quality, and resources, with insights into predictive metrics and the impact of corporate involvement in open source communities. ","date_published":"2024-05-02T07:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/fe9de2e9-e733-409c-bd07-9c6de4a5baed.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":88305742,"duration_in_seconds":2759}]},{"id":"b96dae4c-06db-4fe2-9821-68cdbf53cef8","title":"Episode 82: The AI Conundrum: Implications for OSPOs","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/82","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 82\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Dawn Foster brings together Matt Germonprez, Brian Proffitt, and Ashley Wolf to discuss the implications of Artificial Intelligence (AI) on Open Source Program Offices (OSPOs), including policy considerations, the potential for AI-driven contributions to create workload for maintainers, and the quality of contributions. They also touch on the use of AI internally within companies versus contributing back to the open source community, the importance of distinguishing between human and AI contributions, and the potential benefits and challenges AI introduces to open source project health and community metrics. The conversation strikes a balance between optimism for AI’s benefits and caution for its governance, leaving us to ponder the future of open source in an AI-integrated world. Press download to hear more! \n\n[00:03:20] The discussion begins on the role of OSPOs in AI policy making, and Ashley emphasizes the importance of OSPOs in providing guidance on generative AI tools usage and contributions within their organizations.\n\n[00:05:17] Brian observes a conservative reflex towards AI in OSPOs, noting issues around copyright, trust, and the status of AI as not truly open source. \n\n[00:07:10] Matt inquires about aligning different policies from various organizations, like GitHub and Red Hat, with those from the Linux Foundation and Apache Software Foundation regarding generative AI. Brian speaks about Red Hat’s approach to first figure out their policies before seeking alignment with others.\n\n[00:06:45] Ashley appreciates the publicly available AI policies from the Apache and Linux Foundations, noting that GitHub’s policies have been informed by long-term thinking and community feedback. \n\n[00:10:34] Dawn asks about potential internal conflict for GitHub employees given different AI policies at GitHub and other organizations like CNCF and Apache. \n\n[00:12:32] Ashley and Brian talk about what they see as the benefits of AI for OSPOs, and how AI can help scale OSPO support and act as a sounding board for new ideas. \n\n[00:15:32] Matt proposes a scenario where generative AI might increase individual contributions to high-profile projects like Kubernetes for personal gain, potentially burdening maintainers. \n\n[00:18:45] Dawn mentions Daniel Stenberg of cURL who has seen an influx of low-quality issues from AI models, Ashley points out the problem of “drive-by-contributions” and spam, particularly during events like Hacktoberfest, and emphasizes the role of OSPOs in education about responsible contributions, and Brian discusses potential issues with AI contributions leading to homogenization and the increased risk of widespread security vulnerabilities.\n\n[00:22:33] Matt raises another scenario questioning if companies might use generative AI internally as an alternative to open source for smaller issues without contributing back to the community. Ashley states 92% of developers are using AI code generation tools and cautions against creating code in a vacuum, and Brian talks about Red Hat’s approach. \n\n[00:27:18] Dawn discusses the impact of generative AI on companies that are primarily consumers of open source, rarely contributing back, questioning if they might start using AI to make changes instead of contributing. Brian suggests there might be a mixed impact and Ashley optimistically hopes the time saved using AI tools will be redirected to contribute back to open source. \n\n[00:29:49] Brian discusses the state of open source AI, highlighting the lack of a formal definition and ongoing efforts by the OSI and other groups to establish one, and recommends a fascinating article he read from Knowing Machines. Ashley emphasizes the importance of not misusing the term open source for AI until a formal definition is established. \n\n[00:32:42] Matt inquires how metrics can aid in adapting to AI trends in open source, like detecting AI-generated contributions. Brian talks about using signals like time zones to differentiate between corporate contributors and hobbyists, and the potential for tagging contributions from AI for clarity. \n\n[00:35:13] Ashley considers the human aspect of maintainers dealing with an influx of AI-generated contributions and what metrics could indicate a need for additional support, and she mentions the concept of the “Nebraska effect.” \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:36:59] Dawn’s pick is seeing friends over the 4 day UK Easter holiday, playing board games, eating, and hanging out. \n[00:37:21] Brian’s pick is traveling back home to Indiana to see his first ever total solar eclipse and bringing his NC friends along. \n[00:38:03] Matt’s pick is reconnecting with colleagues this semester and doing talks at GSU and Syracuse. \n[00:38:40] Ashley’s pick is going to the local nursery and acquiring some blueberry plants. \n\n\nPanelists:\n\nDawn Foster\n\nMatt Germonprez\n\nBrian Proffitt\n\nAshley Wolf\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nMatt Germonprez X/Twitter\n\nBrian Proffitt X/Twitter\n\nAshley Wolf X/Twitter\n\nAshley Wolf LinkedIn\n\nAI-generated bug reports are becoming a big waste of time for developers (Techspot)\n\nModels All The Way Down- A Knowing Machines Project\n\nxkcd-DependencySpecial Guest: Ashley Wolf.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 82
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Dawn Foster brings together Matt Germonprez, Brian Proffitt, and Ashley Wolf to discuss the implications of Artificial Intelligence (AI) on Open Source Program Offices (OSPOs), including policy considerations, the potential for AI-driven contributions to create workload for maintainers, and the quality of contributions. They also touch on the use of AI internally within companies versus contributing back to the open source community, the importance of distinguishing between human and AI contributions, and the potential benefits and challenges AI introduces to open source project health and community metrics. The conversation strikes a balance between optimism for AI’s benefits and caution for its governance, leaving us to ponder the future of open source in an AI-integrated world. Press download to hear more!
\n\n[00:03:20] The discussion begins on the role of OSPOs in AI policy making, and Ashley emphasizes the importance of OSPOs in providing guidance on generative AI tools usage and contributions within their organizations.
\n\n[00:05:17] Brian observes a conservative reflex towards AI in OSPOs, noting issues around copyright, trust, and the status of AI as not truly open source.
\n\n[00:07:10] Matt inquires about aligning different policies from various organizations, like GitHub and Red Hat, with those from the Linux Foundation and Apache Software Foundation regarding generative AI. Brian speaks about Red Hat’s approach to first figure out their policies before seeking alignment with others.
\n\n[00:06:45] Ashley appreciates the publicly available AI policies from the Apache and Linux Foundations, noting that GitHub’s policies have been informed by long-term thinking and community feedback.
\n\n[00:10:34] Dawn asks about potential internal conflict for GitHub employees given different AI policies at GitHub and other organizations like CNCF and Apache.
\n\n[00:12:32] Ashley and Brian talk about what they see as the benefits of AI for OSPOs, and how AI can help scale OSPO support and act as a sounding board for new ideas.
\n\n[00:15:32] Matt proposes a scenario where generative AI might increase individual contributions to high-profile projects like Kubernetes for personal gain, potentially burdening maintainers.
\n\n[00:18:45] Dawn mentions Daniel Stenberg of cURL who has seen an influx of low-quality issues from AI models, Ashley points out the problem of “drive-by-contributions” and spam, particularly during events like Hacktoberfest, and emphasizes the role of OSPOs in education about responsible contributions, and Brian discusses potential issues with AI contributions leading to homogenization and the increased risk of widespread security vulnerabilities.
\n\n[00:22:33] Matt raises another scenario questioning if companies might use generative AI internally as an alternative to open source for smaller issues without contributing back to the community. Ashley states 92% of developers are using AI code generation tools and cautions against creating code in a vacuum, and Brian talks about Red Hat’s approach.
\n\n[00:27:18] Dawn discusses the impact of generative AI on companies that are primarily consumers of open source, rarely contributing back, questioning if they might start using AI to make changes instead of contributing. Brian suggests there might be a mixed impact and Ashley optimistically hopes the time saved using AI tools will be redirected to contribute back to open source.
\n\n[00:29:49] Brian discusses the state of open source AI, highlighting the lack of a formal definition and ongoing efforts by the OSI and other groups to establish one, and recommends a fascinating article he read from Knowing Machines. Ashley emphasizes the importance of not misusing the term open source for AI until a formal definition is established.
\n\n[00:32:42] Matt inquires how metrics can aid in adapting to AI trends in open source, like detecting AI-generated contributions. Brian talks about using signals like time zones to differentiate between corporate contributors and hobbyists, and the potential for tagging contributions from AI for clarity.
\n\n[00:35:13] Ashley considers the human aspect of maintainers dealing with an influx of AI-generated contributions and what metrics could indicate a need for additional support, and she mentions the concept of the “Nebraska effect.”
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nMatt Germonprez
\n\nBrian Proffitt
\n\nAshley Wolf
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAI-generated bug reports are becoming a big waste of time for developers (Techspot)
\n\nModels All The Way Down- A Knowing Machines Project
\n\nSpecial Guest: Ashley Wolf.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Dawn Foster brings together Matt Germonprez, Brian Proffitt, and Ashley Wolf to discuss the implications of Artificial Intelligence (AI) on Open Source Program Offices (OSPOs), including policy considerations, the potential for AI-driven contributions to create workload for maintainers, and the quality of contributions. They also touch on the use of AI internally within companies versus contributing back to the open source community, the importance of distinguishing between human and AI contributions, and the potential benefits and challenges AI introduces to open source project health and community metrics. The conversation strikes a balance between optimism for AI’s benefits and caution for its governance, leaving us to ponder the future of open source in an AI-integrated world.","date_published":"2024-04-25T09:45:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/b96dae4c-06db-4fe2-9821-68cdbf53cef8.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":75394955,"duration_in_seconds":2356}]},{"id":"b7b6159a-0cb6-4a38-893d-c1a5e5a23a7a","title":"Episode 81: Managing Federal CHAOSS at CMS.gov","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/81","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 80\n\nOn today’s episode of CHAOSScast, we focus on the experiences and initiatives of the Open Source Program Office at the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). Host Dawn Foster is joined by Sean Goggins along with guests, Remy DeCausemaker, Natalia Luzuriaga, Isaac Milarsky, and Aayat Ali, all from various backgrounds within the CMS, who share insights into their efforts in maintaining and promoting an open source culture within federal services. Key discussion points include the launch of the CMS’s first open source program office, the development of a maturity model framework to evaluate open source projects, the creation of tools such as Repo Scaffolder and Duplifier to support open source practices, and efforts towards open source software security. This episode emphasizes the distinct aspects of opens source work in government settings compared to the private sector and highlights upcoming presentations at conferences. Download this episode now to hear more! \n\n[00:02:21] Dawn asks about the team’s work at the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. We start with Remy, who explains the launch of the first open source program office at a federal agency in the U.S. and details CMS’s mission to improve healthcare experience for over 150 million people and the role of the digital service within CMS.\n\n[00:05:36] Natalia discusses the maturity model framework developed to assess the open source maturity level of projects. She describes a “Repo Scaffolder” tool created in collaboration with the U.S. digital response to help projects align with the majority model, and she speaks about additional features for public repositories to aid in development.\n\n[00:10:51] Isaac takes over, explaining how they use Auger metrics and “Nadia labeling” to categorize projects and encourage the adoption of their maturity model. He details a metrics website that provides visual representations of project health and activity and introduces “Duplifier,” a deduplication tool for healthcare data, which uses an open source library called Splink. \n\n[00:15:14] Sean inquires how they actualize their user needs in metrics visualization and about the process that informs the creation of these visual metrics. Isaac addresses front-end design aspects of metric visualization and the importance of making the metrics understandable at a glance. Natalia emphasizing designing for both technical and non-technical stakeholders, ensuring metrics are clear and understandable. \n\n[00:17:44] Aayat discusses her role in strategy development and the creation of a CMS OSPO guide. She emphasizes advocacy withing CMS for open source and plans to conduct workshops and usability testing to determine which metrics are most valuable to stakeholders.\n\n[00:19:23] Remy talks about consulting with the chief information security officer and the chief information officer for internal metric priorities and engaging with an external OSPO metrics working group convened by CHAOSS for broader insights.\n\n[00:20:47] Dawn asks Remy for more details on the differences with government engagement in open source to the corporate environments. Remy describes the early journey of OSPOs at the federal level and contrasts it with his private sector experience. \n\n[00:25:18] Sean asks about what success would look like a year from now for the \n\nOSPO group’s work. Remy acknowledges the limited four-year term for digital service members, emphasizing the urgency to execute and make an impact within the next year. He highlights the transformative impact of Isaac and Natalia’s entrance into the program and the successful shipping of the metrics website, a deduplication tool, and other repositories. \n\n[00:27:50] Isaac envisions success as propagating maturity models and open source standards throughout the government, demonstrating value to stakeholders, and growing the OSPO. Natalia is excited to share their foundational OSPO work and contribute to open data initiatives and mentions speaking this year at the Linux Foundation Open Source Summit and PyCon about their work. Aayat defines success as achieving goals in source code stewardship, understanding the maturity and content of repositories, and supporting the team in communicating the value of open source. \n\n[00:29:53] Remy brings up Nadia Eghbal giving her credit for influential work and mentioning a team book club inspired by her writings. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:32:39] Dawn’s pick is Beat Saber for indoor workouts. \n[00:33:05] Sean’s pick is the HBO max show, True Detective, Season 4.\n[00:33:22] Remy’s pick is the BRAVO Hackathon Series he recently attended. \n[00:38:14] Natalia’s pick is visiting her local library and getting a library card. \n[00:38:39] Aayat’s pick is a good book she read called, “Demon Copperhead.” \n[00:39:36] Isaac’s pick is enjoying the nice weather and getting outside. \n\n\n**Panelists: \n\nDawn Foster\n\nSean Goggins\n\nGuests:\n\nRemy DeCausemaker\n\nNatalia Luzuriaga\n\nIsaac Milarsky\n\nAayat Ali\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nSean Goggins X/Twitter\n\nRemy DeCausemaker X/Twitter\n\nRemy DeCausemaker LinkedIn\n\nNatalia Luzuriaga LinkedIn\n\nIsaac Milarsky LinkedIn\n\nAayat Ali LinkedIn\n\nAayat Ali Website\n\nCMS.gov\n\nDigital Service at CMS (DSACMS)-GitHub\n\nCenters for Medicare & Medicaid Services-GitHub\n\nUnited States Digital Corps\n\nSplink\n\nRepo Scaffolder-GitHub\n\nMetrics Dashboard for CMS Open Source Projects\n\nRepo Metrics Website\n\ngithub-ospo\n\nThe Linux Foundation Open Source Summit-April 16-18, 2024, Seattle, WA\n\nPyCon US-May 15-23, 2024-Pittsburgh, PA\n\nNadia Asparouhova (aka Nadia Eghbal) Website\n\nWorking in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal\n\nRoads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure by Nadia Eghbal\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 77: Open Source Metrics at Microsoft\n\nBeat Saber\n\nTrue Detective-Season 4 (HBO max)\n\nBRAVO Hackathon Series\n\nDemon Copperhead by Barbara KingsolverSpecial Guests: Aayat Ali, Isaac Milarsky, Natalia Luzuriaga, and Remy DeCausemaker.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 80
\n\nOn today’s episode of CHAOSScast, we focus on the experiences and initiatives of the Open Source Program Office at the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). Host Dawn Foster is joined by Sean Goggins along with guests, Remy DeCausemaker, Natalia Luzuriaga, Isaac Milarsky, and Aayat Ali, all from various backgrounds within the CMS, who share insights into their efforts in maintaining and promoting an open source culture within federal services. Key discussion points include the launch of the CMS’s first open source program office, the development of a maturity model framework to evaluate open source projects, the creation of tools such as Repo Scaffolder and Duplifier to support open source practices, and efforts towards open source software security. This episode emphasizes the distinct aspects of opens source work in government settings compared to the private sector and highlights upcoming presentations at conferences. Download this episode now to hear more!
\n\n[00:02:21] Dawn asks about the team’s work at the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. We start with Remy, who explains the launch of the first open source program office at a federal agency in the U.S. and details CMS’s mission to improve healthcare experience for over 150 million people and the role of the digital service within CMS.
\n\n[00:05:36] Natalia discusses the maturity model framework developed to assess the open source maturity level of projects. She describes a “Repo Scaffolder” tool created in collaboration with the U.S. digital response to help projects align with the majority model, and she speaks about additional features for public repositories to aid in development.
\n\n[00:10:51] Isaac takes over, explaining how they use Auger metrics and “Nadia labeling” to categorize projects and encourage the adoption of their maturity model. He details a metrics website that provides visual representations of project health and activity and introduces “Duplifier,” a deduplication tool for healthcare data, which uses an open source library called Splink.
\n\n[00:15:14] Sean inquires how they actualize their user needs in metrics visualization and about the process that informs the creation of these visual metrics. Isaac addresses front-end design aspects of metric visualization and the importance of making the metrics understandable at a glance. Natalia emphasizing designing for both technical and non-technical stakeholders, ensuring metrics are clear and understandable.
\n\n[00:17:44] Aayat discusses her role in strategy development and the creation of a CMS OSPO guide. She emphasizes advocacy withing CMS for open source and plans to conduct workshops and usability testing to determine which metrics are most valuable to stakeholders.
\n\n[00:19:23] Remy talks about consulting with the chief information security officer and the chief information officer for internal metric priorities and engaging with an external OSPO metrics working group convened by CHAOSS for broader insights.
\n\n[00:20:47] Dawn asks Remy for more details on the differences with government engagement in open source to the corporate environments. Remy describes the early journey of OSPOs at the federal level and contrasts it with his private sector experience.
\n\n[00:25:18] Sean asks about what success would look like a year from now for the
\n\nOSPO group’s work. Remy acknowledges the limited four-year term for digital service members, emphasizing the urgency to execute and make an impact within the next year. He highlights the transformative impact of Isaac and Natalia’s entrance into the program and the successful shipping of the metrics website, a deduplication tool, and other repositories.
\n\n[00:27:50] Isaac envisions success as propagating maturity models and open source standards throughout the government, demonstrating value to stakeholders, and growing the OSPO. Natalia is excited to share their foundational OSPO work and contribute to open data initiatives and mentions speaking this year at the Linux Foundation Open Source Summit and PyCon about their work. Aayat defines success as achieving goals in source code stewardship, understanding the maturity and content of repositories, and supporting the team in communicating the value of open source.
\n\n[00:29:53] Remy brings up Nadia Eghbal giving her credit for influential work and mentioning a team book club inspired by her writings.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\n**Panelists:
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nSean Goggins
\n\nGuests:
\n\nRemy DeCausemaker
\n\nNatalia Luzuriaga
\n\nIsaac Milarsky
\n\nAayat Ali
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDigital Service at CMS (DSACMS)-GitHub
\n\nCenters for Medicare & Medicaid Services-GitHub
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMetrics Dashboard for CMS Open Source Projects
\n\n\n\n\n\nThe Linux Foundation Open Source Summit-April 16-18, 2024, Seattle, WA
\n\nPyCon US-May 15-23, 2024-Pittsburgh, PA
\n\nNadia Asparouhova (aka Nadia Eghbal) Website
\n\nWorking in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal
\n\nRoads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure by Nadia Eghbal
\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 77: Open Source Metrics at Microsoft
\n\n\n\nTrue Detective-Season 4 (HBO max)
\n\n\n\nDemon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver
Special Guests: Aayat Ali, Isaac Milarsky, Natalia Luzuriaga, and Remy DeCausemaker.
","summary":"On today’s episode of CHAOSScast, we focus on the experiences and initiatives of the Open Source Program Office at the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). Host Dawn Foster is joined by Sean Goggins along with guests, Remy DeCausemaker, Natalia Luzuriaga, Isaac Milarsky, and Aayat Ali, all from various backgrounds within the CMS, who share insights into their efforts in maintaining and promoting an open source culture within federal services. Key discussion points include the launch of the CMS’s first open source program office, the development of a maturity model framework to evaluate open source projects, the creation of tools such as Repo Scaffolder and Duplifier to support open source practices, and efforts towards open source software security. This episode emphasizes the distinct aspects of opens source work in government settings compared to the private sector and highlights upcoming presentations at conferences. Download this episode now to hear more! ","date_published":"2024-03-12T08:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/b7b6159a-0cb6-4a38-893d-c1a5e5a23a7a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":77609408,"duration_in_seconds":2425}]},{"id":"2946a544-3a67-4ce0-89b8-a3ca995440e4","title":"Episode 80: Counting Potatoes vs. Computational Mysticism - Using CHAOSS for Research","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/80","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 79\n\nIn this episode, host Georg Link is joined by Daniel, Anita, Sophia, and Sean, to discuss their research experiences with CHAOSS metrics and software for open source community health analysis. They dive into various topics, such as collecting and interpreting data from different perspectives, considerations regarding privacy and ethics, and the importance of collaboration between academics and industry professionals. They also highlight some significant projects and studies where CHAOSS metrics and software were employed, and their hopes and concerns for the future direction of research in the field. Furthermore, they discuss the necessity of bridging the gap between academia and industry and touch on the importance of linguistics and cultural context when examining data. Download this episode now! \n\n[00:02:48] Anita discusses the history of open source software research and how CHAOSS provides a common framework for various metrics used by researchers, and Sean emphasizes the standardization of metrics by CHAOSS, which aids in consistency across research. \n\n[00:04:52] Sophia highlights the discrepancies in metric calculations and definitions, seeking standard methodologies, especially for non-academic publications, and Daniel reflects on the differences in research approaches between academia and industry, emphasizing the importance of methodological rigor. \n\n[00:08:25] Sean critiques academic papers for often lacking complete method descriptions, calling for a more rigorous methodological transparency, and Daniel shares about transitioning from academia to industry and the different expectations for communication and results. \n\n[00:10:44] Georg inquires about the impact of CHAOSS research capabilities, and Daniel explains that CHAOSS is shaping research by reflecting the interests and observations of its contributors. \n\n[00:12:16] Sean talks about the increased capacity for research offered by CHAOSS, particularly through tools like Grimoire Lab and Augur, Anita shares her experience using Grimoire Lab for creating interventions and dashboards for open source communities to monitor their projects, and Daniel adds historical context and mentions the importance of tools that allow the replication of analysis in research. \n\n[00:17:10] Georg introduces a study using CHAOSS metrics and software that hasn’t been officially published yet, and Sophia shares some details and explains the study’s premise. \n\n[00:21:00] Anita raises a philosophical point about the potential limitations of metrics, suggesting that they may only reflect what is observable and could lead to gamification if people optimize their behavior based on the metrics. \n\n[00:22:14] Sean speaks about the importance of deep field engagement and the combination of social science with data mining to fully understand the data’s underlying human behavior. Sophia shares her perspective from market research, discussing the design of surveys, the selection bias inherent in data collection, and the importance of understanding the population that is excluded by the research filters used. \n\n[00:25:56] Anita discusses the challenges of academic surveys, and Daniel discusses the bias that may arise from the data available.\n\n[00:28:10] Sophia contemplates the behavioral nuances dictated by different platforms’ processes, and Sean suggests a focus on common software engineering processes across different tools and advocates for social scientific research in open source to better understand the human aspects. \n\n[00:30:32] Georg transitions to discussing survey methodologies and their relation to CHAOSS metrics, and Anita shares her experiences with survey design for the international Apache Software Foundation community and implementation. \n\n[00:33:10] Daniel reflects on the collaborative effort with the ASF community to ensure the survey’s terms and questions were appropriately adapted for an international audience. Sophia suggest the need for a consistent taxonomy is research to ensure cultural sensitivity and understanding. \n\n[00:36:15] Sean touches on the use of large language models in research to identify common language patterns, discussing the ethical considerations of using machine learning to evaluate inclusivity in projects. Anita shares thoughts on presenting survey data responsibly and the need for careful consideration of what information is shared.\n\n[00:38:53] Georg questions the future direction for research in open source using metrics and software. Sean advocates for deeper social scientific engagement, Anita points out the silos between industry and academics, highlighting the need for more interaction and collaboration to synergize efforts and ask more relevant questions, and Sophia stresses the need to focus on gaps in data and to consider work not visible in trace data. \n\n[00:42:59] Daniel brings a pessimistic view, cautioning that the different goals of industry and academia might lead to problems unless they find ways to work together more effectively. \n\n[00:44:11] Georg asks Daniel to clarify the problems he foresees with the current research trajectories. Daniel elaborates on the potential ethical and legal issues that may arise when data is used beyond the limits of fair use, such as in mental health analysis from developer messages, and Sean and Anita add some thoughts as well. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:47:09] Georg’s pick is baking cookies. \n[00:47:59] Sean’s pick is a book he read called, “Language Variation and Change in Social Networks.”\n[00:48:31] Anita’s pick is a book she is helping write on “Inclusive Open Source.”\n[00:48:59] Daniel’s pick is two books he read called, “The Culture Map” and \\\n“From the Soil.” \n[00:50:54] Sophia’s pick is returning to FOSDEM, seeing people, and learning about a new tool called, Cosma. \n\n\nPanelists:\n\nGeorg Link\n\nSean Goggins\n\nDaniel Izquierdo\n\nAnita Sarma\n\nSophia Vargas\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nSean Goggins X/Twitter\n\nSophia Vargas X/Twitter\n\nDaniel Izquierdo X/Twitter\n\nAnita Sarma LinkedIn\n\nMining Software Repositories (MSR) conference 2024\n\nCHAOSSCon EU 2024-Brussels Livestream (YouTube)\n\nLanguage Variation and Change in Social Networks by Robin Dodsworth and \n\nRichard A. Benton\n\nThe Culture Map by Erin Meyer \n\nFrom the Soil: The Foundations of Chinese Society by Fei Xiaotong\n\nCosma-GitHub\n\n“Counting Potatoes: the Size of Debian 2.2 “ (UPGRADE-Open Source/Free Software: Towards Maturity\n\n“Gaining Insight into Your Open Source Community with Community Tapestry” (write up for dashboard study for ASF) Special Guest: Anita Sarma.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 79
\n\nIn this episode, host Georg Link is joined by Daniel, Anita, Sophia, and Sean, to discuss their research experiences with CHAOSS metrics and software for open source community health analysis. They dive into various topics, such as collecting and interpreting data from different perspectives, considerations regarding privacy and ethics, and the importance of collaboration between academics and industry professionals. They also highlight some significant projects and studies where CHAOSS metrics and software were employed, and their hopes and concerns for the future direction of research in the field. Furthermore, they discuss the necessity of bridging the gap between academia and industry and touch on the importance of linguistics and cultural context when examining data. Download this episode now!
\n\n[00:02:48] Anita discusses the history of open source software research and how CHAOSS provides a common framework for various metrics used by researchers, and Sean emphasizes the standardization of metrics by CHAOSS, which aids in consistency across research.
\n\n[00:04:52] Sophia highlights the discrepancies in metric calculations and definitions, seeking standard methodologies, especially for non-academic publications, and Daniel reflects on the differences in research approaches between academia and industry, emphasizing the importance of methodological rigor.
\n\n[00:08:25] Sean critiques academic papers for often lacking complete method descriptions, calling for a more rigorous methodological transparency, and Daniel shares about transitioning from academia to industry and the different expectations for communication and results.
\n\n[00:10:44] Georg inquires about the impact of CHAOSS research capabilities, and Daniel explains that CHAOSS is shaping research by reflecting the interests and observations of its contributors.
\n\n[00:12:16] Sean talks about the increased capacity for research offered by CHAOSS, particularly through tools like Grimoire Lab and Augur, Anita shares her experience using Grimoire Lab for creating interventions and dashboards for open source communities to monitor their projects, and Daniel adds historical context and mentions the importance of tools that allow the replication of analysis in research.
\n\n[00:17:10] Georg introduces a study using CHAOSS metrics and software that hasn’t been officially published yet, and Sophia shares some details and explains the study’s premise.
\n\n[00:21:00] Anita raises a philosophical point about the potential limitations of metrics, suggesting that they may only reflect what is observable and could lead to gamification if people optimize their behavior based on the metrics.
\n\n[00:22:14] Sean speaks about the importance of deep field engagement and the combination of social science with data mining to fully understand the data’s underlying human behavior. Sophia shares her perspective from market research, discussing the design of surveys, the selection bias inherent in data collection, and the importance of understanding the population that is excluded by the research filters used.
\n\n[00:25:56] Anita discusses the challenges of academic surveys, and Daniel discusses the bias that may arise from the data available.
\n\n[00:28:10] Sophia contemplates the behavioral nuances dictated by different platforms’ processes, and Sean suggests a focus on common software engineering processes across different tools and advocates for social scientific research in open source to better understand the human aspects.
\n\n[00:30:32] Georg transitions to discussing survey methodologies and their relation to CHAOSS metrics, and Anita shares her experiences with survey design for the international Apache Software Foundation community and implementation.
\n\n[00:33:10] Daniel reflects on the collaborative effort with the ASF community to ensure the survey’s terms and questions were appropriately adapted for an international audience. Sophia suggest the need for a consistent taxonomy is research to ensure cultural sensitivity and understanding.
\n\n[00:36:15] Sean touches on the use of large language models in research to identify common language patterns, discussing the ethical considerations of using machine learning to evaluate inclusivity in projects. Anita shares thoughts on presenting survey data responsibly and the need for careful consideration of what information is shared.
\n\n[00:38:53] Georg questions the future direction for research in open source using metrics and software. Sean advocates for deeper social scientific engagement, Anita points out the silos between industry and academics, highlighting the need for more interaction and collaboration to synergize efforts and ask more relevant questions, and Sophia stresses the need to focus on gaps in data and to consider work not visible in trace data.
\n\n[00:42:59] Daniel brings a pessimistic view, cautioning that the different goals of industry and academia might lead to problems unless they find ways to work together more effectively.
\n\n[00:44:11] Georg asks Daniel to clarify the problems he foresees with the current research trajectories. Daniel elaborates on the potential ethical and legal issues that may arise when data is used beyond the limits of fair use, such as in mental health analysis from developer messages, and Sean and Anita add some thoughts as well.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGeorg Link
\n\nSean Goggins
\n\nDaniel Izquierdo
\n\nAnita Sarma
\n\nSophia Vargas
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMining Software Repositories (MSR) conference 2024
\n\nCHAOSSCon EU 2024-Brussels Livestream (YouTube)
\n\nLanguage Variation and Change in Social Networks by Robin Dodsworth and
\n\n\n\n\n\nFrom the Soil: The Foundations of Chinese Society by Fei Xiaotong
\n\n\n\n“Counting Potatoes: the Size of Debian 2.2 “ (UPGRADE-Open Source/Free Software: Towards Maturity
\n\nSpecial Guest: Anita Sarma.
","summary":"In this episode, host Georg Link is joined by Daniel, Anita, Sophia, and Sean, to discuss their research experiences with CHAOSS metrics and software for open source community health analysis. They dive into various topics, such as collecting and interpreting data from different perspectives, considerations regarding privacy and ethics, and the importance of collaboration between academics and industry professionals. They also highlight some significant projects and studies where CHAOSS metrics and software were employed, and their hopes and concerns for the future direction of research in the field. Furthermore, they discuss the necessity of bridging the gap between academia and industry and touch on the importance of linguistics and cultural context when examining data.","date_published":"2024-02-28T04:45:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/2946a544-3a67-4ce0-89b8-a3ca995440e4.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":101733392,"duration_in_seconds":3179}]},{"id":"96a0ec9d-694c-49fc-a57a-6ee92aeacceb","title":"Episode 79: The Mechanics of CHAOSS: A Deep Dive into Open Source Community Health Analytics","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/79","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nIn this collaboration between the CHAOSS Cast and Mechanical Ink podcasts, hosts Dawn Foster and Schalk Neethling are joined by guests Daniel Izquierdo and Sean Goggins to discuss open source community health metrics. \n\nThe focus is on providing an overview of two projects under the CHAOSS (Community Health Analytics for Open Source Software) umbrella - GrimoireLab and Augur. These open source tools gather data from diverse sources and analyze it to provide insights into open-source community health.\n\nThe episode brings together two fascinating open source projects - GrimoireLab and Augur - that aim to provide insights into the health of open-source software communities. By gathering data from various platforms and channels, and analyzing contributor activity, issues, pull requests, and conversations, these projects shine a light on the inner workings of open-source projects.\n\nYou have Sean Goggins, a university researcher who co-created Augur to dissect community interactions at scale. Then you have Daniel Izquierdo whose startup Bitergia built GrimoireLab to offer open source analytics as a service. Both share insightful stories on the evolving landscape of inner source and metrics-driven community management. It's a great listen for anyone involved in running open-source projects or communities.\n\nBeyond project leads, the conversation also touches on why understanding community health is vital today for enterprise adopters to track their dependencies and influence. And as Dawn Foster from CHAOSS chips in, you get an important reminder to not get carried away chasing tools without clarity on what specific questions you want answered from the underlying data.\n\nOverall, a stimulating mix of history and future direction on using metrics to guide open-source communities toward greater sustainability.\nGuests \n\n\nDaniel Izquierdo: Co-founder and CEO of Bitergia, co-founder of CHAOSS, President of InnerSource Commons \nSean Goggins: Professor of Computer Science at the University of Missouri, maintainer of Augur software package in CHAOSS\n\n\nKey Topics Discussed\n\n\nOrigins and goals of the CHAOSS project\nOverview of GrimoireLab \nOverview of Augur\nSupporting analysis across diverse data sources\nFocus areas and roadmaps\nGetting involved in the projects\n\n\nLinks Mentioned \n\n\nCHAOSS (chaoss.community)\nGrimoireLab (grimoirelab.github.io)\nAugur (augurlabs.io) \nCauldron instance (cauldron.io)\nPublic Augur instance (metrics.chaoss.io)\nOSS Compass (oss.compass.community)\nSpecial Guest: Schalk Neethling.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nIn this collaboration between the CHAOSS Cast and Mechanical Ink podcasts, hosts Dawn Foster and Schalk Neethling are joined by guests Daniel Izquierdo and Sean Goggins to discuss open source community health metrics.
\n\nThe focus is on providing an overview of two projects under the CHAOSS (Community Health Analytics for Open Source Software) umbrella - GrimoireLab and Augur. These open source tools gather data from diverse sources and analyze it to provide insights into open-source community health.
\n\nThe episode brings together two fascinating open source projects - GrimoireLab and Augur - that aim to provide insights into the health of open-source software communities. By gathering data from various platforms and channels, and analyzing contributor activity, issues, pull requests, and conversations, these projects shine a light on the inner workings of open-source projects.
\n\nYou have Sean Goggins, a university researcher who co-created Augur to dissect community interactions at scale. Then you have Daniel Izquierdo whose startup Bitergia built GrimoireLab to offer open source analytics as a service. Both share insightful stories on the evolving landscape of inner source and metrics-driven community management. It's a great listen for anyone involved in running open-source projects or communities.
\n\nBeyond project leads, the conversation also touches on why understanding community health is vital today for enterprise adopters to track their dependencies and influence. And as Dawn Foster from CHAOSS chips in, you get an important reminder to not get carried away chasing tools without clarity on what specific questions you want answered from the underlying data.
\n\nOverall, a stimulating mix of history and future direction on using metrics to guide open-source communities toward greater sustainability.
\nGuests
Key Topics Discussed
\n\nLinks Mentioned
\n\nSpecial Guest: Schalk Neethling.
","summary":"In this collaboration between the CHAOSS Cast and Mechanical Ink podcasts, hosts Dawn Foster and Schalk Neethling are joined by guests Daniel Izquierdo and Sean Goggins to discuss open source community health metrics. \r\n\r\nThe focus is on providing an overview of two projects under the CHAOSS (Community Health Analytics for Open Source Software) umbrella - GrimoireLab and Augur. These open source tools gather data from diverse sources and analyze it to provide insights into open-source community health.","date_published":"2024-02-21T05:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/96a0ec9d-694c-49fc-a57a-6ee92aeacceb.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":88234630,"duration_in_seconds":3676}]},{"id":"cdb13975-8219-49fd-b3a1-b700d837054a","title":"Episode 78: University Open Source Engagement","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/78","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 78\n\nIn this episode, host Matt Germonprez is joined by panelists Sayeed Choudhury from Carnegie Mellon University, Clare Dillon from the University of Galway and Lero, Allison Kittinger from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Data Science Institute, and Zach Chandler from Stanford University. They discuss the intricate relationship between open source software and university missions, the role of libraries in supporting OSS, and the collaborative culture fostering community and innovation. The overlapping terrains of open science, open scholarship, and open source in the academic world are explored, along with the challenges and promises of developing universities OSPOs. Join us as we highlight the dynamic growth and potential of OSS in enhancing educational experiences and research output. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:00:22] The panelists introduce themselves and tell us what they do. \n\n[00:01:49] Sayeed begins discussing why universities care about open source software, emphasizing its alignment with university missions and its importance as a research output and educational experience. \n\n[00:03:30] Allison continues the role of open source in academia and the importance of creating a supportive culture around it. Zach expresses the importance of open source software in research and teaching, emphasizing the value of sharing and innovation in Stanford’s commitment to open source. Clare speaks about the perspective from Lero and the need to improve engagement with open source software across Irish universities. \n\n[00:08:12] Matt asks about the relationship with universities’ engagement with open source and libraires. Allison discusses the parallels between open source and library functions like scholarly publishing, suggesting the potential need for dedicated open source support within libraries. \n\n[00:10:47] Sayeed highlights the libraries’ neutrality and curation role within universities, suggesting this aligns well with open scholarship and open source software. Clare shares positive interactions with librarians in the open source ecosystem and praises the librarian discipline. Zach commends academic librarians for their alignment with open source ethos, despite his OSPO not being situated within a library. \n\n[00:13:45] Matt asks the panelists to describe a day in their life concerning open source engagement at their universities. Clare talks about working on a framework for open source policy for Irish universities, inspired by Ireland’s National Open Research Forum, involving various stakeholders. \n\n[00:15:14] Allison mentions her day involved planning and hiring for an outreach specialist role to support open source efforts and future team expansion and discusses focusing on outreach efforts for open source within the community and campus, including event planning and needs assessment. \n\n[00:17:03] Zach describes his day like Allison’s, involving consultations on open source licensing and learning from advanced open source projects. Sayeed compares open source work at universities to tending a garden and discusses strategic and operational aspects of his role, emphasizing building social capital. \n\n[00:21:02] Matt asks if the panelists see their work as building community within their universities. Sayeed discusses building community as a convener and center of competency, helping students and faculty navigate open source issues. \n\n[00:22:30] Allison sees her role as building the open source program and community, inspired by the Wisconsin idea that the university’s work should benefit the entire state. Zach focuses on building a community among coding leads from various labs through the Maintainers and Contributors Roundtable, aiming to support and elevate software production. Clare highlights the diversity of people involved in open source at universities and the broader societal impact of open source beyond just software development. \n\n[00:28:04] Matt asks whether the panelists are making positive strides and acknowledges the newness of some OSPOs. He notes potential challenges like getting various university layers to understand their message. Zach feels successful in engaging the research community and uncovering new projects but faces the challenge of integrating these projects into a meaningful framework. \n\n[00:29:44] Allison talks about the excitement and challenge of focusing on key areas without getting overwhelmed by the multitude of directions and projects available. Clare highlights the importance of sharing experiences to avoid duplicating efforts and points out the challenge of translating open source concepts for non-technical audiences. Sayeed discusses the gains at CMU, where the OSPO is beginning to be seen as the go-to for open source. He brings up the challenge of meeting immediate and specific demands from university members like choosing licenses. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:36:16] Matt’s pick is a book he read: Of Bicycles, Bakelites, and Bulbs: Toward a Theory of Sociotechnical Change. \n[00:36:39] Clare’s pick is an email titled, “Hope is a verb” from Roger Steare, Corporate Philosopher. Also, an article called, “How to Cultivate Hope,” in Psychology Today.\n[00:37:21] Sayeed’s pick is committing to walking 10,000 steps a day. \n[00:38:12] Allison’s pick is Uplands Pleasant Ridge Reserve Cheese.\n[00:39:12] Zach’s pick is Zee Bracket.\n\n\nPanelist:\n\nMatt Germonprez\n\nGuests:\n\nSayeed Choudhury\n\nClare Dillon\n\nAllison Kittinger\n\nZach Chandler\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nMatt Germonprez X/Twitter\n\nSayeed Choudhury X/Twitter\n\nSayeed Choudhury LinkedIn\n\nClare Dillon X/Twitter\n\nClare Dillon LinkedIn\n\nAllison Kittinger LinkedIn \n\nAllison Kittinger Website\n\nZach Chandler LinkedIn\n\nStanford University Open Source \n\nLero OSPO-GitHub\n\nIreland’s National Open Research Forum (NORF) \n\nOf Bicycles, Bakelites, and Bulbs: Toward a Theory of Sociotechnical Change by Wiebe E. Biijker\n\n“Hope is a verb” by Roger Steare\n\nUplands Cheese-Pleasant Ridge Reserve\n\nZee BracketSpecial Guests: Allison Kittinger, Clare Dillon, Sayeed Choudhury , and Zach Chandler.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 78
\n\nIn this episode, host Matt Germonprez is joined by panelists Sayeed Choudhury from Carnegie Mellon University, Clare Dillon from the University of Galway and Lero, Allison Kittinger from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Data Science Institute, and Zach Chandler from Stanford University. They discuss the intricate relationship between open source software and university missions, the role of libraries in supporting OSS, and the collaborative culture fostering community and innovation. The overlapping terrains of open science, open scholarship, and open source in the academic world are explored, along with the challenges and promises of developing universities OSPOs. Join us as we highlight the dynamic growth and potential of OSS in enhancing educational experiences and research output. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:00:22] The panelists introduce themselves and tell us what they do.
\n\n[00:01:49] Sayeed begins discussing why universities care about open source software, emphasizing its alignment with university missions and its importance as a research output and educational experience.
\n\n[00:03:30] Allison continues the role of open source in academia and the importance of creating a supportive culture around it. Zach expresses the importance of open source software in research and teaching, emphasizing the value of sharing and innovation in Stanford’s commitment to open source. Clare speaks about the perspective from Lero and the need to improve engagement with open source software across Irish universities.
\n\n[00:08:12] Matt asks about the relationship with universities’ engagement with open source and libraires. Allison discusses the parallels between open source and library functions like scholarly publishing, suggesting the potential need for dedicated open source support within libraries.
\n\n[00:10:47] Sayeed highlights the libraries’ neutrality and curation role within universities, suggesting this aligns well with open scholarship and open source software. Clare shares positive interactions with librarians in the open source ecosystem and praises the librarian discipline. Zach commends academic librarians for their alignment with open source ethos, despite his OSPO not being situated within a library.
\n\n[00:13:45] Matt asks the panelists to describe a day in their life concerning open source engagement at their universities. Clare talks about working on a framework for open source policy for Irish universities, inspired by Ireland’s National Open Research Forum, involving various stakeholders.
\n\n[00:15:14] Allison mentions her day involved planning and hiring for an outreach specialist role to support open source efforts and future team expansion and discusses focusing on outreach efforts for open source within the community and campus, including event planning and needs assessment.
\n\n[00:17:03] Zach describes his day like Allison’s, involving consultations on open source licensing and learning from advanced open source projects. Sayeed compares open source work at universities to tending a garden and discusses strategic and operational aspects of his role, emphasizing building social capital.
\n\n[00:21:02] Matt asks if the panelists see their work as building community within their universities. Sayeed discusses building community as a convener and center of competency, helping students and faculty navigate open source issues.
\n\n[00:22:30] Allison sees her role as building the open source program and community, inspired by the Wisconsin idea that the university’s work should benefit the entire state. Zach focuses on building a community among coding leads from various labs through the Maintainers and Contributors Roundtable, aiming to support and elevate software production. Clare highlights the diversity of people involved in open source at universities and the broader societal impact of open source beyond just software development.
\n\n[00:28:04] Matt asks whether the panelists are making positive strides and acknowledges the newness of some OSPOs. He notes potential challenges like getting various university layers to understand their message. Zach feels successful in engaging the research community and uncovering new projects but faces the challenge of integrating these projects into a meaningful framework.
\n\n[00:29:44] Allison talks about the excitement and challenge of focusing on key areas without getting overwhelmed by the multitude of directions and projects available. Clare highlights the importance of sharing experiences to avoid duplicating efforts and points out the challenge of translating open source concepts for non-technical audiences. Sayeed discusses the gains at CMU, where the OSPO is beginning to be seen as the go-to for open source. He brings up the challenge of meeting immediate and specific demands from university members like choosing licenses.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelist:
\n\nMatt Germonprez
\n\nGuests:
\n\nSayeed Choudhury
\n\nClare Dillon
\n\nAllison Kittinger
\n\nZach Chandler
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nStanford University Open Source
\n\n\n\nIreland’s National Open Research Forum (NORF)
\n\nOf Bicycles, Bakelites, and Bulbs: Toward a Theory of Sociotechnical Change by Wiebe E. Biijker
\n\n“Hope is a verb” by Roger Steare
\n\nUplands Cheese-Pleasant Ridge Reserve
\n\nSpecial Guests: Allison Kittinger, Clare Dillon, Sayeed Choudhury , and Zach Chandler.
","summary":"In this episode, host Matt Germonprez is joined by panelists Sayeed Choudhury from Carnegie Mellon University, Clare Dillon from the University of Galway and Lero, Allison Kittinger from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Data Science Institute, and Zach Chandler from Stanford University. They discuss the intricate relationship between open source software and university missions, the role of libraries in supporting OSS, and the collaborative culture fostering community and innovation. The overlapping terrains of open science, open scholarship, and open source in the academic world are explored, along with the challenges and promises of developing universities OSPOs. Join us as we highlight the dynamic growth and potential of OSS in enhancing educational experiences and research output. ","date_published":"2024-01-30T07:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/cdb13975-8219-49fd-b3a1-b700d837054a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":77737986,"duration_in_seconds":2429}]},{"id":"457b57bd-952f-423a-a6d5-bf81fa8fed3d","title":"Episode 77: Open Source Metrics at Microsoft","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/77","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 77\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Dawn Foster has a compelling discussion with three guests from Microsoft’s Open Source Programs Office: Emma Irwin, James Siri, and Justin Gosses. The conversation includes how Microsoft measures the health of open source communities, their experiences with the CHAOSS Community, and the critical role of open source within the organization. Topics such as use of metrics, tackling security issues within scaling, and the future of metrics within the company were discussed. Also, they talk about the value of open source contributions within the business, the role of internal communities, and how they track and improve processes at Microsoft, emphasizing the importance of open source impact both externally and internally. Download this episode now to hear more! \n\n[00:00:24] Emma, James, and Justin share their backgrounds with us. \n\n[00:01:53] Emma discusses Microsoft’s multi-tier approach to metrics, focusing on maintainers’ value to products and communities, component intelligence, and engineering standards on GitHub. \n\n[00:04:06] James elaborates on his focus on GitHub metrics, the development of policy and tooling for security, and simplifying developers’ workflow. \n\n[00:04:51] Justin categorizes metrics into those for maintainers, for management, and for developers making decisions on dependencies. He talks about challenges in managing the scale of data from 13,000 repositories and the importance of security metrics.\n\n[00:05:37] Emma discusses an experiment with the OpenSSF scorecard for repository security and the effort to motivate improvements in this area. She highlights the challenges of instilling these practices as part of the culture. \n\n[00:07:30] Justin sees opportunities to combine CHAOSS metrics with secure supply chain efforts, aiming to aid developers in making informed decisions about dependencies and warning them of potential risks.\n\n[00:09:11] Dawn asks about the challenges of scaling metrics and managing the vast number of dependencies. Justin responds by describing an experience focused on aiding developers at the start of a project, helping them make data-informed choices about a few key dependencies. \n\n[00:12:51] Emma adds that from the Open Source Programs Office (OSPO) perspective, having a dashboard to direct inquiries is very helpful. James mentions that the dashboard also provides an easy way to surface security guidance. \n\n[00:13:27] The conversation shifts to Dawn asking about the business aspect of open source within Microsoft and how they measure this impact. James responds that open source is integral to Microsoft’s software development approach, aiming to build an internal community and avoid duplicating solutions. He also discusses the importance of Software Bill of Materials (SBOMs) for security and supply chain transparency. \n\n[00:16:00] Emma elaborates on the internal value of external open source contributions, sharing how they help maintainers demonstrate the business impact during reviews. \n\n[00:17:14] Dawn inquiries about the future direction for Microsoft regarding metrics and measurement. Justin touches on exploring the area of funding, aiming to improve conversations about financial contributions to open source projects and achieving better return on investment. \n\n[00:19:10] James mentions that their package selection work for developers has been inspired by CHAOSS metrics, suggesting that these insights be shared in OSPO working group meetings. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:19:34] Dawn’s pick is getting her permanent residency approval allowing her to live in the UK without any restrictions. \n[00:19:59] Emma’s pick is taking a break over the holidays and being outside as much as possible. \n[00:20:33] Justin’s pick is a book he enjoyed reading called, Elinor Ostrom: An Intellectual Biography.\n[00:21:19] James’s pick is reconnecting with art and music as an avenue for self-expression. \n\n\n*Panelist: *\n\nDawn Foster\n\nGuests:\n\nEmma Irwin\n\nJustin Gosses\n\nJames Siri\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nEmma Irwin LinkedIn\n\nJames Siri LinkedIn\n\nJames Gosses LinkedIn\n\nJustin Gosses Website\n\nOSS Project Viability: Compliance + Security\n\nElinor Ostrom: An Intellectual Biography by Vlad TarkoSpecial Guests: Emma Irwin, James Siri, and Justin Gosses.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 77
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, host Dawn Foster has a compelling discussion with three guests from Microsoft’s Open Source Programs Office: Emma Irwin, James Siri, and Justin Gosses. The conversation includes how Microsoft measures the health of open source communities, their experiences with the CHAOSS Community, and the critical role of open source within the organization. Topics such as use of metrics, tackling security issues within scaling, and the future of metrics within the company were discussed. Also, they talk about the value of open source contributions within the business, the role of internal communities, and how they track and improve processes at Microsoft, emphasizing the importance of open source impact both externally and internally. Download this episode now to hear more!
\n\n[00:00:24] Emma, James, and Justin share their backgrounds with us.
\n\n[00:01:53] Emma discusses Microsoft’s multi-tier approach to metrics, focusing on maintainers’ value to products and communities, component intelligence, and engineering standards on GitHub.
\n\n[00:04:06] James elaborates on his focus on GitHub metrics, the development of policy and tooling for security, and simplifying developers’ workflow.
\n\n[00:04:51] Justin categorizes metrics into those for maintainers, for management, and for developers making decisions on dependencies. He talks about challenges in managing the scale of data from 13,000 repositories and the importance of security metrics.
\n\n[00:05:37] Emma discusses an experiment with the OpenSSF scorecard for repository security and the effort to motivate improvements in this area. She highlights the challenges of instilling these practices as part of the culture.
\n\n[00:07:30] Justin sees opportunities to combine CHAOSS metrics with secure supply chain efforts, aiming to aid developers in making informed decisions about dependencies and warning them of potential risks.
\n\n[00:09:11] Dawn asks about the challenges of scaling metrics and managing the vast number of dependencies. Justin responds by describing an experience focused on aiding developers at the start of a project, helping them make data-informed choices about a few key dependencies.
\n\n[00:12:51] Emma adds that from the Open Source Programs Office (OSPO) perspective, having a dashboard to direct inquiries is very helpful. James mentions that the dashboard also provides an easy way to surface security guidance.
\n\n[00:13:27] The conversation shifts to Dawn asking about the business aspect of open source within Microsoft and how they measure this impact. James responds that open source is integral to Microsoft’s software development approach, aiming to build an internal community and avoid duplicating solutions. He also discusses the importance of Software Bill of Materials (SBOMs) for security and supply chain transparency.
\n\n[00:16:00] Emma elaborates on the internal value of external open source contributions, sharing how they help maintainers demonstrate the business impact during reviews.
\n\n[00:17:14] Dawn inquiries about the future direction for Microsoft regarding metrics and measurement. Justin touches on exploring the area of funding, aiming to improve conversations about financial contributions to open source projects and achieving better return on investment.
\n\n[00:19:10] James mentions that their package selection work for developers has been inspired by CHAOSS metrics, suggesting that these insights be shared in OSPO working group meetings.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\n*Panelist: *
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nGuests:
\n\nEmma Irwin
\n\nJustin Gosses
\n\nJames Siri
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOSS Project Viability: Compliance + Security
\n\nElinor Ostrom: An Intellectual Biography by Vlad Tarko
Special Guests: Emma Irwin, James Siri, and Justin Gosses.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, host Dawn Foster has a compelling discussion with three guests from Microsoft’s Open Source Programs Office: Emma Irwin, James Siri, and Justin Gosses. The conversation includes how Microsoft measures the health of open source communities, their experiences with the CHAOSS Community, and the critical role of open source within the organization. Topics such as use of metrics, tackling security issues within scaling, and the future of metrics within the company were discussed. Also, they talk about the value of open source contributions within the business, the role of internal communities, and how they track and improve processes at Microsoft, emphasizing the importance of open source impact both externally and internally.","date_published":"2024-01-16T10:45:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/457b57bd-952f-423a-a6d5-bf81fa8fed3d.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":54456195,"duration_in_seconds":1361}]},{"id":"fc283f7c-ca53-4507-9ed4-bfff3ae6cb52","title":"Episode 76: CHAOSS Goals for 2024 and Beyond","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/76","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 75\n\nIn this episode, host Georg is joined by CHAOSS members, Sean, Nicole, Matt, Elizabeth, and Dawn. Today, they delve into the CHAOSS Project’s goals for 2024 and beyond, highlighting efforts to establish CHAOSS metrics and models as formal international standards. The conversation covers their potential ISO standardization, strategies to grow the user community, the importance of increasing collaboration within the CHAOSS contributor community, and enhancing software contributions, acknowledging the need to value non-code contributions. They also touch on the importance of community engagement and the utility of hosted software solutions to make CHAOSS tools more accessible. We are all excited to see where this new journey takes us, and we would love for you to be a part of this journey. Hit download now to hear more! \n\n[00:02:57] The first goal discussed is to establish CHAOSS metrics and metrics models as formal international standards. Matt explains the intention to turn CHAOSS metrics into ISO standards and the early stages of this process with the Joint Development Foundation. \n\n[00:04:37] Dawn adds that having ISO standards will lend more legitimacy and visibility to their metrics. Georg differentiates between de facto standards and the goal of achieving de jure international standards.\n\n[00:06:42] The second goal is creating outreach processes and plans to promote CHAOSS and grow the user community. Nicole talks about increasing awareness and visibility of the CHAOSS Project, developing key messages, a marketing plan, and a roadmap for engagement. \n\n[00:10:20] Sean emphasizes the importance of deliberate and consistent communication. Elizabeth looks forward to sharing their outreach strategies with other open source communities. Dawn discusses focusing on user communities to distinguish them from contributors and to support user growth. \n\n[00:12:42] The third goal is to increase collaboration within the CHAOSS contributor community, with Elizabeth noting the importance of focusing on both user and contributor communities. She discusses different ways to enhance software contributions within CHAOSS and highlights the challenge of recognizing and appreciating non-code contributions, which will be a focus area for improvement. \n\n[00:14:37] Elizabeth talks about strengthening visibility and explicit partnerships with other communities and organizations, attending more events to evangelize CHAOSS and attract new community members, encouraging blogging among community members to support outreach and contribution growth, with a shoutout to Gary White’s work at Verizon, and mentorship programs within CHAOSS. \n\n[00:16:41] Sean agrees on the interconnected nature of efforts to foster community engagement. Elizabeth notes that non-code contributors like project managers and community managers bring valuable skills to the community, Nicole echoes the importance of non-code contributions, Matt reflects on the complexity of community engagement. \n\n[00:20:00] Georg appreciates the ‘Chaotic of the Week’ feature for its community-building benefits. He then brings up the topic of the fourth goal which is to provide hosted software as a service for consuming CHAOSS metrics, and Sean discusses the goal of providing hosted solutions to facilitate access to CHAOSS software and metrics, mentioning a survey that highlighted installation difficulties, and highlights the OSS Compass Project. \n\n[00:23:50] Dawn supports the idea of SaaS solutions for the CHAOSS software to allow less technical users to trial and decide on the best fit for their needs, Matt highlights the benefit of SaaS solutions in reducing resource constraints for different types of organizations engaging with CHAOSS metrics and models, and Georg discusses the synergy between providing hosted SaaS offerings and creating outreach processes to grow the CHAOSS user community. \n\n[00:25:15] Georg brings up the fifth goal and that is how do we provide guidance to use it and the goal is to use driven data insights to provide recommendations that help people generate new insights for their communities. Dawn shares her thoughts and mentions collaborating with various context working groups to understand their unique needs and to help interpret metric accordingly, and the creation of ‘insight guides.’\n\n[00:32:38] Dawn mentions the formation of a new data science working group with plans to involve the community in writing insight guides. Georg shares insights from a study on project health metrics and their correlation with usage data.\n\n[00:34:42] The sixth goal is discussed to evolve data policies to accommodate emerging technologies like artificial intelligence, recognizing that this an area not yet fully addressed, but is important for the future. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:37:10] Georg’s pick is a research project he did with Sophia Vargas on metrics. \n[00:37:42] Dawn’s pick is an article published in ACM, called “Beyond the Repository.”\n[00:38:28] Nicole’s pick is the book, Shoe Dog by Phil Knight.\n[00:39:29] Sean’s pick is the book, Becoming Human: A Theory of Ontogeny by Michael Tomasello.\n[00:40:15] Matt’s pick is his family coming home for the holidays.\n[00:40:41] Elizabeth’s pick is reading about this fascinating expedition into the Cyclops Mountains.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\nGeorg Link\n\nDawn Foster\n\nMatt Germonprez\n\nSean Goggins\n\nNicole Huesman\n\nElizabeth Barron\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nMatt Germonprez \n\nSean Goggins \n\nNicole Huesman X/Twitter\n\nElizabeth Barron X/Twitter\n\nJoint Development Foundation\n\nMetrics for OSS Viability by Gary White-CHAOSS Blog\n\nCHAOSSweekly \n\nAugur NEW Release v0.60.2\n\nAugur Documentation \n\nOSS Compass Project Information-GitHub\n\n“Beyond the Repository” written by Amanda Casari, Julia Ferraioli, and Juniper Lovato\n\nShoe Dog by Phil Night\n\nBecoming Human: A Theory of Ontogeny by Michael Tomasello\n\nExpedition Cyclops","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 75
\n\nIn this episode, host Georg is joined by CHAOSS members, Sean, Nicole, Matt, Elizabeth, and Dawn. Today, they delve into the CHAOSS Project’s goals for 2024 and beyond, highlighting efforts to establish CHAOSS metrics and models as formal international standards. The conversation covers their potential ISO standardization, strategies to grow the user community, the importance of increasing collaboration within the CHAOSS contributor community, and enhancing software contributions, acknowledging the need to value non-code contributions. They also touch on the importance of community engagement and the utility of hosted software solutions to make CHAOSS tools more accessible. We are all excited to see where this new journey takes us, and we would love for you to be a part of this journey. Hit download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:02:57] The first goal discussed is to establish CHAOSS metrics and metrics models as formal international standards. Matt explains the intention to turn CHAOSS metrics into ISO standards and the early stages of this process with the Joint Development Foundation.
\n\n[00:04:37] Dawn adds that having ISO standards will lend more legitimacy and visibility to their metrics. Georg differentiates between de facto standards and the goal of achieving de jure international standards.
\n\n[00:06:42] The second goal is creating outreach processes and plans to promote CHAOSS and grow the user community. Nicole talks about increasing awareness and visibility of the CHAOSS Project, developing key messages, a marketing plan, and a roadmap for engagement.
\n\n[00:10:20] Sean emphasizes the importance of deliberate and consistent communication. Elizabeth looks forward to sharing their outreach strategies with other open source communities. Dawn discusses focusing on user communities to distinguish them from contributors and to support user growth.
\n\n[00:12:42] The third goal is to increase collaboration within the CHAOSS contributor community, with Elizabeth noting the importance of focusing on both user and contributor communities. She discusses different ways to enhance software contributions within CHAOSS and highlights the challenge of recognizing and appreciating non-code contributions, which will be a focus area for improvement.
\n\n[00:14:37] Elizabeth talks about strengthening visibility and explicit partnerships with other communities and organizations, attending more events to evangelize CHAOSS and attract new community members, encouraging blogging among community members to support outreach and contribution growth, with a shoutout to Gary White’s work at Verizon, and mentorship programs within CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:16:41] Sean agrees on the interconnected nature of efforts to foster community engagement. Elizabeth notes that non-code contributors like project managers and community managers bring valuable skills to the community, Nicole echoes the importance of non-code contributions, Matt reflects on the complexity of community engagement.
\n\n[00:20:00] Georg appreciates the ‘Chaotic of the Week’ feature for its community-building benefits. He then brings up the topic of the fourth goal which is to provide hosted software as a service for consuming CHAOSS metrics, and Sean discusses the goal of providing hosted solutions to facilitate access to CHAOSS software and metrics, mentioning a survey that highlighted installation difficulties, and highlights the OSS Compass Project.
\n\n[00:23:50] Dawn supports the idea of SaaS solutions for the CHAOSS software to allow less technical users to trial and decide on the best fit for their needs, Matt highlights the benefit of SaaS solutions in reducing resource constraints for different types of organizations engaging with CHAOSS metrics and models, and Georg discusses the synergy between providing hosted SaaS offerings and creating outreach processes to grow the CHAOSS user community.
\n\n[00:25:15] Georg brings up the fifth goal and that is how do we provide guidance to use it and the goal is to use driven data insights to provide recommendations that help people generate new insights for their communities. Dawn shares her thoughts and mentions collaborating with various context working groups to understand their unique needs and to help interpret metric accordingly, and the creation of ‘insight guides.’
\n\n[00:32:38] Dawn mentions the formation of a new data science working group with plans to involve the community in writing insight guides. Georg shares insights from a study on project health metrics and their correlation with usage data.
\n\n[00:34:42] The sixth goal is discussed to evolve data policies to accommodate emerging technologies like artificial intelligence, recognizing that this an area not yet fully addressed, but is important for the future.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGeorg Link
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nMatt Germonprez
\n\nSean Goggins
\n\nNicole Huesman
\n\nElizabeth Barron
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMetrics for OSS Viability by Gary White-CHAOSS Blog
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOSS Compass Project Information-GitHub
\n\n“Beyond the Repository” written by Amanda Casari, Julia Ferraioli, and Juniper Lovato
\n\n\n\nBecoming Human: A Theory of Ontogeny by Michael Tomasello
\n\n","summary":"In this episode, host Georg is joined by CHAOSS members, Sean, Nicole, Matt, Elizabeth, and Dawn. Today, they delve into the CHAOSS Project’s goals for 2024 and beyond, highlighting efforts to establish CHAOSS metrics and models as formal international standards. The conversation covers their potential ISO standardization, strategies to grow the user community, the importance of increasing collaboration within the CHAOSS contributor community, and enhancing software contributions, acknowledging the need to value non-code contributions. They also touch on the importance of community engagement and the utility of hosted software solutions to make CHAOSS tools more accessible. We are all excited to see where this new journey takes us, and we would love for you to be a part of this journey. ","date_published":"2024-01-01T07:30:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/fc283f7c-ca53-4507-9ed4-bfff3ae6cb52.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":82270392,"duration_in_seconds":2561}]},{"id":"41ea746c-ec1c-4796-a39a-1b3bf8e52917","title":"Episode 75: DEI Metrics Overcoming Social Barriers in OSS","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/75","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 76\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, Georg and Dawn have a conversation with guest, Anita Ihuman, about the vital subject of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) metrics within open source communities. Anita, who’s a developer advocate and technical writer, shares her research about how DEI metrics are used and their effectiveness. They discuss the importance of documenting DEI efforts, reflect on the challenges faced by communities in improving inclusivity, and share success stories of events that have leveraged CHAOSS DEI badges to enhance participant experiences. Also, Anita encourages everyone to explore the comprehensive research findings for further insights. Download this episode now to hear more! \n\n[00:02:38] Anita explains her background and interest in the research, and her curiosity about the usage and effectiveness of DEI metrics, especially for underrepresented groups. \n\n[00:04:36] Georg asks about Anita’s aspirations for academic publication, and she shares surprising findings from her research, including lack of codes of conduct in many open source communities and the perception of DEI as a myth in some legacy projects. \n\n[00:09:23] Anita provides examples of projects using DEI metrics, like Apache Traffic Control and the Apache Diversity and Inclusion project. \n\n[00:12:24] Dawn asks which DEI metrics should be prioritized by communities looking to improve. Anita suggests focusing on leadership and governance as starting points for improving diversity and inclusivity, along with mentorship and sponsorship opportunities. \n\n[00:14:52] Georg asks about the use of DIMD files (“ALL in project”) and Anita tells us she didn’t encounter using it since it was introduced after her interviews were completed. However, one participant mentioned it could aid in championing DEI efforts. \n\n[00:15:58] Anita touches upon an article, “An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation,” about challenges in funding applications and considers how CHAOSS metrics could help in such situations, particularly with sponsorship. \n\n[00:17:17] Dawn brings up concerns about using DEI metrics, and Anita discusses the potential flaws in DEI metrics, noting how differences in culture and background could affect the perception of norms and inclusivity, and stresses the importance of considering global perspectives in DEI metrics. \n\n[00:20:02] The discussion shifts to the discussion to DEI metrics for events and Georg notes the increasing adoption of these metrics by event organizers. Anita says the event badges program is popular and shares positive feedback on its impact on participation and overall event experience.\n\n[00:24:20] Anita shares an example of the Open Source Community Africa event’s improved experience after adopting the DEI badge, emphasizing its positive feedback.\n\n[00:25:04] Georg and Anita discuss how the CHAOSS DEI badging helps event organizers implement DEI metrics, acting as a mirror to reflect on inclusivity and diversity. \n\n[00:28:09] Anita shares that she sees the research as enlightening, offering various perspectives on the potential of DEI metrics in the open source community. She encourages everyone to read the article for further insights. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:29:43] Georg’s pick is doing the German tradition of Advent calendars.\n[00:31:14] Dawn’s pick is getting a carbon dioxide monitor for her office to encourage her to open her window for a few minutes to get some fresh air. \n[00:31:57] Anita’s pick is seeing this research come to an end and the possibility of taking these findings further. \n\n\nPanelists:\n\nGeorg Link\n\nDawn Foster\n\nGuest:\n\nAnita Ihuman\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nDawn Foster X/Twitter\n\nAnita Ihuman GitHub\n\nAnita Ihuman X/Twitter\n\nUnveiling the Impact: DEI Metrics Overcoming Social Barriers in Open Source-Blog Post by Anita Ihuman\n\nAn Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 36:CHAOSS DEI Badging Initiative with Rachel Braun and Celia Stamps\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 54:CHAOSS DEI Reflection Project\n\nCHAOSScon Europe 2024\n\nApache Traffic Control\n\nApache Diversity and InclusionSpecial Guest: Anita ihuman.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 76
\n\nIn this episode of CHAOSScast, Georg and Dawn have a conversation with guest, Anita Ihuman, about the vital subject of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) metrics within open source communities. Anita, who’s a developer advocate and technical writer, shares her research about how DEI metrics are used and their effectiveness. They discuss the importance of documenting DEI efforts, reflect on the challenges faced by communities in improving inclusivity, and share success stories of events that have leveraged CHAOSS DEI badges to enhance participant experiences. Also, Anita encourages everyone to explore the comprehensive research findings for further insights. Download this episode now to hear more!
\n\n[00:02:38] Anita explains her background and interest in the research, and her curiosity about the usage and effectiveness of DEI metrics, especially for underrepresented groups.
\n\n[00:04:36] Georg asks about Anita’s aspirations for academic publication, and she shares surprising findings from her research, including lack of codes of conduct in many open source communities and the perception of DEI as a myth in some legacy projects.
\n\n[00:09:23] Anita provides examples of projects using DEI metrics, like Apache Traffic Control and the Apache Diversity and Inclusion project.
\n\n[00:12:24] Dawn asks which DEI metrics should be prioritized by communities looking to improve. Anita suggests focusing on leadership and governance as starting points for improving diversity and inclusivity, along with mentorship and sponsorship opportunities.
\n\n[00:14:52] Georg asks about the use of DIMD files (“ALL in project”) and Anita tells us she didn’t encounter using it since it was introduced after her interviews were completed. However, one participant mentioned it could aid in championing DEI efforts.
\n\n[00:15:58] Anita touches upon an article, “An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation,” about challenges in funding applications and considers how CHAOSS metrics could help in such situations, particularly with sponsorship.
\n\n[00:17:17] Dawn brings up concerns about using DEI metrics, and Anita discusses the potential flaws in DEI metrics, noting how differences in culture and background could affect the perception of norms and inclusivity, and stresses the importance of considering global perspectives in DEI metrics.
\n\n[00:20:02] The discussion shifts to the discussion to DEI metrics for events and Georg notes the increasing adoption of these metrics by event organizers. Anita says the event badges program is popular and shares positive feedback on its impact on participation and overall event experience.
\n\n[00:24:20] Anita shares an example of the Open Source Community Africa event’s improved experience after adopting the DEI badge, emphasizing its positive feedback.
\n\n[00:25:04] Georg and Anita discuss how the CHAOSS DEI badging helps event organizers implement DEI metrics, acting as a mirror to reflect on inclusivity and diversity.
\n\n[00:28:09] Anita shares that she sees the research as enlightening, offering various perspectives on the potential of DEI metrics in the open source community. She encourages everyone to read the article for further insights.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGeorg Link
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nGuest:
\n\nAnita Ihuman
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAn Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation
\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 36:CHAOSS DEI Badging Initiative with Rachel Braun and Celia Stamps
\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 54:CHAOSS DEI Reflection Project
\n\n\n\n\n\nApache Diversity and Inclusion
Special Guest: Anita ihuman.
","summary":"In this episode of CHAOSScast, Georg and Dawn have a conversation with guest, Anita Ihuman, about the vital subject of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) metrics within open source communities. Anita, who’s a developer advocate and technical writer, shares her research about how DEI metrics are used and their effectiveness. They discuss the importance of documenting DEI efforts, reflect on the challenges faced by communities in improving inclusivity, and share success stories of events that have leveraged CHAOSS DEI badges to enhance participant experiences. Also, Anita encourages everyone to explore the comprehensive research findings for further insights.","date_published":"2023-12-19T01:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/41ea746c-ec1c-4796-a39a-1b3bf8e52917.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":79133810,"duration_in_seconds":1970}]},{"id":"0ce2e3de-7547-4007-8149-d81ec93386d3","title":"Episode 74: Building on Top of CHAOSS Software","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/74","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 74\n\nOn this episode, our host Georg Link kicks off the discussion, introducing a stellar lineup of panelists including Sean Goggins, Yehui Wang, Mike Nolan, and Cali Dolfi. The topics discussed today are the CHAOSS software, Augur, and GrimoireLab, and the different applications built on top of this software. The panel members discuss the projects they are involved in, such as the Augur project, OSS Compass, and Project Aspen’s 8Knot. Then, we’ll delve into Mystic’s prototype software, aiming to transform how academic contributions are recognized and valued. The discussion dives deep into the role of CHAOSS software in open source and community health, talks about Augur and GrimoireLab projects, ecosystem-level analysis, and data visualization. Press download now to hear more! \n\n[00:00:58] The panelists each introduce themselves. \n\n[00:03:03] Georg explains the origins of CHAOSS software, particularly Augur and Grimoire Lab, and their development. He dives into Grimoire Lab’s focus on data quality, flexibility, and its identity management tool, Sorting Hat.\n\n[00:05:55] Sean details Augur’s inception, its focus on a relational database, and its capabilities in data collection and validation. Georg and Sean recall Augur’s early days, focusing on GitHub archive data, and its evolution into a comprehensive system.\n\n[00:09:28] Yehui discusses OSS Compass, its goals, the integration of metrics models, and the choice of using Grimoire Lab as a backend. He elaborates on OSS Compass’s ease of use and the adoption of new data sources like Gitee.\n\n[00:14:16] Mike inquires about the handling of the vast number of repositories on Gitee, and Yehui explains using a message bus and RabbitMQ for both data handling and parallel processing. Sean clarifies that Gitee is a Git platform similar to GitHub and GitLab, and OSS Compass is the metrics and modeling tool.\n\n[00:15:29] Cali asks about the visualization tool used, and Yehui mentions moving away from Kibana to front-end technologies and libraries like ECharts for creating visualizations, which is an Apache open source project. \n\n[00:16:29] Cali describes 8Knot under Project Aspen built in Plotly Dash and Repel, focusing on mapping open source ecosystems using Augur data. She emphasizes the data science approach to analyzing open source communities and the templated nature of 8Knot for easy visualization creation by data scientists. \n\n[00:20:19] Sean comments on the ease of adding new visualizations with Dash Plotly technology in 8Knot. Cali adds that new visualizations can be easily made an that 8Knot is connected to a maintained Augur database but can also be forked for specific community and company needs. \n\n[00:2342] Georg underlines the importance of ecosystem-level analysis, especially for software supply chain security. Cali shares the goals of analyzing ecosystems to understand relationships between projects, influenced by Red Hat’s interests in investing in interconnected communities. \n\n[00:26:30] The conversation shifts to Mystic, and Mike describes it as a prototype software integrating both GrimoireLab and Augur, with the goal of better integrating these projects through development. \n\n[00:27:30] Mike outlines Mystic’s goal to serve as a front-end to date collection systems, with a specific focus on the academic community’s contributions to technology research. He envisions Mystic as a tool for academics to measure community health and impact of their projects, aiding in tenure and promotion cases.\n\n[00:30:52] Yehui asks about integration of Grimoire Lab and Augur within Mystic and the selection of components for the solution. Mike explains the early stages of integration and the plan to combine data collection services from GrimoireLab into Augur to support undergraduate student development. \n\n[00:32:30] Mike details research on Mystic, including interviews with faculty from various departments to understand their digital collaboration and artifact creation. He aims to develop generalized models of collaboration applicable to multiple data sources, allowing systems like Mystic to support diverse academic disciplines. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:36:26] Georg’s pick is focusing on the slogan, “One day at a time.” \n[00:37:12] Cali’s pick is doing a Friendsgiving this week. \n[00:38:08] Sean’s pick is the launch of the tv show ‘Moonlighting’ from the 80’s.\n[00:38:49] Yehui’s pick is riding his bike to work which is peaceful for him.\n[00:39:52] Mike’s pick is attending The Turing Way Book Dash. \n\n\nPanelists:\n\nGeorg Link\n\nSean Goggins\n\nMichael Nolan\n\nCali Dolfi\n\nYehui Wang\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project X/Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nFord Foundation\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nSean Goggins Website\n\nMike Nolan LinkedIn\n\nCali Dolfi LinkedIn\n\nYehui Wang GitHub\n\nAugur\n\nGrimoireLab\n\nPerceval-GitHub\n\nGitee\n\nRabbitMQ\n\nOSS Compass-GitHub\n\nKibana\n\nApache ECharts\n\n8Knot\n\nBuilding an open source community health analytics platform (Mystic)\n\nThe Turing Way Book DashesSpecial Guests: Cali Dolfi, Mike Nolan, and Yehui Wang.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 74
\n\nOn this episode, our host Georg Link kicks off the discussion, introducing a stellar lineup of panelists including Sean Goggins, Yehui Wang, Mike Nolan, and Cali Dolfi. The topics discussed today are the CHAOSS software, Augur, and GrimoireLab, and the different applications built on top of this software. The panel members discuss the projects they are involved in, such as the Augur project, OSS Compass, and Project Aspen’s 8Knot. Then, we’ll delve into Mystic’s prototype software, aiming to transform how academic contributions are recognized and valued. The discussion dives deep into the role of CHAOSS software in open source and community health, talks about Augur and GrimoireLab projects, ecosystem-level analysis, and data visualization. Press download now to hear more!
\n\n[00:00:58] The panelists each introduce themselves.
\n\n[00:03:03] Georg explains the origins of CHAOSS software, particularly Augur and Grimoire Lab, and their development. He dives into Grimoire Lab’s focus on data quality, flexibility, and its identity management tool, Sorting Hat.
\n\n[00:05:55] Sean details Augur’s inception, its focus on a relational database, and its capabilities in data collection and validation. Georg and Sean recall Augur’s early days, focusing on GitHub archive data, and its evolution into a comprehensive system.
\n\n[00:09:28] Yehui discusses OSS Compass, its goals, the integration of metrics models, and the choice of using Grimoire Lab as a backend. He elaborates on OSS Compass’s ease of use and the adoption of new data sources like Gitee.
\n\n[00:14:16] Mike inquires about the handling of the vast number of repositories on Gitee, and Yehui explains using a message bus and RabbitMQ for both data handling and parallel processing. Sean clarifies that Gitee is a Git platform similar to GitHub and GitLab, and OSS Compass is the metrics and modeling tool.
\n\n[00:15:29] Cali asks about the visualization tool used, and Yehui mentions moving away from Kibana to front-end technologies and libraries like ECharts for creating visualizations, which is an Apache open source project.
\n\n[00:16:29] Cali describes 8Knot under Project Aspen built in Plotly Dash and Repel, focusing on mapping open source ecosystems using Augur data. She emphasizes the data science approach to analyzing open source communities and the templated nature of 8Knot for easy visualization creation by data scientists.
\n\n[00:20:19] Sean comments on the ease of adding new visualizations with Dash Plotly technology in 8Knot. Cali adds that new visualizations can be easily made an that 8Knot is connected to a maintained Augur database but can also be forked for specific community and company needs.
\n\n[00:2342] Georg underlines the importance of ecosystem-level analysis, especially for software supply chain security. Cali shares the goals of analyzing ecosystems to understand relationships between projects, influenced by Red Hat’s interests in investing in interconnected communities.
\n\n[00:26:30] The conversation shifts to Mystic, and Mike describes it as a prototype software integrating both GrimoireLab and Augur, with the goal of better integrating these projects through development.
\n\n[00:27:30] Mike outlines Mystic’s goal to serve as a front-end to date collection systems, with a specific focus on the academic community’s contributions to technology research. He envisions Mystic as a tool for academics to measure community health and impact of their projects, aiding in tenure and promotion cases.
\n\n[00:30:52] Yehui asks about integration of Grimoire Lab and Augur within Mystic and the selection of components for the solution. Mike explains the early stages of integration and the plan to combine data collection services from GrimoireLab into Augur to support undergraduate student development.
\n\n[00:32:30] Mike details research on Mystic, including interviews with faculty from various departments to understand their digital collaboration and artifact creation. He aims to develop generalized models of collaboration applicable to multiple data sources, allowing systems like Mystic to support diverse academic disciplines.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGeorg Link
\n\nSean Goggins
\n\nMichael Nolan
\n\nCali Dolfi
\n\nYehui Wang
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBuilding an open source community health analytics platform (Mystic)
\n\nSpecial Guests: Cali Dolfi, Mike Nolan, and Yehui Wang.
","summary":"On this episode, our host Georg Link kicks off the discussion, introducing a stellar lineup of panelists including Sean Goggins, Yehui Wang, Mike Nolan, and Cali Dolfi. The topics discussed today are the CHAOSS software, Augur, and GrimoireLab, and the different applications built on top of this software. The panel members discuss the projects they are involved in, such as the Augur project, OSS Compass, and Project Aspen’s 8Knot. Then, we’ll delve into Mystic’s prototype software, aiming to transform how academic contributions are recognized and valued. The discussion dives deep into the role of CHAOSS software in open source and community health, talks about Augur and GrimoireLab projects, ecosystem-level analysis, and data visualization. Press download now to hear more! ","date_published":"2023-11-21T06:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/0ce2e3de-7547-4007-8149-d81ec93386d3.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":80419172,"duration_in_seconds":2513}]},{"id":"c6d91ac0-a747-4f3c-8af4-a17427777335","title":"Episode 73: Reflections on the LF OSS Maintainer Report","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/73","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 73\n\nIn today’s episode, the conversation dives deep into the Linux Foundation Research Open Source Maintainers Report. Georg, Alyssa, Dawn, Sophia, and Anita engage in a thoughtful discussion about the report's methodology, findings, and implications for open source projects. They explore topics such as the challenges of obtaining a representative sample in open source research, the bias toward technical contributors, and the importance of considering the long-term engagement lifecycle of contributors. Additionally, they touch upon the report's best practices, including documentation and diversity, and how these practices can be connected across different categories. Download this episode now to learn more! \n\n[00:2:50] Georg discusses the two main sections of the report: demographics of maintainers and contributors and maintainer best practices. He asks for thoughts and questions about the report.\n\n[00:03:13] Alyssa expresses curiosity about the methodology, the number of interviews (32), and the diversity of projects covered in the research. Dawn shares her perspective on the number of interviews, stating that in-depth qualitative interviews can lead to convergence on key topics. \n\n[00:05:32] Sophia discusses the challenges of obtaining a representative sample in open source research and mentions the effort to increase diversity in project types. She highlights the discussion of findings in percentages and expresses that it may be more quantitative than typical interview-based research. \n\n[00:07:54] Dawn agrees with Sophia’s points and mentions her skepticism about percentages based on a small sample size. Georg mentions concerns about small sample sizes affecting the ability to make claims, especially with regards to best practices. \n\n[00:09:49] Alyssa expresses that some sections of the report resonated with her, while others, like the funding and satisfaction sections, did not. She questions the methodology and the types of questions asked. Sophia responds, mentioning the challenges of sampling in open source research and how the findings resonated with her to some extent. She highlights the issue of funding and its potential impact on open source community culture. \n\n[00:13:24] Georg asks if the findings and best practices aligned with their understanding the methodology helped in interpreting the findings. Anita adds her perspective, mentioning that the research highlights the transition from contributors to maintainers but raises questions about the representation of non-technical contributors.\n\n[00:14:45] Alyssa notes the term “super coders” used in the report and how it implies a technical background for maintainers. Dawn and Anita express concerns about bias towards technical contributors and the exclusion of non-technical contributors in the research. Sophia acknowledges the bias in open source data and the need for more inclusive understanding of contributors. \n\n[00:17:19] Georg raises the intriguing issue of maintainers being paid but feeling unsupported by their organizations. Dawn shares her experience of challenges in justifying promotions for open source developers within companies, and the visibility issue of open source work within organizations. \n\n[00:19:33] Alyssa highlights the tension between company priorities and open source community priorities, and the balancing act that open source developers have to manage while wearing multiple hats, and Sophia shares her thoughts on this. \n\n[00:21:53] Georg transitions the discussion to the best practices section of the report, and Anita shares that she finds the documentation, especially when engineers are tasked with writing it. She discusses issues related to technical jargon and the usability of documentation.\n\n[00:24:00] Georg acknowledges the recuring challenge of documentation in open source projects and mentions the importance of considering different learning styles when creating documentation. Alyssa suggests that there could be opportunities to connect best practices across different categories. \n\n[00:26:27] Now the conversation shifts towards the diversity section of the report, where Georg discusses the lack of well-structured diversity efforts in many open source projects. \n\n[00:28:09] Sophia comments about the identifiable interviews in the research, noting that having named participants may have limited the depth of the diversity discussion due to privacy concerns. Alyssa comments on the decision to have identifiable interviews and highlights that it influenced the way the research results were presented, including the discussion on diversity. \n\n[00:30:41] Georg brings up the connection between the discussion in the report and the work being done in the CHAOSS Project. Dawn emphasizes the importance of thinking about metrics and how they can be applied in open source projects, and she provides examples of how metrics can be used to measure specific aspects of project health. \n\n[00:32:43] Alyssa expresses curiosity about what others think of the report’s conclusion and the attributes table, which suggests a strategy for project health assessment and improvement. \n\n[00:33:30] Georg shares his perspective on the conclusion and mentions that the strategy for improving project health based on complexity and lifecycle stages seems self-evident. Sophia mentions that it doesn’t fully address the lifecycle of contributors beyond the onboarding phase and points out there is a lack of discussion about when contributors may want to step away from a project and the issue of aging out of longstanding projects.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:36:44] Georg’s pick is visits from families. \n[00:37:08] Anita’s pick is recently getting her Bachelor of Science in Microbiology and wondering what her next steps are. \n[00:37:39] Dawn’s pick is walks around the Old Town section of her neighborhood seeing really old buildings.\n[00:38:18] Alyssa’s pick is the sun and seeing a Yayoi Kusama art show.\n[00:39:14] Sophia’s pick is making a lot of homemade herbal tea.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\nGeorg Link\n\nDawn Foster\n\nSophia Vargas\n\nAlyssa Wright\n\nAnita ihuman\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nFord Foundation\n\nGeorg Link LinkedIn\n\nDawn Foster Twitter\n\nSophia Vargas Twitter\n\nAlyssa Wright LinkedIn\n\nAnita ihuman Twitter\n\nLinux Foundation Research Open Source Maintainers July 2023 Report\n\nMozilla-Open Source Archetypes: A Framework For Purposeful Open Source\n\nYayoi KusamaSpecial Guests: Alyssa Wright and Anita ihuman.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 73
\n\nIn today’s episode, the conversation dives deep into the Linux Foundation Research Open Source Maintainers Report. Georg, Alyssa, Dawn, Sophia, and Anita engage in a thoughtful discussion about the report's methodology, findings, and implications for open source projects. They explore topics such as the challenges of obtaining a representative sample in open source research, the bias toward technical contributors, and the importance of considering the long-term engagement lifecycle of contributors. Additionally, they touch upon the report's best practices, including documentation and diversity, and how these practices can be connected across different categories. Download this episode now to learn more!
\n\n[00:2:50] Georg discusses the two main sections of the report: demographics of maintainers and contributors and maintainer best practices. He asks for thoughts and questions about the report.
\n\n[00:03:13] Alyssa expresses curiosity about the methodology, the number of interviews (32), and the diversity of projects covered in the research. Dawn shares her perspective on the number of interviews, stating that in-depth qualitative interviews can lead to convergence on key topics.
\n\n[00:05:32] Sophia discusses the challenges of obtaining a representative sample in open source research and mentions the effort to increase diversity in project types. She highlights the discussion of findings in percentages and expresses that it may be more quantitative than typical interview-based research.
\n\n[00:07:54] Dawn agrees with Sophia’s points and mentions her skepticism about percentages based on a small sample size. Georg mentions concerns about small sample sizes affecting the ability to make claims, especially with regards to best practices.
\n\n[00:09:49] Alyssa expresses that some sections of the report resonated with her, while others, like the funding and satisfaction sections, did not. She questions the methodology and the types of questions asked. Sophia responds, mentioning the challenges of sampling in open source research and how the findings resonated with her to some extent. She highlights the issue of funding and its potential impact on open source community culture.
\n\n[00:13:24] Georg asks if the findings and best practices aligned with their understanding the methodology helped in interpreting the findings. Anita adds her perspective, mentioning that the research highlights the transition from contributors to maintainers but raises questions about the representation of non-technical contributors.
\n\n[00:14:45] Alyssa notes the term “super coders” used in the report and how it implies a technical background for maintainers. Dawn and Anita express concerns about bias towards technical contributors and the exclusion of non-technical contributors in the research. Sophia acknowledges the bias in open source data and the need for more inclusive understanding of contributors.
\n\n[00:17:19] Georg raises the intriguing issue of maintainers being paid but feeling unsupported by their organizations. Dawn shares her experience of challenges in justifying promotions for open source developers within companies, and the visibility issue of open source work within organizations.
\n\n[00:19:33] Alyssa highlights the tension between company priorities and open source community priorities, and the balancing act that open source developers have to manage while wearing multiple hats, and Sophia shares her thoughts on this.
\n\n[00:21:53] Georg transitions the discussion to the best practices section of the report, and Anita shares that she finds the documentation, especially when engineers are tasked with writing it. She discusses issues related to technical jargon and the usability of documentation.
\n\n[00:24:00] Georg acknowledges the recuring challenge of documentation in open source projects and mentions the importance of considering different learning styles when creating documentation. Alyssa suggests that there could be opportunities to connect best practices across different categories.
\n\n[00:26:27] Now the conversation shifts towards the diversity section of the report, where Georg discusses the lack of well-structured diversity efforts in many open source projects.
\n\n[00:28:09] Sophia comments about the identifiable interviews in the research, noting that having named participants may have limited the depth of the diversity discussion due to privacy concerns. Alyssa comments on the decision to have identifiable interviews and highlights that it influenced the way the research results were presented, including the discussion on diversity.
\n\n[00:30:41] Georg brings up the connection between the discussion in the report and the work being done in the CHAOSS Project. Dawn emphasizes the importance of thinking about metrics and how they can be applied in open source projects, and she provides examples of how metrics can be used to measure specific aspects of project health.
\n\n[00:32:43] Alyssa expresses curiosity about what others think of the report’s conclusion and the attributes table, which suggests a strategy for project health assessment and improvement.
\n\n[00:33:30] Georg shares his perspective on the conclusion and mentions that the strategy for improving project health based on complexity and lifecycle stages seems self-evident. Sophia mentions that it doesn’t fully address the lifecycle of contributors beyond the onboarding phase and points out there is a lack of discussion about when contributors may want to step away from a project and the issue of aging out of longstanding projects.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGeorg Link
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nSophia Vargas
\n\nAlyssa Wright
\n\nAnita ihuman
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nLinux Foundation Research Open Source Maintainers July 2023 Report
\n\nMozilla-Open Source Archetypes: A Framework For Purposeful Open Source
\n\nSpecial Guests: Alyssa Wright and Anita ihuman.
","summary":"In today’s episode, the conversation dives deep into the Linux Foundation Research Open Source Maintainers Report. Georg, Alyssa, Dawn, Sophia, and Anita engage in a thoughtful discussion about the report's methodology, findings, and implications for open source projects. They explore topics such as the challenges of obtaining a representative sample in open source research, the bias toward technical contributors, and the importance of considering the long-term engagement lifecycle of contributors. Additionally, they touch upon the report's best practices, including documentation and diversity, and how these practices can be connected across different categories. Download this episode now to learn more! ","date_published":"2023-11-02T09:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/c6d91ac0-a747-4f3c-8af4-a17427777335.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":79848607,"duration_in_seconds":2485}]},{"id":"50277d87-eb15-4076-b291-e2aaa0f4ed71","title":"Episode 72: Open Source Software Viability and Project Selection","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/72","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 72\n\nIn this episode, our host, Matt Germonprez, is joined by Dawn Foster from the CHAOSS Community, Sophia Vargas from Google, and Gary White from Verizon. Today, they dive into the crucial topic of assessing the viability of open source projects for adoption within organizations. The discussion covers the intricacies of evaluating project viability, the challenges of project failure, and the necessity of continuous assessments. The panelists provide valuable insights on mitigating risks, leveraging metrics, and the importance of active engagement within open source communities. This episode offers a wealth of knowledge and practical advice for navigating the world of open source software. Download this episode now to hear more! \n\n[00:02:13] The discussion begins on the importance of assessing the viability of open source projects for adoption within organizations. Gary emphasizes the need to formalize the assessment of open source project viability beyond just technical metrics, Sophia stresses the importance of rigor in evaluating open source tools due to the lower barrier to adoption, and Dawn points out the importance of context, where the viability assessment depends on how the project is used within the organization. \n\n[00:06:32] The conversation shifts to when an open source project fails or changes significantly within an organization. Dawn discusses the challenges and uncertainty companies face when an open source project becomes unusable due to license changes or discontinuation, Sophia highlights the complexities and burdens of change management when a project fails, and Gary mentions the negative impact on morale and the time-consuming nature of dealing with project failures. \n\n[00:10:55] Sophia discusses the challenges in communication between project leaders and end users, particularly when projects are consumed through third-party package managers. Gary highlights the challenge of getting project leaders and developers motivated to assess project viability and the need for data-driven metrics to facilitate communication between leadership and implementation teams. \n\n[00:13:09] Dawn stresses the importance of continuous assessments of open source project viability rather than treating it as a one-time task.\n\n[00:14:06] How do we assess if a project is good? Dawn discusses her historical approach to assessing open source projects, which included manual assessments. \n\n[00:16:31] Gary emphasizes the common practice of engineers making quick project choices without thorough assessments due to the ease of finding solutions online. \n\n[00:19:41] Sophia highlights the importance of considering how a project is used within the organization and the strategic implications of choosing open source projects, especially in large organizations. \n\n[00:21:50] Matt asks about monitoring and mitigating risks when using open source projects that may not be ideal from a viability perspective but are popular. Dawn acknowledges that project viability is not binary and can vary in terms of risk, suggesting that contributing to open source projects can mitigate risks. \n\n[00:22:56] Gary emphasizes the importance of becoming engaged and active members of open source communities to gain insight into project changes and mitigate potential risks. \n\n[00 24:15] Sophia highlights the role of metrics and monitoring in risk mitigation, mentioning that tracking certain information may not be easy but it is crucial. Dawn notes the lack of ongoing viability monitoring and suggests the need for more sophisticated approaches. \n\n[00:26:37] Gary agrees that monitoring is essential and mentions a metric called “lib year” to track the age of dependencies as an example of monitoring for open source projects, and he discusses the importance of automated recommendations within software scanning tools to help users make informed decisions about dependencies. \n\n[00:28:27] Sophia addresses the challenge of scale when dealing with many open source projects, emphasizing the need to adapt monitoring and risk mitigation approaches based on the organization’s portfolio size. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:30:15] Matt’s pick is running in the dark on cool mornings. \n[00:30:33] Dawn’s pick is hanging out with people when she was at the Open Source Summit in Bilbao, Spain.\n[00:31:03] Sophia’s pick is joining an orchestra a few months ago.\n[00:31:41] Gary’s pick is having pumpkin spice back in his life. \n\n\n*Panelists: *\nMatt Germonprez\n\nDawn Foster\n\nSophia Vargas\n\nGary White\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nFord Foundation\n\nGeorg Link Twitter\n\nMatt Germonprez Twitter\n\nDawn Foster Twitter\n\nSophia Vargas Twitter\n\nGary White LinkedIn\n\nlibyear\n\nOSS Project Viability Metrics Models:\n\n\nOSS Project Viability: Community\n OSS Project Viability: Compliance + Security\n OSS Project Viability: Governance\nOSS Project Viability: Strategy\nSpecial Guest: Gary White.","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 72
\n\nIn this episode, our host, Matt Germonprez, is joined by Dawn Foster from the CHAOSS Community, Sophia Vargas from Google, and Gary White from Verizon. Today, they dive into the crucial topic of assessing the viability of open source projects for adoption within organizations. The discussion covers the intricacies of evaluating project viability, the challenges of project failure, and the necessity of continuous assessments. The panelists provide valuable insights on mitigating risks, leveraging metrics, and the importance of active engagement within open source communities. This episode offers a wealth of knowledge and practical advice for navigating the world of open source software. Download this episode now to hear more!
\n\n[00:02:13] The discussion begins on the importance of assessing the viability of open source projects for adoption within organizations. Gary emphasizes the need to formalize the assessment of open source project viability beyond just technical metrics, Sophia stresses the importance of rigor in evaluating open source tools due to the lower barrier to adoption, and Dawn points out the importance of context, where the viability assessment depends on how the project is used within the organization.
\n\n[00:06:32] The conversation shifts to when an open source project fails or changes significantly within an organization. Dawn discusses the challenges and uncertainty companies face when an open source project becomes unusable due to license changes or discontinuation, Sophia highlights the complexities and burdens of change management when a project fails, and Gary mentions the negative impact on morale and the time-consuming nature of dealing with project failures.
\n\n[00:10:55] Sophia discusses the challenges in communication between project leaders and end users, particularly when projects are consumed through third-party package managers. Gary highlights the challenge of getting project leaders and developers motivated to assess project viability and the need for data-driven metrics to facilitate communication between leadership and implementation teams.
\n\n[00:13:09] Dawn stresses the importance of continuous assessments of open source project viability rather than treating it as a one-time task.
\n\n[00:14:06] How do we assess if a project is good? Dawn discusses her historical approach to assessing open source projects, which included manual assessments.
\n\n[00:16:31] Gary emphasizes the common practice of engineers making quick project choices without thorough assessments due to the ease of finding solutions online.
\n\n[00:19:41] Sophia highlights the importance of considering how a project is used within the organization and the strategic implications of choosing open source projects, especially in large organizations.
\n\n[00:21:50] Matt asks about monitoring and mitigating risks when using open source projects that may not be ideal from a viability perspective but are popular. Dawn acknowledges that project viability is not binary and can vary in terms of risk, suggesting that contributing to open source projects can mitigate risks.
\n\n[00:22:56] Gary emphasizes the importance of becoming engaged and active members of open source communities to gain insight into project changes and mitigate potential risks.
\n\n[00 24:15] Sophia highlights the role of metrics and monitoring in risk mitigation, mentioning that tracking certain information may not be easy but it is crucial. Dawn notes the lack of ongoing viability monitoring and suggests the need for more sophisticated approaches.
\n\n[00:26:37] Gary agrees that monitoring is essential and mentions a metric called “lib year” to track the age of dependencies as an example of monitoring for open source projects, and he discusses the importance of automated recommendations within software scanning tools to help users make informed decisions about dependencies.
\n\n[00:28:27] Sophia addresses the challenge of scale when dealing with many open source projects, emphasizing the need to adapt monitoring and risk mitigation approaches based on the organization’s portfolio size.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\n*Panelists: *
\nMatt Germonprez
Dawn Foster
\n\nSophia Vargas
\n\nGary White
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOSS Project Viability Metrics Models:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Gary White.
","summary":"In this episode, our host, Matt Germonprez, is joined by Dawn Foster from the CHAOSS Community, Sophia Vargas from Google, and Gary White from Verizon. Today, they dive into the crucial topic of assessing the viability of open source projects for adoption within organizations. The discussion covers the intricacies of evaluating project viability, the challenges of project failure, and the necessity of continuous assessments. The panelists provide valuable insights on mitigating risks, leveraging metrics, and the importance of active engagement within open source communities. This episode offers a wealth of knowledge and practical advice for navigating the world of open source software. Download this episode now to hear more! ","date_published":"2023-10-19T07:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/50277d87-eb15-4076-b291-e2aaa0f4ed71.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":62970894,"duration_in_seconds":1958}]},{"id":"f7df3d23-cd7a-41d7-9ff9-c95e2c208200","title":"Episode 71: What's New in CHAOSS: Podcast Reboot Episode","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/71","content_text":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 71\n\nIn this episode, the CHAOSScast team is back! Georg Link, Dawn Foster, Sean Goggins, Matt Germonprez, and Elizabeth Barron discuss the relaunch of the podcast after taking a short break. They delve into the fascinating world of open source community health, focusing on metrics, metric models, and the CHAOSS Project’s role in measuring the health of open source communities. They share insights on how they’re working to make metrics more accessible and how they interpret these metrics within the context of specific projects. Additionally, they highlight the Data Science Initiative, the growth of CHAOSS community chapters worldwide, and their initiative to improve newcomer experience and promote diversity and inclusion in open source. Download this episode now to find out much more!\n\n[00:02:48] We hear more about where CHAOSS is with developing metrics and metric models and the Context Groups they’ve developed to bring together individuals interested in the health of specific projects or communities. \n\n[00:06:06] The Metric Development Process is brought up, which is the process of defining and releasing metrics has evolved. While some working groups still develop metrics, there’s an effort to consolidate and organize metrics to make them more accessible to users, including categorizing and tagging them. \n\n[00:08:11] Dawn brings up Metrics Models which are collections of metrics that provide insights into specific aspects of open source community health. These models help users understand various phenomena in open source software health and use metrics effectively. \n\n[00:12:14] Georg brings up something new called the Data Science Initiative within CHAOSS, and Dawn talks about her role as Director of Data Science. The initiative aims to provide guidance to users of CHAOSS metrics and tools for interpreting data effectively and she tells us all the key areas that it’s focused on. \n\n[00:16:14] Matt asks Dawn about the balance between maintain an agnostic stance on metrics and providing more guidance to users in interpreting metrics. Dawn discusses the importance of helping users interpret metrics in the context of their specific projects.\n\n[00:17:55] Georg and Dawn talk about using metrics as pointers to prompt users to investigate specific aspects of their communities and projects.\n\n[00:18:53] Elizabeth asks if CHAOSS should play a role in advising users on how to make changes in their communities based on metric insights without adversely affecting other metrics. Dawn shares her thoughts and Sean mentions the experience of CHAOSS members in evaluating different communities and interpreting metrics. \n\n[00:20:34] Georg expresses excitement about the future of CHAOSS and its journey.\n\n[00:21:54] Sean provides an overview of Augur and its evolution over time, including its ability to capture large volumes of data and the development of an API.\n\n[00:24:19] Georg discusses recent developments in Grimoire Lab, including multi tenancy support, scalability improvements, and optimization of data enrichment processes. He also talks about the migration of Grimoire Lab from Elasticsearch to OpenSearch for data storage and visualization, and Sorting Hat, a module within Grimoire Lab for managing identities. \n\n[00:27:40] Dawn asks about the future use of Kibiter, the Kibana fork used in Grimoire Lab, and Georg confirms a full migration to OpenSearch and Open Search Dashboards, indicating that Kibiter may be phased out. \n\n[00:28:52] Matt asks about recent challenges and achievements related to data management and data cleaning in Augur and Grimoire Lab. Sean mentions the importance of data in operationalizing metrics and making them tangible. Georg emphasizes two critical aspects of data quality.\n\n[00:33:32] Elizabeth shares insight into the growth of the CHAOSS community. She discusses the challenges of managing the growing community, and a group CHAOSS is partnering with called “All in” to develop badging for open source projects, addressing scalability challenges. \n\n[00:41:53] Elizabeth talks about the DEI Reflection Project which was crucial in identifying blind spots and improving the CHAOSS community. It led to valuable recommendations, including enhancing the newcomer experience and promoting diversity and inclusion. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:44:30] Georg’s pick is living in his new house that he loves.\n[00:45:11] Matt’s pick is his cool morning bike rides to his office. \n[00:45:44] Dawn’s pick is a warm, sunny vacation she took in Malta. \n[00:46:15] Elizabeth’s pick is seeing her granddaughter getting excited to see flowers, birds, mushrooms, and be out in nature. \n[00:46:48] Sean’s pick is his daughter, an English PHD student, who published her first academic paper, and has another up for a revise and resubmit. \n\n\n*Panelists: *\n\nGeorg Link\n\nDawn Foster\n\nMatt Germonprez\n\nSean Goggins\n\nElizabeth Barron\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Mastodon\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nFord Foundation\n\nGeorg Link Website\n\nDawn Foster Twitter\n\nMatt Germonprez Twitter\n\nSean Goggins Twitter\n\nElizabeth Barron Twitter\n\nCHAOSS Data Science Working Group\n\nData Science Initiative-Raw data from the Understanding Challenges survey\n\nAugur repositories\n\nProject Aspen\n\n8Knot-Metrix CHAOSS\n\nBitergia Analytics- GrimoireLab\n\nOpenSearch\n\nSorting Hat\n\nKibiter\n\nOpenSearch Dashboards\n\nAll In\n\nGitHub All in \n\nCHAOSS Software\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 54: CHAOSS DEI Reflection Project","content_html":"Thank you to the folks at Sustain for providing the hosting account for CHAOSSCast!
\n\nCHAOSScast – Episode 71
\n\nIn this episode, the CHAOSScast team is back! Georg Link, Dawn Foster, Sean Goggins, Matt Germonprez, and Elizabeth Barron discuss the relaunch of the podcast after taking a short break. They delve into the fascinating world of open source community health, focusing on metrics, metric models, and the CHAOSS Project’s role in measuring the health of open source communities. They share insights on how they’re working to make metrics more accessible and how they interpret these metrics within the context of specific projects. Additionally, they highlight the Data Science Initiative, the growth of CHAOSS community chapters worldwide, and their initiative to improve newcomer experience and promote diversity and inclusion in open source. Download this episode now to find out much more!
\n\n[00:02:48] We hear more about where CHAOSS is with developing metrics and metric models and the Context Groups they’ve developed to bring together individuals interested in the health of specific projects or communities.
\n\n[00:06:06] The Metric Development Process is brought up, which is the process of defining and releasing metrics has evolved. While some working groups still develop metrics, there’s an effort to consolidate and organize metrics to make them more accessible to users, including categorizing and tagging them.
\n\n[00:08:11] Dawn brings up Metrics Models which are collections of metrics that provide insights into specific aspects of open source community health. These models help users understand various phenomena in open source software health and use metrics effectively.
\n\n[00:12:14] Georg brings up something new called the Data Science Initiative within CHAOSS, and Dawn talks about her role as Director of Data Science. The initiative aims to provide guidance to users of CHAOSS metrics and tools for interpreting data effectively and she tells us all the key areas that it’s focused on.
\n\n[00:16:14] Matt asks Dawn about the balance between maintain an agnostic stance on metrics and providing more guidance to users in interpreting metrics. Dawn discusses the importance of helping users interpret metrics in the context of their specific projects.
\n\n[00:17:55] Georg and Dawn talk about using metrics as pointers to prompt users to investigate specific aspects of their communities and projects.
\n\n[00:18:53] Elizabeth asks if CHAOSS should play a role in advising users on how to make changes in their communities based on metric insights without adversely affecting other metrics. Dawn shares her thoughts and Sean mentions the experience of CHAOSS members in evaluating different communities and interpreting metrics.
\n\n[00:20:34] Georg expresses excitement about the future of CHAOSS and its journey.
\n\n[00:21:54] Sean provides an overview of Augur and its evolution over time, including its ability to capture large volumes of data and the development of an API.
\n\n[00:24:19] Georg discusses recent developments in Grimoire Lab, including multi tenancy support, scalability improvements, and optimization of data enrichment processes. He also talks about the migration of Grimoire Lab from Elasticsearch to OpenSearch for data storage and visualization, and Sorting Hat, a module within Grimoire Lab for managing identities.
\n\n[00:27:40] Dawn asks about the future use of Kibiter, the Kibana fork used in Grimoire Lab, and Georg confirms a full migration to OpenSearch and Open Search Dashboards, indicating that Kibiter may be phased out.
\n\n[00:28:52] Matt asks about recent challenges and achievements related to data management and data cleaning in Augur and Grimoire Lab. Sean mentions the importance of data in operationalizing metrics and making them tangible. Georg emphasizes two critical aspects of data quality.
\n\n[00:33:32] Elizabeth shares insight into the growth of the CHAOSS community. She discusses the challenges of managing the growing community, and a group CHAOSS is partnering with called “All in” to develop badging for open source projects, addressing scalability challenges.
\n\n[00:41:53] Elizabeth talks about the DEI Reflection Project which was crucial in identifying blind spots and improving the CHAOSS community. It led to valuable recommendations, including enhancing the newcomer experience and promoting diversity and inclusion.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\n*Panelists: *
\n\nGeorg Link
\n\nDawn Foster
\n\nMatt Germonprez
\n\nSean Goggins
\n\nElizabeth Barron
\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCHAOSS Data Science Working Group
\n\nData Science Initiative-Raw data from the Understanding Challenges survey
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBitergia Analytics- GrimoireLab
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 54: CHAOSS DEI Reflection Project
","summary":"In this episode, the CHAOSScast team is back! Georg Link, Dawn Foster, Sean Goggins, Matt Germonprez, and Elizabeth Barron discuss the relaunch of the podcast after taking a short break. They delve into the fascinating world of open source community health, focusing on metrics, metric models, and the CHAOSS Project’s role in measuring the health of open source communities. They share insights on how they’re working to make metrics more accessible and how they interpret these metrics within the context of specific projects. Additionally, they highlight the Data Science Initiative, the growth of CHAOSS community chapters worldwide, and their initiative to improve newcomer experience and promote diversity and inclusion in open source. Download this episode now to find out much more!","date_published":"2023-10-05T12:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/f7df3d23-cd7a-41d7-9ff9-c95e2c208200.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":91307583,"duration_in_seconds":2843}]},{"id":"56d1611c-59af-46c0-b9e5-d6348f59f74a","title":"Episode 70: Revisiting Metrics Journeys with Chris Mercer","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/70","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Venia and Lori are hosting a special revisit episode with special guest, Chris Mercer, Co-Founder of Measurement Marketing.io. Today, we’ll find out what Measurement Marketing does, where we were with measurement when Chris was on last, and how things have changed throughout the years. He goes in depth about the new Measurement Marketing Framework, the ACE model, and he shares his thoughts on Google Analytics 4 and why he thinks now is the time to get into it. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:02:22] Chris tells us his background and what Measurement Marketing does.\n\n[00:03:47] When Chris was on this podcast previously there was this notion of measuring frameworks and measuring a system, Chris details where we were originally with measurement and how things have changed.\n\n[00:05:17] We hear about the new Measurement Marketing Framework and the three simple steps: Plan it out, build it out, and launch it. \n\n[00:09:39] Chris lets us know what has stayed the same in his business.\n\n[00:10:57] We find out how Chris applies the measurements to open source as a customer journey, and he explains the ACE model that they teach. \n\n[00:14:36] Venia wonders if Chris is finding that Google Analytics 4 moving more in line with that synchronicity of measuring behaviors as they happen and as people use the system, and where does he see Google Analytics fitting into this new way of measure. \n\n[00:19:52] Chris shares his thoughts on whether he thinks that Google Analytics 4 is going to move more into a community operations role in any way. \n\n[00:21:22] Lori asks Chris for tips on some struggles she has as a Community Manager with how to relate data to someone in a CEO or OPS position in their language versus speaking community speak. \n\n[00:32:03] Find out how measurement is changing as Chris explains.\n\n[00:36:03] Venia wonders how Chris imagines community and this new notion of a measurement department meshing and working together.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:38:40] Chris’s pick is to start by learning strategy first. \n[00:40:35] Venia’s pick is taking a step back from the day-to-day things and adding to her calendar about four hours, twice a week, to do whatever she wants. \n\n\n**Panelists: \n\n\nVenia Logan\nLori Goldman\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nChris Mercer\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nVenia Logan Twitter\nLori Goldman LinkedIn\nChris Mercer Twitter\nMeasurement Marketing\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 14: The Theory and Future of Measurement with Chris Mercer\nMeasure Summit\nSpecial Guests: Chris Mercer and Lori Goldman.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Venia and Lori are hosting a special revisit episode with special guest, Chris Mercer, Co-Founder of Measurement Marketing.io. Today, we’ll find out what Measurement Marketing does, where we were with measurement when Chris was on last, and how things have changed throughout the years. He goes in depth about the new Measurement Marketing Framework, the ACE model, and he shares his thoughts on Google Analytics 4 and why he thinks now is the time to get into it. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:02:22] Chris tells us his background and what Measurement Marketing does.
\n\n[00:03:47] When Chris was on this podcast previously there was this notion of measuring frameworks and measuring a system, Chris details where we were originally with measurement and how things have changed.
\n\n[00:05:17] We hear about the new Measurement Marketing Framework and the three simple steps: Plan it out, build it out, and launch it.
\n\n[00:09:39] Chris lets us know what has stayed the same in his business.
\n\n[00:10:57] We find out how Chris applies the measurements to open source as a customer journey, and he explains the ACE model that they teach.
\n\n[00:14:36] Venia wonders if Chris is finding that Google Analytics 4 moving more in line with that synchronicity of measuring behaviors as they happen and as people use the system, and where does he see Google Analytics fitting into this new way of measure.
\n\n[00:19:52] Chris shares his thoughts on whether he thinks that Google Analytics 4 is going to move more into a community operations role in any way.
\n\n[00:21:22] Lori asks Chris for tips on some struggles she has as a Community Manager with how to relate data to someone in a CEO or OPS position in their language versus speaking community speak.
\n\n[00:32:03] Find out how measurement is changing as Chris explains.
\n\n[00:36:03] Venia wonders how Chris imagines community and this new notion of a measurement department meshing and working together.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\n**Panelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Chris Mercer and Lori Goldman.
","summary":"Venia and Lori are hosting a special revisit episode with special guest, Chris Mercer, Co-Founder of Measurement Marketing.io. Today, we’ll find out what Measurement Marketing does, where we were with measurement when Chris was on last, and how things have changed throughout the years. He goes in depth about the new Measurement Marketing Framework, the ACE model, and he shares his thoughts on Google Analytics 4 and why he thinks now is the time to get into it.","date_published":"2023-01-27T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/56d1611c-59af-46c0-b9e5-d6348f59f74a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":81387750,"duration_in_seconds":2543}]},{"id":"f6c7d48f-e3e2-43f6-9ed3-13f5be591865","title":"Episode 69: Community Insights with Hedan Zeng [Part 2 of 2]","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/69","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Welcome back to Part Two to a conversation we had with our amazing guest, Hedan Zeng, who’s the Director of Product Management at Common Room. In Part One, we spoke to Hedan about the development of Common Room, the history of Hedan’s personal journey in community, and what Common Room’s real philosophies around community health have been. Today, we brought her back so we can talk more about our metrics. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:03:22] Hedan does a quick recap of what Common Room the platform does. \n\n[00:04:19] In the last episode, Hedan mentioned area they look at the health of the community, and one of them was around engagement and metrics around engagement, and she tells us things she has found valuable for her customers to look at. \n\n[00:10:24] Venia brings up grapevine or unstructured community spaces, and she wonders how Hedan tackles these different sentiment developments in the actual metrics path and data flow for her system.\n\n[00:12:48] Sophia wants to know if there are different ways that Hedan addresses the same kind of questions in terms of guiding her customers and understanding the nuances between platform sources and sentiments.\n\n[00:14:52] We find out how Common Room addresses the nuance between these personas that while they might have some overlap, tend to have different orientations.\n\n[00:16:47] Does Hedan think that there’s some explicit differences between how Common Room would tackle to completely different community avatars?\n\n[00:19:07] Hedan tells us about some specific metrics to understand the different pieces that she’s been seeing. \n\n[00:21:41] Venia brings up community interaction and Hedan talks more about how she’s generating that 3X engagement factor. \n\n[00:23:38] Sophia wonders if Common Room can identify whether or not folks are at risk of burnouts, and Hedan tells us about how Common Room does a surface sentiment at a member level.\n\n[00:28:38] We find out how Hedan’s user experience makes decisions about the metrics and the way she visualizes this data in her platform.\n\n[00:32:22] We learn the process Common Room makes the users who are interacting and visualizing the data they go through.\n\n[00:35:10] Looking at the membership statistics around various different platforms, Sophia wonders if this could be an effective way to gauge an open source project’s usage and then knowing that, we find out if it’s enough or if anything is missing to make a better assessment of the overall user community size.\n\n[00:36:47] Find out where you can follow Hedan and Common Room online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:38:00] Hedan’s pick is being excited for football season and fantasy football season to commence. \n[00:38:34] Sophia’s pick is to remember to breathe, take breaks, and do puzzles.\n[00:39:44] Venia’s pick is Richard Millington and a webinar he did called, The Gold Standard of Community Data.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nVenia Logan\nGeorg Link\nSophia Vargas\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nHedan Zeng\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nVenia Logan Twitter\nSophia Vargas Twitter\nHedan Zeng Twitter\nHedan Zeng LinkedIn\nCommon Room\nCommon Room Community\nRichard Millington Twitter\nThe Gold Standard of Community Data with Richard Millington (vimeo)\nSpecial Guest: Hedan Zeng.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Welcome back to Part Two to a conversation we had with our amazing guest, Hedan Zeng, who’s the Director of Product Management at Common Room. In Part One, we spoke to Hedan about the development of Common Room, the history of Hedan’s personal journey in community, and what Common Room’s real philosophies around community health have been. Today, we brought her back so we can talk more about our metrics. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:03:22] Hedan does a quick recap of what Common Room the platform does.
\n\n[00:04:19] In the last episode, Hedan mentioned area they look at the health of the community, and one of them was around engagement and metrics around engagement, and she tells us things she has found valuable for her customers to look at.
\n\n[00:10:24] Venia brings up grapevine or unstructured community spaces, and she wonders how Hedan tackles these different sentiment developments in the actual metrics path and data flow for her system.
\n\n[00:12:48] Sophia wants to know if there are different ways that Hedan addresses the same kind of questions in terms of guiding her customers and understanding the nuances between platform sources and sentiments.
\n\n[00:14:52] We find out how Common Room addresses the nuance between these personas that while they might have some overlap, tend to have different orientations.
\n\n[00:16:47] Does Hedan think that there’s some explicit differences between how Common Room would tackle to completely different community avatars?
\n\n[00:19:07] Hedan tells us about some specific metrics to understand the different pieces that she’s been seeing.
\n\n[00:21:41] Venia brings up community interaction and Hedan talks more about how she’s generating that 3X engagement factor.
\n\n[00:23:38] Sophia wonders if Common Room can identify whether or not folks are at risk of burnouts, and Hedan tells us about how Common Room does a surface sentiment at a member level.
\n\n[00:28:38] We find out how Hedan’s user experience makes decisions about the metrics and the way she visualizes this data in her platform.
\n\n[00:32:22] We learn the process Common Room makes the users who are interacting and visualizing the data they go through.
\n\n[00:35:10] Looking at the membership statistics around various different platforms, Sophia wonders if this could be an effective way to gauge an open source project’s usage and then knowing that, we find out if it’s enough or if anything is missing to make a better assessment of the overall user community size.
\n\n[00:36:47] Find out where you can follow Hedan and Common Room online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Hedan Zeng.
","summary":"Welcome back to Part Two to a conversation we had with our amazing guest, Hedan Zeng, who’s the Director of Product Management at Common Room. In Part One, we spoke to Hedan about the development of Common Room, the history of Hedan’s personal journey in community, and what Common Room’s real philosophies around community health have been. Today, we brought her back so we can talk more about our metrics.","date_published":"2022-11-11T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/f6c7d48f-e3e2-43f6-9ed3-13f5be591865.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":78765855,"duration_in_seconds":2461}]},{"id":"fd4f583a-ce18-42a3-922a-a962bbc78f5f","title":"Episode 68: Community Insights with Hedan Zeng [Part 1 of 2]","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/68","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited to have joining us as our guest, Hedan Zeng, Director of Product Management at Common Room, the intelligent community growth platform for today’s fastest-growing companies. Today, we’ll learn all about Common Room and how they think about metrics. We’ll also find out about the metrics they use, and Common Room’s theory and approach to design, from data to user interface. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:01:38] Hedan tells us all about Common Room.\n\n[00:04:11] Hedan dives into how they think about metrics at the Common Room, and she explains each of the metrics they use such as membership, community responsiveness, and sentiment.\n\n[00:08:26] We find out what Hedan’s role is at Common Room and the steps that led her to forming where she is today, which includes her experience working at Medallia. \n\n[00:15:02] Sophia wonders if Hedan is seeing any behaviors that surprised her or she wasn’t expecting to see from the application of the software. \n\n[00:20:32] Find out if Common Room have words that they’ve put to that different philosophy of measurement.\n\n[00:23:12] We learn about the process Hedan has for identifying which of these different usernames on different platforms actually belong to the same person.\n\n[00:26:03] Hedan explains how she navigates the difference between I need to present in my community and engage in the social contract of listening to people versus this is a thing I could automate and build a workflow for this.\n\n[00:28:42] We hear how Hedan is helping customers navigate through varying privacy/data sharing policies, and she shares advice for open source projects and communities.\n\n[00:31:45] Find out where you can follow Hedan online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:32:27] Georg’s pick is being amazed with the after school programs. \n[00:33:32] Venia’s pick is the power of reframing live events for good connection.\n[00:35:36] Hedan’s pick is Beat Saber.\n[00:36:21] Sophia’s pick is a packable sun hat.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nVenia Logan\nGeorg Link\nSophia Vargas\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nHedan Zeng\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nVenia Logan Twitter\nSophia Vargas Twitter\nHedan Zeng Twitter\nHedan Zeng LinkedIn\nCommon Room\nCommon Room Community\nMedallia\nAdam Grant Website\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 30: Databases, Privacy, and Licenses with Matt Yonkovit\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 42: Hidden Infrastructure: The Foundations of Open Source with Josh Simmons\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 45: Fireside Chat: Metrics Strategy with Daniel, Sean, and Venia\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 57: The Ins and Outs of Large Scale Research with Hilary Carter\nBeat Saber\nBaggu Hat\nSpecial Guest: Hedan Zeng.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited to have joining us as our guest, Hedan Zeng, Director of Product Management at Common Room, the intelligent community growth platform for today’s fastest-growing companies. Today, we’ll learn all about Common Room and how they think about metrics. We’ll also find out about the metrics they use, and Common Room’s theory and approach to design, from data to user interface. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:01:38] Hedan tells us all about Common Room.
\n\n[00:04:11] Hedan dives into how they think about metrics at the Common Room, and she explains each of the metrics they use such as membership, community responsiveness, and sentiment.
\n\n[00:08:26] We find out what Hedan’s role is at Common Room and the steps that led her to forming where she is today, which includes her experience working at Medallia.
\n\n[00:15:02] Sophia wonders if Hedan is seeing any behaviors that surprised her or she wasn’t expecting to see from the application of the software.
\n\n[00:20:32] Find out if Common Room have words that they’ve put to that different philosophy of measurement.
\n\n[00:23:12] We learn about the process Hedan has for identifying which of these different usernames on different platforms actually belong to the same person.
\n\n[00:26:03] Hedan explains how she navigates the difference between I need to present in my community and engage in the social contract of listening to people versus this is a thing I could automate and build a workflow for this.
\n\n[00:28:42] We hear how Hedan is helping customers navigate through varying privacy/data sharing policies, and she shares advice for open source projects and communities.
\n\n[00:31:45] Find out where you can follow Hedan online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Hedan Zeng.
","summary":"We are super excited to have joining us as our guest, Hedan Zeng, Director of Product Management at Common Room, the intelligent community growth platform for today’s fastest-growing companies. Today, we’ll learn all about Common Room and how they think about metrics. We’ll also find out about the metrics they use, and Common Room’s theory and approach to design, from data to user interface.","date_published":"2022-11-04T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/fd4f583a-ce18-42a3-922a-a962bbc78f5f.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":73107060,"duration_in_seconds":2284}]},{"id":"5bd6b899-ba6f-49b3-a463-3e1eeed1ea33","title":"Episode 67: The CHAOSS Newcomer Slack Bot and She-Code-Africa with Precious and Iyimide","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/67","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are excited to be joined by two guests, Iyimide Adegunloye (Mide) and Precious Abubakar, who participated in the She Code Africa Program. We invited them to talk about the program and share what they’ve done, as well as discussing bots and the welcoming of newcomers. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:02:55] Mide and Precious give us a brief introduction about themselves.\n\n[00:04:20] We find out the details on the She Code Africa Program, their experience with getting into She Code Africa, how they found CHAOSS, and how they decided to engage with the CHAOSS Project.\n\n[00:08:54] We learn how the idea of the bot came about and the design process. \n\n[00:13:26] There’s a discussion about the kinds of challenges they faced in creating the bot and what they learned in the process. \n\n[00:16:34] Georg wonders how the response has been in the community since the bot was implemented. \n\n[00:19:14] Mide explains more about the use of the bot at She Code Africa.\n\n[00:20:22] Precious and Ruth fill us in where they think the project will go next and share some ideas for the future.\n\n[00:21:50] If you would like to get involved, find out where you can connect to get started.\n\n[00:23:34] Mide and Precious share how the mentorship helped them understand CHAOSS. We also hear from the mentors what they’ve learned in this program or if they’ve learned to appreciate CHAOSS in a different way.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:28:44] Georg’s pick is learning sometimes an upgrade saves you money. \n[00:30:22] Ruth’s pick is her Personal Assistant, Olamide Makinde.\n[00:30:54] Elizabeth’s pick is a northern walkingstick insect.\n[00:32:15] Precious’s pick is Rotary Youth Leadership Awards (RYLA).\n[00:33:07] Mide’s pick is leading a children’s and adult coding bootcamp.\n[00:34:00] Matt’s pick is enjoying his first month living in Oregon.\n[00:34:34] Sean’s pick is to try to get to Wisconsin in the Fall.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nElizabeth Barron\nSean Goggins\nMatt Cantu Snell\nRuth Ikegah\n\n\nGuests:\n\n\nPrecious Abubakar\nIyimide Adegunloye\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nSean Goggins Twitter\nElizabeth Barron Twitter\nMatt Cantu Snell LinkedIn\nRuth Ikegah Twitter\nPrecious Abubakar Twitter\nPrecious Abubakar LinkedIn\nPrecious Abubakar Website\nIyimide Adegunloye Twitter\nIyimide Adegunloye LinkedIn\nIyimide Adegunloye Website\nShe Code Africa\nShe Code Africa Contributhon\nCHAOSS Slack Bot-GitHub\nCommon walkingstick\nRotary Youth Leadership Awards (RYLA)\nSpecial Guests: Iyimide Adegunloye (Mide) and Precious Abubakar.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are excited to be joined by two guests, Iyimide Adegunloye (Mide) and Precious Abubakar, who participated in the She Code Africa Program. We invited them to talk about the program and share what they’ve done, as well as discussing bots and the welcoming of newcomers. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:02:55] Mide and Precious give us a brief introduction about themselves.
\n\n[00:04:20] We find out the details on the She Code Africa Program, their experience with getting into She Code Africa, how they found CHAOSS, and how they decided to engage with the CHAOSS Project.
\n\n[00:08:54] We learn how the idea of the bot came about and the design process.
\n\n[00:13:26] There’s a discussion about the kinds of challenges they faced in creating the bot and what they learned in the process.
\n\n[00:16:34] Georg wonders how the response has been in the community since the bot was implemented.
\n\n[00:19:14] Mide explains more about the use of the bot at She Code Africa.
\n\n[00:20:22] Precious and Ruth fill us in where they think the project will go next and share some ideas for the future.
\n\n[00:21:50] If you would like to get involved, find out where you can connect to get started.
\n\n[00:23:34] Mide and Precious share how the mentorship helped them understand CHAOSS. We also hear from the mentors what they’ve learned in this program or if they’ve learned to appreciate CHAOSS in a different way.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuests:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Iyimide Adegunloye (Mide) and Precious Abubakar.
","summary":"Today, we are excited to be joined by two guests, Iyimide Adegunloye (Mide) and Precious Abubakar, who participated in the She Code Africa Program. We invited them to talk about the program and share what they’ve done, as well as discussing bots and the welcoming of newcomers. ","date_published":"2022-10-14T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/5bd6b899-ba6f-49b3-a463-3e1eeed1ea33.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":68155534,"duration_in_seconds":2129}]},{"id":"1df923be-d455-42d2-a480-385d9c4a5651","title":"Episode 66: Deciding what metrics to measure for community managers with Bri, Lori, and Victoria","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/66","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are joined by two wonderful guests that Venia met during an amazing talk at the Community Spaces. We have Victoria Cumberbatch, Founder of adventuresOFcommunity, a Community Development Consultancy, and Bri Leever, a Community Architect and Founder of Ember. Our conversations take us through finding out how everyone got their start in community, and what numbers mean for our brands and what they’ll mean for open source health. Also, we’ll find out about Bri’s learning journey, and more about the metrics Bri and Viki are using and the kinds of stories they’re telling with them. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:02:33] Bri, Lori, and Viki fill us in on how they got started in community and where their love of community came from.\n\n[00:09:15] Georg shares his story of how he got his start in community. \n\n[00:12:57] There’s a great discussion about what numbers really mean for our brands and what they’ll mean for open source health afterward. \n\n[00:16:45] Venia brings up a story about Morning Brew talking about the progression of their community, and Bri tells us about a community she’s managing for the company Piktochart and how they manage their metrics and interesting things they do with her.\n\n[00:20:29] Bri mentioned the learning journey, and she explains what she considers the learning journey, the kinds of stories she finds herself telling, and the metrics she’s weaving in with the learning journeys.\n\n[00:24:04] Venia talks about Chris Mercer and one of his main statements is no one is a numbers person, and Bri adds be saying, the power is in the pattern, and she tells us about a book called, Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know by Adam Grant.\n\n[00:25:56] We hear what kind of metrics Viki uses, the kinds of stories she’s telling with them, and using the Cultural Adjustment Graph. Bri and Lori share some thoughts as well.\n\n[00:32:30] Lori explains some of the behaviors she was speaking about. \n\n[00:34:40] Venia asks everyone how they would systemize and turn that story into something that people can query on a weekly basis whenever they need. Bri tells us about a community platform called, Heartbeat.\n\n[00:41:41] Georg highlights CHAOSS software. \n\n[00:42:41] Find out where you can follow Viki and Bri online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:43:44] Georg’s pick is the WordPress community.\n[00:44:44] Bri’s pick is having availability in her life to make friends in all areas.\n[00:45:39] Venia’s pick is the importance of farming and shovel environments.\n[00:46:41] Lori’s pick is being grateful that she’s around people who are really lit up by what they’re doing and sharing really neat things that they’re doing.\n[00:47:37] Viki’s pick is finding a meetup group and playing volleyball with them.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nVenia Logan\nGeorg Link\nLori Goldman\n\n\nGuests:\n\n\nVictoria Cumberbatch\nBri Leever\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nGeorg Link LinkedIn\nVenia Logan Twitter\nSamantha “Venia” Logan LinkedIn\nLori Goldman LinkedIn\nBri Leever Twitter\nBri Leever LinkedIn\nEmber LinkedIn\nEmber Consulting\nVictoria Cumberbatch LinkedIn\nadventuresOFcommunity LinkedIn\nAn inside look at the Morning Brew’s growth (Morning Brew)\nPiktochart\nThink Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know by Adam Grant\nThe W curve of adaptation (YouTube)\nHeartbeat\nWordPress\nThe Illustrated Children’s Guide to Kubernetes by Matt Butcher and Karen Chu\nCHAOSS Community software\nA Socially Constructed Discord\nSpecial Guests: Bri Leever, Lori Goldman, and Victoria C.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are joined by two wonderful guests that Venia met during an amazing talk at the Community Spaces. We have Victoria Cumberbatch, Founder of adventuresOFcommunity, a Community Development Consultancy, and Bri Leever, a Community Architect and Founder of Ember. Our conversations take us through finding out how everyone got their start in community, and what numbers mean for our brands and what they’ll mean for open source health. Also, we’ll find out about Bri’s learning journey, and more about the metrics Bri and Viki are using and the kinds of stories they’re telling with them. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:02:33] Bri, Lori, and Viki fill us in on how they got started in community and where their love of community came from.
\n\n[00:09:15] Georg shares his story of how he got his start in community.
\n\n[00:12:57] There’s a great discussion about what numbers really mean for our brands and what they’ll mean for open source health afterward.
\n\n[00:16:45] Venia brings up a story about Morning Brew talking about the progression of their community, and Bri tells us about a community she’s managing for the company Piktochart and how they manage their metrics and interesting things they do with her.
\n\n[00:20:29] Bri mentioned the learning journey, and she explains what she considers the learning journey, the kinds of stories she finds herself telling, and the metrics she’s weaving in with the learning journeys.
\n\n[00:24:04] Venia talks about Chris Mercer and one of his main statements is no one is a numbers person, and Bri adds be saying, the power is in the pattern, and she tells us about a book called, Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don’t Know by Adam Grant.
\n\n[00:25:56] We hear what kind of metrics Viki uses, the kinds of stories she’s telling with them, and using the Cultural Adjustment Graph. Bri and Lori share some thoughts as well.
\n\n[00:32:30] Lori explains some of the behaviors she was speaking about.
\n\n[00:34:40] Venia asks everyone how they would systemize and turn that story into something that people can query on a weekly basis whenever they need. Bri tells us about a community platform called, Heartbeat.
\n\n[00:41:41] Georg highlights CHAOSS software.
\n\n[00:42:41] Find out where you can follow Viki and Bri online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuests:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Bri Leever, Lori Goldman, and Victoria C.
","summary":"Our guests are Victoria Cumberbatch, Founder of adventuresOFcommunity, a Community Development Consultancy, and Bri Leever, a Community Architect and Founder of Ember. Our conversations take us through finding out how everyone got their start in community, and what numbers mean for our brands and what they’ll mean for open source health. Also, we’ll find out about Bri’s learning journey, and more about the metrics Bri and Viki are using and the kinds of stories they’re telling with them.","date_published":"2022-10-07T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/1df923be-d455-42d2-a480-385d9c4a5651.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":71536038,"duration_in_seconds":2980}]},{"id":"118e89a1-6af7-4846-b1d5-38e567da4c1c","title":"Episode 65: How Projects Secure Their Code with Chris and Nir","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/65","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, Georg has two experts in analyzing open source community repositories joining him from Arnica, which is focused on software security supply chain security. Our two guests today are Chris Abraham, Head of Data Science, and Nir Valtman, Co-Founder and CEO, and they’re here to tell us about an analysis they conducted called, “How do top open-source projects protect their code?”, the story behind why they decided to do this, and some surprising things they learned from the analysis. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:01:09] Chris and Nir introduce themselves, how they got into open source, what brought them to Arnica, and what they’re doing now.\n\n[00:05:38] Georg brings up a blog post that Chris and Nir wrote on, “How do top open-source projects protect their code?” and we hear why they did this study and how they went about doing it. \n\n[00:09:11] When looking at the data, Georg asks if people have policies around it and if we can infer from it if there’s a security issue or not. Also, Nir and Chris detail how they went about collecting data and looking at what open source is doing.\n\n[00:14:15] Chris and Nir wanted to know if code owners contribute to quality, and we find out how they assessed quality.\n\n[00:19:57] We learn some surprising things Chris and Nir learned from the analysis.\n\n[00:22:10] Georg mentions maintainer burnout and the workload that is being put on maintainers, and he asks how Chris and Nir see the security controls contributing to maintainer burnout or even helping the demands on maintainers.\n\n[00:27:24] Chris and Nir looked at the top 250 projects on GitHub, they tell us how the findings apply to smaller open source and the long tail of projects we have.\n\n[00:33:28] Find out where you can follow Chris and Nir and the work they’re doing.\n\n[00:34:45] Nir tells us about their open source project called, GitGoat.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:36:16] Georg’s pick is rediscovering Firefox Focus.\n[00:37:32] Chris’s pick is his connection with the Digital and Analog world and finishing his wood floors with the help of watching YouTube videos. \n[00:39:16] Nir’s pick is realizing Startup life is not easy and his wife helped him to do more things like mountain biking twice a week.\n\n\nPanelist:\n\n\nGeorg Link\n\n\nGuests:\n\n\nChris Abraham\nNir Valtman\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nChris Jacob Abraham LinkedIn\nNir Valtman Twitter\nNir Valtman LinkedIn\nArnica \nArnica Twitter\nArnica LinkedIn\nHow do top open-source projects protect their code? (Blog post)\nGitGoat\nFirefox Focus\nSpecial Guests: Chris Jacob Abraham and Nir Valtman.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, Georg has two experts in analyzing open source community repositories joining him from Arnica, which is focused on software security supply chain security. Our two guests today are Chris Abraham, Head of Data Science, and Nir Valtman, Co-Founder and CEO, and they’re here to tell us about an analysis they conducted called, “How do top open-source projects protect their code?”, the story behind why they decided to do this, and some surprising things they learned from the analysis. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:01:09] Chris and Nir introduce themselves, how they got into open source, what brought them to Arnica, and what they’re doing now.
\n\n[00:05:38] Georg brings up a blog post that Chris and Nir wrote on, “How do top open-source projects protect their code?” and we hear why they did this study and how they went about doing it.
\n\n[00:09:11] When looking at the data, Georg asks if people have policies around it and if we can infer from it if there’s a security issue or not. Also, Nir and Chris detail how they went about collecting data and looking at what open source is doing.
\n\n[00:14:15] Chris and Nir wanted to know if code owners contribute to quality, and we find out how they assessed quality.
\n\n[00:19:57] We learn some surprising things Chris and Nir learned from the analysis.
\n\n[00:22:10] Georg mentions maintainer burnout and the workload that is being put on maintainers, and he asks how Chris and Nir see the security controls contributing to maintainer burnout or even helping the demands on maintainers.
\n\n[00:27:24] Chris and Nir looked at the top 250 projects on GitHub, they tell us how the findings apply to smaller open source and the long tail of projects we have.
\n\n[00:33:28] Find out where you can follow Chris and Nir and the work they’re doing.
\n\n[00:34:45] Nir tells us about their open source project called, GitGoat.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelist:
\n\nGuests:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Chris Jacob Abraham and Nir Valtman.
","summary":"Today, Georg has two experts in analyzing open source community repositories joining him from Arnica, which is focused on software security supply chain security. Our two guests today are Chris Abraham, Head of Data Science, and Nir Valtman, Co-Founder and CEO, and they’re here to tell us about an analysis they conducted called, “How do top open-source projects protect their code?”, the story behind why they decided to do this, and some surprising things they learned from the analysis.","date_published":"2022-09-16T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/118e89a1-6af7-4846-b1d5-38e567da4c1c.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":78925329,"duration_in_seconds":2466}]},{"id":"9d113167-bd50-4002-99b4-55c8dd45afde","title":"Episode 64: Policy for Open Source in Amsterdam with Maurice Hendriks","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/64","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited to have joining us, Maurice Hendriks, who works for the Municipality of Amsterdam as a policy maker, specifically on the topic of Open Source. He’s here to share his journey into open source and to talk more about his views on open source. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:01:56] Maurice shares his journey into open source and how he got into the field. \n\n[00:05:23] Sean wonders if misunderstandings affect the work that Maurice is trying to accomplish, and Maurice talks about the laws in Netherlands and how open source is essential for the morality of the city.\n\n[00:09:36] From the government perspective Maurice talked about, he explains different perspectives on what a healthy open source project or community is. \n\n[00:12:24] Are these other governments, other municipalities in Netherlands that are using the open source software, built in Amsterdam?\n\n[00:17:28] Maurice explains how policy would potentially influence this social system.\n\n[00:21:16] We find out the difference between open sourcing something and having something publicly available.\n\n[00:23:39] What bothers Maurice as a policy maker?\n\n[00:26:15] Sean brings up a point about if software is a social good open sourcing, there needs to be a way for that to be sustainable so it’s not just Maurice that’s maintaining a particular project, and he wonders how Maurice balances that.\n\n[00:29:08] We hear the main lesson people should get from Maurice’s vision.\n\n[00:30:05] Find out where you can follow Maurice’s and his work online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:32:53] Georg’s pick is taking a family trip to Europe.\n[00:33:30] Sean’s pick is witnessing the number of people in this country who are actively engaged in fixing the problems with the recent rulings by our Supreme Court. \n[00:34:05] Maurice’s pick is his wife finishing her book, Akal-About life in the Dutch East Indies_ _by Lilja Anna Perdijk.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nSean Goggins \n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nMaurice Hendriks\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nQuotes:\n\n\n[00:04:27] “If there is no power, there is no software.”\n[00:07:11] “My mission is to use open source software to get transparency into Government information and technology.”\n[00:29:08] “The main lesson from my vision: Community built software is the cherry on the cake. You first need to get layers and components in place or you don’t get a cake at all.”\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nSean Goggins Twitter\nThe Universal Permissive License (UPL), Version 1.0 (Open Source Initiative)\nEuropean Union Public License, Version 1.2 (EUPL-1.2)\nAkal-Overleven in Nederlands-Indië (Dutch)\nAkal-About life in the Dutch East Indies (English)\nOpenNMT\nSpecial Guest: Maurice Hendriks.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited to have joining us, Maurice Hendriks, who works for the Municipality of Amsterdam as a policy maker, specifically on the topic of Open Source. He’s here to share his journey into open source and to talk more about his views on open source. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:01:56] Maurice shares his journey into open source and how he got into the field.
\n\n[00:05:23] Sean wonders if misunderstandings affect the work that Maurice is trying to accomplish, and Maurice talks about the laws in Netherlands and how open source is essential for the morality of the city.
\n\n[00:09:36] From the government perspective Maurice talked about, he explains different perspectives on what a healthy open source project or community is.
\n\n[00:12:24] Are these other governments, other municipalities in Netherlands that are using the open source software, built in Amsterdam?
\n\n[00:17:28] Maurice explains how policy would potentially influence this social system.
\n\n[00:21:16] We find out the difference between open sourcing something and having something publicly available.
\n\n[00:23:39] What bothers Maurice as a policy maker?
\n\n[00:26:15] Sean brings up a point about if software is a social good open sourcing, there needs to be a way for that to be sustainable so it’s not just Maurice that’s maintaining a particular project, and he wonders how Maurice balances that.
\n\n[00:29:08] We hear the main lesson people should get from Maurice’s vision.
\n\n[00:30:05] Find out where you can follow Maurice’s and his work online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nQuotes:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Maurice Hendriks.
","summary":"We are super excited to have joining us, Maurice Hendriks, who works for the Municipality of Amsterdam as a policy maker, specifically on the topic of Open Source. He’s here to share his journey into open source and to talk more about his views on open source. ","date_published":"2022-09-02T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/9d113167-bd50-4002-99b4-55c8dd45afde.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":72287924,"duration_in_seconds":2258}]},{"id":"8ca112fd-dfa1-4b91-b5a2-ffedb779e371","title":"Episode 63: Revisiting Communities with Jono Bacon","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/63","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we’re having a revisit episode with a guest we’ve had on before. We’re so excited to welcome back Jono Bacon, a leading community and collaboration strategy consultant, author, and speaker, and previously led community at GitHub, Canonical, and XPRIZE. Our conversations today include a mix of revisiting some things we talked about in Jono’s previous episode, updates on what’s changed in the community industry and in his world, as well as some new things that are happening in Web3. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:02:48] Jono gives us an introduction about who he is and what he does.\n\n[00:04:22] We find out some key strategies that Jono’s been using lately to propel his personal career and development as a Community Manager.\n\n[00:07:55] Lori wonders if anyone is seeing this move toward integrating and working with different tools as opposed to having everything centralized, and if this has to do with the onset of Web3. Jono tells us how he’s skeptical of the all-in-one community.\n\n[00:10:20] Georg brings up how we need more diversity in the ecosystem of tooling and Jono shares his thoughts on this.\n\n[00:13:14] Venia tells us about Grapevine communication.\n\n[00:15:14] The cruise ship model of data structure is brought up and Venia wonders where Jono thinks that’s going to take us moving into the future of Web3.\n\n[00:18:17] Georg asks Jono if he sees changes in communities and how communities work due to these new demands that are being put on them.\n\n[00:22:35] Jono tells us what a Community Manager’s responsibility should be to the community by explaining it in three layers: Policy, Technology, and Influence. \n\n[00:29:45] Lori expresses the importance of listening to the passionate people, and since community is a teachable profession, she asks, “Where does it go now?”\n\n[00:34:26] Jono gives us his honest answer to the least understood aspects of being a Community Manager since a lot has changed over the last two years. \n\n[00:38:16] Find out Jono’s opinion on how community manages metrics.\n\nValue Adds of the week:\n\n\n[00:42:31] Jono’s pick is something he learned from his coach that was super interesting which is, when you’ve got the right balance of enthusiasm and you’re only going to work with people who really are aligned on what you’re trying to do, you’ll get better at what you do.\n[00:44:19] Venia’s pick is when you make a mistake, iterate the plan, and make sure you’re not iterating it yourself.\n[00:45:39] Georg’s pick is a journey he’s taking to start reading more and learn about living healthier.\n[00:46:17] Lori’s picks are to ignore your head and just go do something that you think is really going to make you happy, and the joy of finding these things that were a part of you in the past and you can now bring forward.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nVenia Logan\nGeorg Link\nLori Goldman\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nJono Bacon\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nVenia Logan Twitter\nLori Goldman LinkedIn\nIndyKite\nJono Bacon Twitter\nJono Bacon Website\nCommunity Experience Masterclass\nCHAOSScast Podcast- Episode 7: Your Community Story with Jono Bacon\nOrbit\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 37: The Orbit Model with Patrick Woods\nCMX-Gamification: A Fireside Chat with Jono Bacon\nSpecial Guests: Jono Bacon and Lori Goldman.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we’re having a revisit episode with a guest we’ve had on before. We’re so excited to welcome back Jono Bacon, a leading community and collaboration strategy consultant, author, and speaker, and previously led community at GitHub, Canonical, and XPRIZE. Our conversations today include a mix of revisiting some things we talked about in Jono’s previous episode, updates on what’s changed in the community industry and in his world, as well as some new things that are happening in Web3. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:02:48] Jono gives us an introduction about who he is and what he does.
\n\n[00:04:22] We find out some key strategies that Jono’s been using lately to propel his personal career and development as a Community Manager.
\n\n[00:07:55] Lori wonders if anyone is seeing this move toward integrating and working with different tools as opposed to having everything centralized, and if this has to do with the onset of Web3. Jono tells us how he’s skeptical of the all-in-one community.
\n\n[00:10:20] Georg brings up how we need more diversity in the ecosystem of tooling and Jono shares his thoughts on this.
\n\n[00:13:14] Venia tells us about Grapevine communication.
\n\n[00:15:14] The cruise ship model of data structure is brought up and Venia wonders where Jono thinks that’s going to take us moving into the future of Web3.
\n\n[00:18:17] Georg asks Jono if he sees changes in communities and how communities work due to these new demands that are being put on them.
\n\n[00:22:35] Jono tells us what a Community Manager’s responsibility should be to the community by explaining it in three layers: Policy, Technology, and Influence.
\n\n[00:29:45] Lori expresses the importance of listening to the passionate people, and since community is a teachable profession, she asks, “Where does it go now?”
\n\n[00:34:26] Jono gives us his honest answer to the least understood aspects of being a Community Manager since a lot has changed over the last two years.
\n\n[00:38:16] Find out Jono’s opinion on how community manages metrics.
\n\nValue Adds of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Jono Bacon and Lori Goldman.
","summary":"We’re so excited to welcome back Jono Bacon, a leading community and collaboration strategy consultant, author, and speaker, and previously led community at GitHub, Canonical, and XPRIZE. Our conversations today include a mix of revisiting some things we talked about in Jono’s previous episode, updates on what’s changed in the community industry and in his world, as well as some new things that are happening in Web3.","date_published":"2022-08-19T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/8ca112fd-dfa1-4b91-b5a2-ffedb779e371.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":93885193,"duration_in_seconds":2933}]},{"id":"1300da48-7004-4e9d-8e19-f1336614f918","title":"Episode 62: Maintaining Open Source Projects - a joint episode with the Sustain Podcast","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/62","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today’s episode is a shared podcast between Sustain and CHAOSS. We have six panelists to talk about maintaining open source and we’ll also do a quick update from a previous episode and talk about what has changed and what maintaining open source looks like today. The panelists we have are Georg Link, Richard Littauer, Dawn Foster, Willem Jiang, Amanda Casari, and Ben Nickolls. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:01:19] The six panelists introduce themselves.\n\n[00:04:45] Richard details more about what Sustain is, Georg and Dawn explain CHAOSS and what’s going on there, and Amanda shares what she likes about CHAOSS.\n\n[00:13:56] Dawn talks about the kind of community members CHAOSS has, Willem tells us about the Asia community, and Ben shares his views on the Sustain community. \n\n[00:20:04] Georg asks if there’s been any updates on the funding situation in open source and if anything has changed there and Ben updates us. \n\n[00:24:14] When thinking about resources, who gets paid, how money flows, and how we identify when help is needed, Amanda wonders how that’s changed in the last few years in the CHAOSS community. \n\n[00:26:34] Richard shares from his angle what he’s seen about what has changed in the past two years in open source.\n\n[00:28:33] Ben shares his views on the supply chain conversation about who is making money in open source. \n\n[00:30:36] Since security is such a hot topic, Georg asks if we’re prepared in all the open source projects to really focus on this topic or if we have to upskill everyone, and we hear Ben’s thoughts on this.\n\n[00:32:27] Richard explains how you can get involved in Sustain happenings that are going on, and Georg and Dawn inform us about some projects, working groups, and other things going on with CHAOSS.\n\n[00:40:42] Find out where you can get involved with Sustain and CHAOSS.\n\nSpotlights/Value Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:35:46] Georg’s pick is meeting with an online local group and doing cool things together.\n[00:36:31] Richard’s pick is going on a super long hike and buying a hydration pack (CamelBak Pouch).\n[00:37:21] Dawn’s spotlight is GraphiQL.\n[00:37:59] Ben’s spotlights are taking care of Swifts on his roof, and the book, Swifts and Us: The Life of the Bird that Sleeps in the Sky.\n[00:38:21] Amanda’s pick is the book, Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle.\n[00:39:29] Willem’s pick is ApacheCon Asia 2022.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nRichard Littauer\nDawn Foster\nWillem Jiang\nAmanda Casari\nBen Nickolls\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\nCHAOSS Community Participate\npodcast@chaoss.community\nSustainOSS\nSustainOSS Twitter\nSustainOSS Discourse\nSustain Podcast\npodcast@sustainoss.org\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nRichard Littauer Twitter\nDawn Foster Twitter\nWillem Jiang Twitter\nAmanda Casari Twitter\nBen Nickolls Twitter\nSustain Podcast-Episode 65: CHAOSS and Sustain: A Joint Podcast\nEcosyste.ms\nxkcd\nExecutive Order on Improving the Nation’s Cybersecurity (The White House)\nSustain 2021 Event Report\nMozilla-Open Source Archetypes: A Framework For Purposeful Open Source May 2018\nSonarQube\nCamelBak Crux 3-Liter Water Reservoir\nGraphiQL\nSwifts and Us: The Life of the Bird that Sleeps in the Sky by Sarah Gibson\nBurnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle by Emily Nagoski, PhD and Amelia Nagoski, DMA\nApacheCon Asia 2022\nWorking in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal\nSpecial Guests: Amanda Casari, Benjamin Nickolls, Richard Littauer, and Willem Jiang.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today’s episode is a shared podcast between Sustain and CHAOSS. We have six panelists to talk about maintaining open source and we’ll also do a quick update from a previous episode and talk about what has changed and what maintaining open source looks like today. The panelists we have are Georg Link, Richard Littauer, Dawn Foster, Willem Jiang, Amanda Casari, and Ben Nickolls. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:01:19] The six panelists introduce themselves.
\n\n[00:04:45] Richard details more about what Sustain is, Georg and Dawn explain CHAOSS and what’s going on there, and Amanda shares what she likes about CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:13:56] Dawn talks about the kind of community members CHAOSS has, Willem tells us about the Asia community, and Ben shares his views on the Sustain community.
\n\n[00:20:04] Georg asks if there’s been any updates on the funding situation in open source and if anything has changed there and Ben updates us.
\n\n[00:24:14] When thinking about resources, who gets paid, how money flows, and how we identify when help is needed, Amanda wonders how that’s changed in the last few years in the CHAOSS community.
\n\n[00:26:34] Richard shares from his angle what he’s seen about what has changed in the past two years in open source.
\n\n[00:28:33] Ben shares his views on the supply chain conversation about who is making money in open source.
\n\n[00:30:36] Since security is such a hot topic, Georg asks if we’re prepared in all the open source projects to really focus on this topic or if we have to upskill everyone, and we hear Ben’s thoughts on this.
\n\n[00:32:27] Richard explains how you can get involved in Sustain happenings that are going on, and Georg and Dawn inform us about some projects, working groups, and other things going on with CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:40:42] Find out where you can get involved with Sustain and CHAOSS.
\n\nSpotlights/Value Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Amanda Casari, Benjamin Nickolls, Richard Littauer, and Willem Jiang.
","summary":"Today’s episode is a shared podcast between Sustain and CHAOSS. We have six panelists to talk about maintaining open source and we’ll also do a quick update from a previous episode and talk about what has changed and what maintaining open source looks like today. The panelists we have are Georg Link, Richard Littauer, Dawn Foster, Willem Jiang, Amanda Casari, and Ben Nickolls. ","date_published":"2022-08-12T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/1300da48-7004-4e9d-8e19-f1336614f918.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":81171558,"duration_in_seconds":2527}]},{"id":"2418289d-7385-4a14-a332-0502b697b59a","title":"Episode 61: The Untapped Potential Of Goal-Oriented Metrics with Richard Millington","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/61","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited to have as our guest, Richard Millington, who’s the Founder of FeverBee and author of Build Your Community. Today, we’ll be talking with Richard about communities, metrics, and what FeverBee does for organizations. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:01:31] Richard introduces himself, he tells us about FeverBee, and how he got into the field of communities.\n\n[00:06:11] How did Richard move Seth and a lot of his clients into the headspace of being community first and what a community could do for his brands?\n\n[00:12:29] Richard dives into the topic of convince and persuade.\n\n[00:16:22] We hear Richard’s thoughts on how to set goals for community or for existing communities that are out there today.\n\n[00:19:26] When you find what your goals are for engaging a community, Georg wonders how to do this authentically without overriding what everyone else is already doing in the community, and Richard tells us how they approach it.\n\n[00:25:02] We learn from Richard the way to go about understanding what matters for your community and finding the right goals.\n\n[00:29:10] When it comes to open source communities, Richard shares suggestions of where to begin when people are trying to figure out what goals to set.\n\n[00:30:56] Georg asks Richard if he’s ever done a workshop in an asynchronous way over mailing lists or slack where you didn’t require everyone to be in the same room at the same time for the workshop.\n\n[00:31:55] We hear about setting targets based upon prior data or data that already exists, and Richard explains a problem in plucking metrics from thin air.\n\n[00:36:53] Find out where you can follow Richard on the internet.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:37:46] Georg’s pick is enjoying their backyard pool.\n[00:39:24] Richard’s pick is his girlfriend’s cat finally likes him.\n[00:40:31] Venia’s pick is the importance of travel.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nVenia Logan\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nRichard Millington\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nVenia Logan Twitter\nRichard Millington Twitter\nRichard Millington LinkedIn\nFeverBee\nBuild Your Community by Richard Millington\nRichard’s Blog- “How to Set the Right Targets and Build a Great Community Dashboard”\nRichard’s Blog- “Have You Prepared Your Community for These Powerful Trends?”\nSpecial Guest: Richard Millington.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited to have as our guest, Richard Millington, who’s the Founder of FeverBee and author of Build Your Community. Today, we’ll be talking with Richard about communities, metrics, and what FeverBee does for organizations. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:01:31] Richard introduces himself, he tells us about FeverBee, and how he got into the field of communities.
\n\n[00:06:11] How did Richard move Seth and a lot of his clients into the headspace of being community first and what a community could do for his brands?
\n\n[00:12:29] Richard dives into the topic of convince and persuade.
\n\n[00:16:22] We hear Richard’s thoughts on how to set goals for community or for existing communities that are out there today.
\n\n[00:19:26] When you find what your goals are for engaging a community, Georg wonders how to do this authentically without overriding what everyone else is already doing in the community, and Richard tells us how they approach it.
\n\n[00:25:02] We learn from Richard the way to go about understanding what matters for your community and finding the right goals.
\n\n[00:29:10] When it comes to open source communities, Richard shares suggestions of where to begin when people are trying to figure out what goals to set.
\n\n[00:30:56] Georg asks Richard if he’s ever done a workshop in an asynchronous way over mailing lists or slack where you didn’t require everyone to be in the same room at the same time for the workshop.
\n\n[00:31:55] We hear about setting targets based upon prior data or data that already exists, and Richard explains a problem in plucking metrics from thin air.
\n\n[00:36:53] Find out where you can follow Richard on the internet.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Richard Millington.
","summary":"We are super excited to have as our guest, Richard Millington, who’s the Founder of FeverBee and author of _Build Your Community_. Today, we’ll be talking with Richard about communities, metrics, and what FeverBee does for organizations.","date_published":"2022-07-08T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/2418289d-7385-4a14-a332-0502b697b59a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":81162317,"duration_in_seconds":2536}]},{"id":"233da3ca-df15-431e-8140-6559bc40e38d","title":"Episode 60: Lessons Learned in Implementing Community Management Metrics","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/60","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Venia is super excited about this episode because you may know our guests from around the community. Today, we have Brian Oblinger, Senior Vice President of New Products at Commsor, and Lori Goldman, Community Manager at ForgeRock. Our conversations touch on how Brian and Lori found themselves in community and their experiences with measuring community health over the years. We also learn about some start-ups in the community, what CMX has done in the community, where the community is going in a post 2022 world, and some projects Lori and Brian are working on. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:01:11] Brian and Lori share their stories on how they found themselves in community and measuring community health.\n\n[00:04:58] We hear about some start-ups such as Commsor, Orbit, and Common Room. \n\n[00:06:24] Lori and Brian talk about their experiences with measuring community health over the years.\n\n[00:10:26] Venia wonders how we’re supposed to bring businesses back into the discussion about measurement marketing, and Brian explains it’s about understanding who you’re talking to and understanding their language and Lori mentions monetizing it.\n\n[00:13:05] Lori speaks about the conversation about metrics and the wrapping in of community and CMX.\n\n[00:18:08] Venia explains her take on managing metrics, and Lori and Brian share some thoughts.\n\n[00:20:06] We find out how this community measurement is going to look like in a post-2022, post pandemic, and the problems that need to be solved.\n\n[00:24:23] Lori brings up the interconnection between community and developer relations and how do we work best with that function since it’s so important, and Brian and Venia share their thoughts.\n\n[00:27:56] Find out what Lori and Brian are doing as far as projects in the next six months to a year with community metrics.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:31:12] Brian’s picks are a meeting series built by Tiffany Oda and Cassie Mayes called Community OPServations and subscribing to MasterClass.\n[00:32:29] Lori’s picks are Duolingo to learn Spanish and to start a personal podcast.\n[00:34:08] Venia’s pick is an information diet campaign she put together. \n\n\nPanelist:\n\nVenia Logan\n\nGuests:\n\n\nBrian Oblinger\nLori Goldman\n\n\nSponsor:\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nVenia Logan Twitter\nBrian Oblinger Website\nBrian Oblinger Twitter\nBrian Oblinger LinkedIn\nLori Goldman LinkedIn\nForgeRock\nCommsor \nOrbit\nCommon Room\nCMX Summit 2022\nCommunity OPServations\nMasterClass\nDuolingo\n The Information Diet: A Case for Conscious Consumption by Clay A. Johnson\nHow to go on an information diet by Anne-Laure Le Cunff (Ness Labs)\nSpecial Guests: Brian Oblinger and Lori Goldman.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Venia is super excited about this episode because you may know our guests from around the community. Today, we have Brian Oblinger, Senior Vice President of New Products at Commsor, and Lori Goldman, Community Manager at ForgeRock. Our conversations touch on how Brian and Lori found themselves in community and their experiences with measuring community health over the years. We also learn about some start-ups in the community, what CMX has done in the community, where the community is going in a post 2022 world, and some projects Lori and Brian are working on. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:01:11] Brian and Lori share their stories on how they found themselves in community and measuring community health.
\n\n[00:04:58] We hear about some start-ups such as Commsor, Orbit, and Common Room.
\n\n[00:06:24] Lori and Brian talk about their experiences with measuring community health over the years.
\n\n[00:10:26] Venia wonders how we’re supposed to bring businesses back into the discussion about measurement marketing, and Brian explains it’s about understanding who you’re talking to and understanding their language and Lori mentions monetizing it.
\n\n[00:13:05] Lori speaks about the conversation about metrics and the wrapping in of community and CMX.
\n\n[00:18:08] Venia explains her take on managing metrics, and Lori and Brian share some thoughts.
\n\n[00:20:06] We find out how this community measurement is going to look like in a post-2022, post pandemic, and the problems that need to be solved.
\n\n[00:24:23] Lori brings up the interconnection between community and developer relations and how do we work best with that function since it’s so important, and Brian and Venia share their thoughts.
\n\n[00:27:56] Find out what Lori and Brian are doing as far as projects in the next six months to a year with community metrics.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelist:
\n\nVenia Logan
\n\nGuests:
\n\nBrian Oblinger
Lori Goldman
Sponsor:
\n\n\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Brian Oblinger and Lori Goldman.
","summary":"Today, we have Brian Oblinger, Senior Vice President of New Products at Commsor, and Lori Goldman, Community Manager at ForgeRock. Our conversations touch on how Brian and Lori found themselves in community and their experiences with measuring community health over the years. We also learn about some start-ups in the community, what CMX has done in the community, where the community is going in a post 2022 world, and some projects Lori and Brian are working on.","date_published":"2022-06-04T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/233da3ca-df15-431e-8140-6559bc40e38d.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":69206789,"duration_in_seconds":2162}]},{"id":"04695e22-4ba6-4bee-81e2-ad8e77076266","title":"Episode 59: The Craft of Coding and Code Metrics for Open Source in M&As","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/59","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, our special guest is Matt Van Itallie, who’s the Founder and CEO of Sema, a software company focused on code quality. Today, we find out about Sema’s tools, one being an analytics tool to understand open source, the other one helps developers build a portfolio of their work, and we learn how these tools relate to the work CHAOSS is doing. Also, Matt goes in depth about “code is a craft,” using Sonar for Linting, and ScanCode, and some things he would like to make better in the future. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! \n\n[00:01:42] Matt tells us his background and what brought him to CHAOSS.\n\n[00:03:17] We hear Matt’s thoughts on the various paradoxes and complexities when evaluating code quality in open source, Sean asks Matt if anyone has cataloged the available Linters, and we hear about an open source project called ScanCode.\n\n[00:07:21] Sean brings up the language agnostic code quality analysis tool, and Matt explains how it works, what the benefits are, and some constraints that he’s discovered in his work.\n\n[00:09:54] Georg wonders how detailed Matt gets looking at the process analysis.\n\n[00:12:37] Matt talks about explaining quality measurement to executives and non-technical executives.\n\n[00:15:19] Since security is always a concern, Sean tells us about a challenge they have in the Risk working group at CHAOSS with identifying various declared recognized risks, and Matt explains how this relates to the work he’s doing.\n\n[00:21:10] Georg wonders if there’s anything Matt wants to make better in the future and if the CHAOSS Community can help him with it. He explains an automated tool to understand the health of the guild.\n\n[00:26:40] Matt talks about a tool from Sema that makes it easier and faster to write code reviews and using ScanCode. \n\n[00:29:33] Find out where you can follow Matt online.\n\nQuote:\n\n[00:19:29] “Code is a craft means that creators matter a ton because there’s so much institutional knowledge in their heads about how things fit together and the meaning of it. Crafts people create meaning that is incredibly hard to transfer.”\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:30:29] Georg’s pick is moving into a new house.\n[00:30:46] Matt’s pick are two extraordinary open source community leaders, Kunal and Eddie.\n[00:31:30] Sean’s picks are being back on his bicycle, TREK 520 with Schwalbe tires, and to thank Google, Red Hat, and VMware for all the support they’ve provided for CHAOSS Project.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nSean Goggins\n\n\nGuest:\n\nMatt Van Itallie\n\nSponsor:\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nGeorg Link Twitter\nSean Goggins Twitter\nMatt Van Itallie Twitter\nMatt Van Itallie LinkedIn\nSema\nSonar\nScanCode toolkit-GitHub\nKunal Kushwaha Twitter\nEddie Jaoude Twitter\nTREK 520\nSchwalbe tires\nSpecial Guest: Matt Van Itallie.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, our special guest is Matt Van Itallie, who’s the Founder and CEO of Sema, a software company focused on code quality. Today, we find out about Sema’s tools, one being an analytics tool to understand open source, the other one helps developers build a portfolio of their work, and we learn how these tools relate to the work CHAOSS is doing. Also, Matt goes in depth about “code is a craft,” using Sonar for Linting, and ScanCode, and some things he would like to make better in the future. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:01:42] Matt tells us his background and what brought him to CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:03:17] We hear Matt’s thoughts on the various paradoxes and complexities when evaluating code quality in open source, Sean asks Matt if anyone has cataloged the available Linters, and we hear about an open source project called ScanCode.
\n\n[00:07:21] Sean brings up the language agnostic code quality analysis tool, and Matt explains how it works, what the benefits are, and some constraints that he’s discovered in his work.
\n\n[00:09:54] Georg wonders how detailed Matt gets looking at the process analysis.
\n\n[00:12:37] Matt talks about explaining quality measurement to executives and non-technical executives.
\n\n[00:15:19] Since security is always a concern, Sean tells us about a challenge they have in the Risk working group at CHAOSS with identifying various declared recognized risks, and Matt explains how this relates to the work he’s doing.
\n\n[00:21:10] Georg wonders if there’s anything Matt wants to make better in the future and if the CHAOSS Community can help him with it. He explains an automated tool to understand the health of the guild.
\n\n[00:26:40] Matt talks about a tool from Sema that makes it easier and faster to write code reviews and using ScanCode.
\n\n[00:29:33] Find out where you can follow Matt online.
\n\nQuote:
\n\n[00:19:29] “Code is a craft means that creators matter a ton because there’s so much institutional knowledge in their heads about how things fit together and the meaning of it. Crafts people create meaning that is incredibly hard to transfer.”
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nMatt Van Itallie
\n\nSponsor:
\n\n\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Matt Van Itallie.
","summary":"Today, our special guest is Matt Van Itallie, who’s the Founder and CEO of Sema, a software company focused on code quality. Today, we find out about Sema’s tools, one being an analytics tool to understand open source, the other one helps developers build a portfolio of their work, and we learn how these tools relate to the work CHAOSS is doing. ","date_published":"2022-05-20T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/04695e22-4ba6-4bee-81e2-ad8e77076266.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":65190424,"duration_in_seconds":2037}]},{"id":"51d19fd3-1541-42a0-8be0-e5cde8da4673","title":"Episode 58: Panel Discussion: The Future of Metrics","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/58","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, Venia, Don, and Sean are having a panel discussion about the juicy news with Google Analytics, the history of it, their experience with it over the years, and the future of metrics. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! \n\n[00:01:47] Don, Sean, and Venia share their experiences with Google Analytics. \n\n[00:03:45] Venia announces the big news about Google Analytics and we hear about the history of Google Analytics.\n\n[00:13:47] Sean asks if the folks who were invisible to the conventional Analytics become a prototype of what people have in terms of tools and power under the new Google, and Venia explains “dark data.”\n\n[00:16:25] Don talks about the global privacy control you have to do for handling personal data in California and the California Detector.\n\n[00:17:32] Venia talks about what happened in 2016 with GDPR. \n\n[00:19:29] Where does Google Analytics new platform fit into this problem space? \n\n[00:22:46] Sean asks if we are anthropomorphizing his smart fridge if it’s connected to the internet and if it now has a right to be forgotten, and Venia and Don respond.\n\n[00:27:37] Don explains about how we put a lot of emphasis on privacy changes but arbitrary policy changes by big platforms also have a big impact, and we learn how much will be handled by JavaScript Frameworks and development tools down the road.\n\n[00:30:54] Venia wonders how much of a nightmare this transition will be, and what it will look like for the business owner, the end user, and for Google. \n\n[00:36:24] What are the implications for people who buy and sell these ads by the thousand and what are the implications for the consumer?\n\n[00:40:30] We hear about a new group called the Private Advertising Technology Community Group and what they do.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:41:25] Don’s pick is The Flask Mega-Tutorial.\n[00:43:23] Venia’s pick is working in her sketchbook.\n[00:43:56] Sean’s pick is getting outside to ride his bicycle.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nVenia Logan\nDon Marti\nSean Goggins\n\n\nSponsor:\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nFord Foundation\n\nFlask Mega-Tutorial Update: Flask 2.0 and more! By Miguel Grinberg\n\nNews:\n\nGoogle Sunsetting Universal Analytics in 2023\n\nEurope’s Move Against Google Analytics Is Just the Beginning\n\nUPDATE: CNIL decides EU-US data transfer to Google Analytics illegal\n\nWebsite fined by German court for leaking visitor’s IP address via Google Fonts\n\nState Laws Related to Digital Privacy\n\nProblems Persist With Google’s Privacy Sandbox Proposals as Trials Open\n\nCase Studies:\n\nHow Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did\n\nData Brokers: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) YouTube\n\nNext steps in privacy-preserving Telemetry with Prio-Mozilla Security Blog\n\nPrivacy Tools:\n\nGhostery\n\nClearURLs\n\nGlobal Privacy Control\n\nImplementing Global Privacy Control in Firefox\n\nCCPA opt out, nerd edition (Don Marti Blog)\n\nCleaning up YouTube (Don Marti Blog)\n\nForums:\n\nPrivate Advertising Technology Community Group\n\nCPPA Regulations (Public rulemaking process for CPRA (next generation of CCPA)\n\nFair Competition on the Post-Cookie Web","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, Venia, Don, and Sean are having a panel discussion about the juicy news with Google Analytics, the history of it, their experience with it over the years, and the future of metrics. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:01:47] Don, Sean, and Venia share their experiences with Google Analytics.
\n\n[00:03:45] Venia announces the big news about Google Analytics and we hear about the history of Google Analytics.
\n\n[00:13:47] Sean asks if the folks who were invisible to the conventional Analytics become a prototype of what people have in terms of tools and power under the new Google, and Venia explains “dark data.”
\n\n[00:16:25] Don talks about the global privacy control you have to do for handling personal data in California and the California Detector.
\n\n[00:17:32] Venia talks about what happened in 2016 with GDPR.
\n\n[00:19:29] Where does Google Analytics new platform fit into this problem space?
\n\n[00:22:46] Sean asks if we are anthropomorphizing his smart fridge if it’s connected to the internet and if it now has a right to be forgotten, and Venia and Don respond.
\n\n[00:27:37] Don explains about how we put a lot of emphasis on privacy changes but arbitrary policy changes by big platforms also have a big impact, and we learn how much will be handled by JavaScript Frameworks and development tools down the road.
\n\n[00:30:54] Venia wonders how much of a nightmare this transition will be, and what it will look like for the business owner, the end user, and for Google.
\n\n[00:36:24] What are the implications for people who buy and sell these ads by the thousand and what are the implications for the consumer?
\n\n[00:40:30] We hear about a new group called the Private Advertising Technology Community Group and what they do.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\n\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFlask Mega-Tutorial Update: Flask 2.0 and more! By Miguel Grinberg
\n\nNews:
\n\nGoogle Sunsetting Universal Analytics in 2023
\n\nEurope’s Move Against Google Analytics Is Just the Beginning
\n\nUPDATE: CNIL decides EU-US data transfer to Google Analytics illegal
\n\nWebsite fined by German court for leaking visitor’s IP address via Google Fonts
\n\nState Laws Related to Digital Privacy
\n\nProblems Persist With Google’s Privacy Sandbox Proposals as Trials Open
\n\nCase Studies:
\n\nHow Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did
\n\nData Brokers: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) YouTube
\n\nNext steps in privacy-preserving Telemetry with Prio-Mozilla Security Blog
\n\nPrivacy Tools:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImplementing Global Privacy Control in Firefox
\n\nCCPA opt out, nerd edition (Don Marti Blog)
\n\nCleaning up YouTube (Don Marti Blog)
\n\nForums:
\n\nPrivate Advertising Technology Community Group
\n\nCPPA Regulations (Public rulemaking process for CPRA (next generation of CCPA)
\n\nFair Competition on the Post-Cookie Web
","summary":"Today, Venia, Don, and Sean are having a panel discussion about the juicy news with Google Analytics, the history of it, their experience with it over the years, and the future of metrics.","date_published":"2022-05-06T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/51d19fd3-1541-42a0-8be0-e5cde8da4673.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":86500466,"duration_in_seconds":2703}]},{"id":"6f573337-2e49-4f8f-8962-1654a4b5e236","title":"Episode 57: The Ins and Outs of Large Scale Research","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/57","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are excited to have as our guest, Hilary Carter, who is the Vice President of Research at the Linux Foundation where she leads the creation of decision-useful insights into the open source technologies and standards underpinning much of the digital infrastructure on which the global economy depends. Today’s discussion focuses on the Linux Foundation Research. Hilary goes in depth with the planning process on what she chooses to investigate, their process of surveys and collecting trace data, metrics, and some surprises she learned about research in the open source community. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! \n\n[00:02:09] Hilary tells us her background and how she got to be the VP of Research at the Linux Foundation.\n\n[00:04:02] What is Hilary’s planning and scoping process to choose what she chooses to investigate? \n\n[00:07:01] When Hilary talks about the open source paradigm and the framework built around it, we learn where she sees the community within that.\n\n[00:08:35] Since Hilary has been in her role for a year, she explains some things she was surprised to learn about research in this area.\n\n[00:10:59] Sophia wonders how Hilary has had to adapt her research processes in order to develop methodologies in this new format.\n\n[00:16:00] Georg wonders how much Hilary leverages the LFX insights platform and how much other data does she collect about communities without having to incentivize people.\n\n[00:20:02] Kate asks if there are areas Hilary would like to see more standard metrics evolve to make it easier to match things up and get insight.\n\n[00:24:10] We learn how Hilary is creating research for specific users or personas.\n\n[00:26:38] Sophia brings up a great question to Hilary about how we can coordinate as a community so we can collaborate and work more in tandem with each other. \n\n[00:29:24] Hilary talks about establishing a working group to share ideas within the community. \n\n[00:30:13] Find out where you can follow Hilary and her work online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:31:02] Georg’s pick is going on a family road trip for Spring Break. \n[00:31:40] Hilary’s pick is working remotely from her cottage this summer. \n[00:32:26] Kate’s pick is reviewing the submissions for OSS NA tracks.\n[00:32:44] Sophia’s pick is her travel yoga mat and using it for trips.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nKate Stewart\nSophia Vargas\n\n\nGuest:\n\nHilary Carter\n\nSponsor:\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nFord Foundation\nHilary Carter Twitter\nHilary Carter LinkedIn\nhcarter@linuxfoundation.org \nresearch@linuxfoundation.org\nThe Linux Foundation Research\nYoga Travel Mats\nSpecial Guest: Hilary Carter.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are excited to have as our guest, Hilary Carter, who is the Vice President of Research at the Linux Foundation where she leads the creation of decision-useful insights into the open source technologies and standards underpinning much of the digital infrastructure on which the global economy depends. Today’s discussion focuses on the Linux Foundation Research. Hilary goes in depth with the planning process on what she chooses to investigate, their process of surveys and collecting trace data, metrics, and some surprises she learned about research in the open source community. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:02:09] Hilary tells us her background and how she got to be the VP of Research at the Linux Foundation.
\n\n[00:04:02] What is Hilary’s planning and scoping process to choose what she chooses to investigate?
\n\n[00:07:01] When Hilary talks about the open source paradigm and the framework built around it, we learn where she sees the community within that.
\n\n[00:08:35] Since Hilary has been in her role for a year, she explains some things she was surprised to learn about research in this area.
\n\n[00:10:59] Sophia wonders how Hilary has had to adapt her research processes in order to develop methodologies in this new format.
\n\n[00:16:00] Georg wonders how much Hilary leverages the LFX insights platform and how much other data does she collect about communities without having to incentivize people.
\n\n[00:20:02] Kate asks if there are areas Hilary would like to see more standard metrics evolve to make it easier to match things up and get insight.
\n\n[00:24:10] We learn how Hilary is creating research for specific users or personas.
\n\n[00:26:38] Sophia brings up a great question to Hilary about how we can coordinate as a community so we can collaborate and work more in tandem with each other.
\n\n[00:29:24] Hilary talks about establishing a working group to share ideas within the community.
\n\n[00:30:13] Find out where you can follow Hilary and her work online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nHilary Carter
\n\nSponsor:
\n\n\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Hilary Carter.
","summary":"Today, we are excited to have as our guest, Hilary Carter, who is the Vice President of Research at the Linux Foundation where she leads the creation of decision-useful insights into the open source technologies and standards underpinning much of the digital infrastructure on which the global economy depends.","date_published":"2022-04-22T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/6f573337-2e49-4f8f-8962-1654a4b5e236.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":67556811,"duration_in_seconds":2111}]},{"id":"871f9f8a-c7ee-4677-bb2a-ec4120565332","title":"Episode 56: Using GrimoireLab to Understand the Health of Your Open Source Project","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/56","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. On this episode we have joining us, Chenqi Shan, who’s an open source developer at Huawei Open Source management center. Today we have a great discussion about GrimoireLab, which is a powerful CHAOSS tool for gathering data, and we find out a multitude of dashboards that can be used to show metric models. Chenqi shares with us how she uses GrimoireLab and how her experience has been contributing to the GrimoireLab project. Daniel details the GrimoireLab repository Sigils, and the component Perceval, and we hear stories about different approaches and different problems that we’re trying to solve with GrimoireLab. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! \n\n[00:01:53] Daniel gives us a little history of Grimoire Lab, and Chenqi tells us how she uses GrimoireLab and the benefits it has for her organization and her analysis of open source software, health, sustainability, and openEuler.\n\n[00:05:59] Sean asks Chenqi about what kinds of key information do the special interest groups get from GrimoireLab that help them understand the work that needs to be done or how things are going, and Chenqi also explains what she means by health.\n\n[00:07:33] Chenqi tells us if she uses any other big metrics in their dashboards or in their setups besides the health for the response.\n\n[00:08:32] With 90 special interest groups involved, we find out if there are less experienced or newer groups that look at different metrics than some of the more experienced special interest groups.\n\n[00:10:05] Venia and Daniel talk about how different dashboards are useful to different projects at different levels or parts of their life cycle.\n\n[00:14:10] Chenqi explains their metrics.\n\n[00:16:02] We hear Chenqi’s thoughts on her experience contributing to the Grimoire Lab project.\n\n[00:17:12] Chenqi shares some recommendations for developers that would like to help with GrimoireLab gitee or GrimoireLab.\n\n[00:18:04] Venia, Daniel, and Sean share some important things about GrimoireLab and then Daniel tells us about the GrimoireLab repository Sigils.\n\n[00:25:56] Chenqi tells us why they used OpenSearch instead of Elasticsearch on their project.\n\n[00:27:32] Daniel explains if it’s common to have different platform dashboards or metric models that are presented to different projects or roles on a project in a larger organization or open source enterprise. \n\n[00:32:00] Find out about Perceval, which is a very powerful component of GrimoireLab, and Venia talks about a case study she did.\n\n[00:36:58] Looking forward towards the next year, Daniel talks about some of the key objectives happening in GrimoireLab in terms of new features, new functionality, and advances in technology and he shares a wish list of what he would like to see. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:40:54] Sean’s pick is his bicycle.\n[00:41:31] Venia’s pick is having better help with virtual digital therapy available.\n[00:42:09] Daniel’s pick is being able to meet with people.\n[00:42:43] Chenqi’s pick is going to Universal Studios and seeing Harry Potter.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\nSean Goggins\n\nVenia Logan\n\nDaniel Izguierdo\n\nGuest:\n\nChenqi Shan\n\nSponsor:\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nFord Foundation\n\nSean Goggins Twitter\n\nVenia Logan Twitter\n\nDaniel Izguierdo Twitter\n\nChenqi Shan-GitHub\n\nHuawei\n\nopenEuler\n\nGrimoireLab \n\nGrimoireLab-gitee\n\nSigil\n\nGeneric Dashboards for GrimoireLab-Sigils\n\nGrimoireLab Perceval-GitHub\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 21: Extending GrimoireLab projects with Ria and VenuSpecial Guest: Chenqi Shan.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. On this episode we have joining us, Chenqi Shan, who’s an open source developer at Huawei Open Source management center. Today we have a great discussion about GrimoireLab, which is a powerful CHAOSS tool for gathering data, and we find out a multitude of dashboards that can be used to show metric models. Chenqi shares with us how she uses GrimoireLab and how her experience has been contributing to the GrimoireLab project. Daniel details the GrimoireLab repository Sigils, and the component Perceval, and we hear stories about different approaches and different problems that we’re trying to solve with GrimoireLab. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:01:53] Daniel gives us a little history of Grimoire Lab, and Chenqi tells us how she uses GrimoireLab and the benefits it has for her organization and her analysis of open source software, health, sustainability, and openEuler.
\n\n[00:05:59] Sean asks Chenqi about what kinds of key information do the special interest groups get from GrimoireLab that help them understand the work that needs to be done or how things are going, and Chenqi also explains what she means by health.
\n\n[00:07:33] Chenqi tells us if she uses any other big metrics in their dashboards or in their setups besides the health for the response.
\n\n[00:08:32] With 90 special interest groups involved, we find out if there are less experienced or newer groups that look at different metrics than some of the more experienced special interest groups.
\n\n[00:10:05] Venia and Daniel talk about how different dashboards are useful to different projects at different levels or parts of their life cycle.
\n\n[00:14:10] Chenqi explains their metrics.
\n\n[00:16:02] We hear Chenqi’s thoughts on her experience contributing to the Grimoire Lab project.
\n\n[00:17:12] Chenqi shares some recommendations for developers that would like to help with GrimoireLab gitee or GrimoireLab.
\n\n[00:18:04] Venia, Daniel, and Sean share some important things about GrimoireLab and then Daniel tells us about the GrimoireLab repository Sigils.
\n\n[00:25:56] Chenqi tells us why they used OpenSearch instead of Elasticsearch on their project.
\n\n[00:27:32] Daniel explains if it’s common to have different platform dashboards or metric models that are presented to different projects or roles on a project in a larger organization or open source enterprise.
\n\n[00:32:00] Find out about Perceval, which is a very powerful component of GrimoireLab, and Venia talks about a case study she did.
\n\n[00:36:58] Looking forward towards the next year, Daniel talks about some of the key objectives happening in GrimoireLab in terms of new features, new functionality, and advances in technology and he shares a wish list of what he would like to see.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nSean Goggins
\n\nVenia Logan
\n\nDaniel Izguierdo
\n\nGuest:
\n\nChenqi Shan
\n\nSponsor:
\n\n\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nGeneric Dashboards for GrimoireLab-Sigils
\n\n\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 21: Extending GrimoireLab projects with Ria and Venu
Special Guest: Chenqi Shan.
","summary":"On this episode we have joining us, Chenqi Shan, who’s an open source developer at Huawei Open Source management center. Today we have a great discussion about GrimoireLab, which is a powerful CHAOSS tool for gathering data, and we find out a multitude of dashboards that can be used to show metric models. ","date_published":"2022-04-08T06:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/871f9f8a-c7ee-4677-bb2a-ec4120565332.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":84768664,"duration_in_seconds":2648}]},{"id":"5c9d2ef1-f470-419c-9f82-ba91348e7d3c","title":"Episode 55: GSOC 2021: \"Risky\" Business","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/55","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. On today’s episode, we have joining us as our guest, Dhruv Sachdev, who’s an undergraduate Computer Engineering student at Mumbai University and was a Google Summer of Code 2021 student for CHAOSS. Dhruv is here to talk about his path to open source and the project he did with the Google Summer of Code 2021. We hear about his experience managing his time as a student and working on this project, what projects he’s excited about doing in the near future, and he shares advice if you are new to open source or if you’re looking to explore the world of open source. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! \n\n[00:02:00] Dhruv tells us his path to open source, when he started working on an open source project, how he found out about it, and what he finds cool about CHAOSS. \n\n[00:03:40] Sean wonders what it is about the measurement and analytics field that is so fascinating to Dhruv.\n\n[00:06:28] We hear more about Dhruv’s project he did with the Google Summer of Code.\n\n[00:10:34] Dhruv tells us what resources really helped him when he started with the Augur team to better understand the software components and more about how CHAOSS was structured.\n\n[00:12:17] Sophia talks about a research article evaluating hackathons and how effective they are on open source projects, and Sean tells us about the benefits and impacts of Google Summer of Code.\n\n[00:15:33] Dhruv explains his experience as a student, how he thought about time management, and volunteering his time in this space while still in school.\n\n[00:21:00] Sean talks about Dhruv’s pieces that he did of Augur that looked at metrics and wonders why dependencies are so important right now, and Sophia explains why.\n\n[00:25:45] Sean explains what happened in the OpenSSL security breach and talks about Heartbleed. Sophia brings up a previous episode with Avi Press, Founder of Scarf, which is an analytics tool, and explains about the vulnerabilities with tools.\n\n[00:29:50] Find out what Dhruv is most excited about doing in the near future with projects.\n\n[00:32:54] Dhruv shares advice if you are new to open source or students who are looking to explore the vast ecosystem of open source.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:35:04] Sean’s pick is Discord’s emergence. \n[00:36:11] Sophia’s pick is cats and daylight savings time.\n[00:38:11] Dhruv’s pick is having so much fun at the MahaShivRatri festival. \n\n\nPanelists:\n\nSean Goggins\n\nSophia Vargas\n\nGuest:\n\nDhruv Sachdev\n\nSponsor:\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nFord Foundation\n\nSean Goggins Twitter\n\nSophia Vargas Twitter\n\nDhruv Sachdev Website\n\nDhruv Sachdev Twitter\n\nDhruv Sachdev LinkedIn\n\nDhruv Sachdev project submission-Google Summer of Code 2021 for CHAOSS \n\nSecurity Scorecards \n\nCHAOSS Augur\n\nCHAOSS Risk Metrics Working Group\n\nCHAOSS Community Handbook\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 53: Gathering Open Source Usage Data with Avi Press\n\nSwiftOnSecurity Twitter\n\nSam Stepanyan Twitter\n\nMahaShivRatri 2022Special Guest: Dhruv Sachdev.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. On today’s episode, we have joining us as our guest, Dhruv Sachdev, who’s an undergraduate Computer Engineering student at Mumbai University and was a Google Summer of Code 2021 student for CHAOSS. Dhruv is here to talk about his path to open source and the project he did with the Google Summer of Code 2021. We hear about his experience managing his time as a student and working on this project, what projects he’s excited about doing in the near future, and he shares advice if you are new to open source or if you’re looking to explore the world of open source. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:02:00] Dhruv tells us his path to open source, when he started working on an open source project, how he found out about it, and what he finds cool about CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:03:40] Sean wonders what it is about the measurement and analytics field that is so fascinating to Dhruv.
\n\n[00:06:28] We hear more about Dhruv’s project he did with the Google Summer of Code.
\n\n[00:10:34] Dhruv tells us what resources really helped him when he started with the Augur team to better understand the software components and more about how CHAOSS was structured.
\n\n[00:12:17] Sophia talks about a research article evaluating hackathons and how effective they are on open source projects, and Sean tells us about the benefits and impacts of Google Summer of Code.
\n\n[00:15:33] Dhruv explains his experience as a student, how he thought about time management, and volunteering his time in this space while still in school.
\n\n[00:21:00] Sean talks about Dhruv’s pieces that he did of Augur that looked at metrics and wonders why dependencies are so important right now, and Sophia explains why.
\n\n[00:25:45] Sean explains what happened in the OpenSSL security breach and talks about Heartbleed. Sophia brings up a previous episode with Avi Press, Founder of Scarf, which is an analytics tool, and explains about the vulnerabilities with tools.
\n\n[00:29:50] Find out what Dhruv is most excited about doing in the near future with projects.
\n\n[00:32:54] Dhruv shares advice if you are new to open source or students who are looking to explore the vast ecosystem of open source.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nSean Goggins
\n\nSophia Vargas
\n\nGuest:
\n\nDhruv Sachdev
\n\nSponsor:
\n\n\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDhruv Sachdev project submission-Google Summer of Code 2021 for CHAOSS
\n\n\n\n\n\nCHAOSS Risk Metrics Working Group
\n\n\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 53: Gathering Open Source Usage Data with Avi Press
\n\n\n\n\n\nSpecial Guest: Dhruv Sachdev.
","summary":"On today’s episode, we have joining us as our guest, Dhruv Sachdev, who’s an undergraduate Computer Engineering student at Mumbai University and was a Google Summer of Code 2021 student for CHAOSS. Dhruv is here to talk about his path to open source and the project he did with the Google Summer of Code 2021.","date_published":"2022-03-25T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/5c9d2ef1-f470-419c-9f82-ba91348e7d3c.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":77326311,"duration_in_seconds":2416}]},{"id":"ece024b1-8219-471e-9e7c-d12ab7b89c53","title":"Episode 54: CHAOSS DEI Reflection Project","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/54","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. On today’s episode, we are talking about Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion Reflection, which is a project that we had at CHAOSS Community to look at our own practices and how we can make our community more welcoming and inclusive, and we were fortunate to receive a grant from the Ford Foundation to complete this work. Our DEI team that has been working on this is joining us to discuss the motivation for this journey, what they’ve learned, implemented, the metrics strategy, and what they are looking forward at into the future of where they can take this work next. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues! \n\n[00:03:40] Some of the panelists share what their motivation was to embark on this journey. \n\n[00:05:27] We hear some things the panelists have learned from looking at the CHAOSS Project and things they’ve been doing to understand what works and where can they improve. \n\n[00:08:05] Elizabeth and Matt explain how the group got together and worked to arrive at their findings. \n\n[00:10:34] We learn about some easy things they’ve learned and implemented.\n\n[00:14:34] Sean dives into the metrics strategy and explains the three categories of metrics, and Matt explains the DEI Badging Program. \n\n[00:19:21] The panelists share things they are looking at into the future of where can we take this work next?\n\n[00:24:41] Find out where you can learn more if you’re interested in this kind of work they’re doing, as well as learn about new things that are coming up with this group. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:25:43] Georg’s pick is being super happy with how professional the medical field has been keeping people happy. \n[00:26:36] Ruth’s pick is to always have hard conversations.\n[00:26:52] Kristi’s pick is she passed the Project Management Professional Certification.\n[00:27:21] Matt’s pick is he bought his first snow blower.\n[00:27:54] Sean’s pick is a book called, Algorithms on Strings.\n[00:28:10] Kafayah’s pick is her plants and a light she found to help them grow during the winter.\n[00:28:27] Elizabeth’s pick is her favorite team, the Cincinnati Bengals.\n[00:29:12] Georgia’s pick is a website called, How I Experienced Web Today.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\nGeorg Link\nKristi Progri\nSelene Yang\nGeorgia Bullen\nRuth Ikegah\nMatt Germonprez\nSean Goggins\nElizabeth Barron\nKafayah Lawal\n\nSponsor:\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nFord Foundation\n\nCHAOSS Blog Post-DEI Audit 2021\n\nGeorg Link Twitter\n\nKristi Progri Twitter\n\nSelene Yang \n\nGeorgia Bullen Twitter\n\nMatt Germonprez Twitter\n\nSean Goggins Twitter\n\nKafayah Lawal LinkedIn\n\nElizabeth Barron Twitter\n\nRuth Ikegah Twitter\n\nCHAOSS Community- Participate \n\nCHAOSS Community Slack\n\nAlgorithms on Strings by Maxime Crochemore, Christophe Hancart, Thierry Lecroq\n\nPlant Grow Light\n\nCincinnati Bengals\n\nHow I Experienced Web Today ","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. On today’s episode, we are talking about Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion Reflection, which is a project that we had at CHAOSS Community to look at our own practices and how we can make our community more welcoming and inclusive, and we were fortunate to receive a grant from the Ford Foundation to complete this work. Our DEI team that has been working on this is joining us to discuss the motivation for this journey, what they’ve learned, implemented, the metrics strategy, and what they are looking forward at into the future of where they can take this work next. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:03:40] Some of the panelists share what their motivation was to embark on this journey.
\n\n[00:05:27] We hear some things the panelists have learned from looking at the CHAOSS Project and things they’ve been doing to understand what works and where can they improve.
\n\n[00:08:05] Elizabeth and Matt explain how the group got together and worked to arrive at their findings.
\n\n[00:10:34] We learn about some easy things they’ve learned and implemented.
\n\n[00:14:34] Sean dives into the metrics strategy and explains the three categories of metrics, and Matt explains the DEI Badging Program.
\n\n[00:19:21] The panelists share things they are looking at into the future of where can we take this work next?
\n\n[00:24:41] Find out where you can learn more if you’re interested in this kind of work they’re doing, as well as learn about new things that are coming up with this group.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGeorg Link
\nKristi Progri
\nSelene Yang
\nGeorgia Bullen
\nRuth Ikegah
\nMatt Germonprez
\nSean Goggins
\nElizabeth Barron
\nKafayah Lawal
Sponsor:
\n\n\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCHAOSS Blog Post-DEI Audit 2021
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAlgorithms on Strings by Maxime Crochemore, Christophe Hancart, Thierry Lecroq
\n\n\n\n\n\n","summary":"Today, we are talking about Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion Reflection, which is a project that was internal to the CHAOSS project. Our DEI team that has been working on this is joining us to discuss the motivation for this journey, what they’ve learned, implemented, the metrics strategy, and the future of where they can take this work. ","date_published":"2022-03-11T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/ece024b1-8219-471e-9e7c-d12ab7b89c53.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":59751486,"duration_in_seconds":1857}]},{"id":"ff461678-321a-4335-832f-5995de7b1afc","title":"Episode 53: Gathering Open Source Usage Data with Avi Press","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/53","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are super excited to have as our guest, Avi Press, Founder and CEO of Scarf. Avi tells us all about Scarf, Scarf Gateway, the tools that compliment it, and details how Scarf is helping open source software developers use data effectively. Also, Avi shares something he was surprised about early on with usage of open source projects. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:02:18] Avi tells us more about his background, what brought him into open source, and what led him to start Scarf.\n\n[00:04:13] We learn more how Scarf works and what the tool is collecting.\n\n[00:06:44] Kate asks Avi if he’s looking at being able to generate out the software buildable materials and making that available at all or maybe something he’s contemplating.\n\n[00:08:18] Avi explains their polices for maintainers and Kate tells us more about a census coming out with people doing scans code that Ari is interested in.\n\n[00:14:55] We hear a story about a package that Ari first built called scarf-js on npm. \n\n[00:18:00] Sophia wonders from a practical standpoint, how the user experience is so they know they’re interacting with Scarf. \n\n[00:20:15] Another question Sophie asks Avi circles back to what a user is, knowing there’s a lot of overlap between activity, new user contributors, and everything in between, and she wonders how that’s handled and the tool. \n\n[00:22:10] Avi explains how they encourage maintainers collect usage data.\n\n[00:23:54] Avi had mentioned that having insights and data about the usage of open source can help an open source project become more sustainable, and he shares examples that he’s seen already put in place. \n\n[00:26:46] Kate asks Avi how he sees what he’s sharing back to the projects differing from the clones out there.\n\n[00:28:05] We learn something that surprised Avi early on being the middleman. \n\n[00:29:24] Find out where you follow Avi online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:30:12] Georg’s pick is having a proud father moment with his son.\n[00:30:54] Kate’s pick is Log4j which is helping to really illustrate the need for SBOMs & tracking dependencies.\n[00:31:26] Sophia’s pick is an electric tea kettle she just acquired. \n[00:33:05] Avi’s picks are two open source projects that he uses: org-mode and org-roam.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nSophia Vargas\nKate Stewart\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nAvi Press\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nAvi Press Website\nAvi Press Twitter\nAvi Press LinkedIn\nScarf\nScarf Twitter\nScarf-GitHub\nScarf-js\nApache Log4j\nOrg Mode\nOrg-roam\nSpecial Guest: Avi Press.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are super excited to have as our guest, Avi Press, Founder and CEO of Scarf. Avi tells us all about Scarf, Scarf Gateway, the tools that compliment it, and details how Scarf is helping open source software developers use data effectively. Also, Avi shares something he was surprised about early on with usage of open source projects. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:02:18] Avi tells us more about his background, what brought him into open source, and what led him to start Scarf.
\n\n[00:04:13] We learn more how Scarf works and what the tool is collecting.
\n\n[00:06:44] Kate asks Avi if he’s looking at being able to generate out the software buildable materials and making that available at all or maybe something he’s contemplating.
\n\n[00:08:18] Avi explains their polices for maintainers and Kate tells us more about a census coming out with people doing scans code that Ari is interested in.
\n\n[00:14:55] We hear a story about a package that Ari first built called scarf-js on npm.
\n\n[00:18:00] Sophia wonders from a practical standpoint, how the user experience is so they know they’re interacting with Scarf.
\n\n[00:20:15] Another question Sophie asks Avi circles back to what a user is, knowing there’s a lot of overlap between activity, new user contributors, and everything in between, and she wonders how that’s handled and the tool.
\n\n[00:22:10] Avi explains how they encourage maintainers collect usage data.
\n\n[00:23:54] Avi had mentioned that having insights and data about the usage of open source can help an open source project become more sustainable, and he shares examples that he’s seen already put in place.
\n\n[00:26:46] Kate asks Avi how he sees what he’s sharing back to the projects differing from the clones out there.
\n\n[00:28:05] We learn something that surprised Avi early on being the middleman.
\n\n[00:29:24] Find out where you follow Avi online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Avi Press.
","summary":"Today, we are super excited to have as our guest, Avi Press, Founder and CEO of Scarf. Avi tells us all about Scarf, Scarf Gateway, the tools that compliment it, and details how Scarf is helping open source software developers use data effectively. Also, Avi shares something he was surprised about early on with usage of open source projects.","date_published":"2022-02-25T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/ff461678-321a-4335-832f-5995de7b1afc.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":66942254,"duration_in_seconds":2091}]},{"id":"1acfb8d4-25f1-49fa-9f03-d3c0e3ad5a58","title":"Episode 52: Understanding the Community through Metrics with Carina C. Zona [Part 2 of 2]","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/52","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we have joining us again, Carina Zona, who is the Head of Developer Relations for Toolchain, which is the lead sponsor of Pantsbuild open source project. If you listened to our previous episode, in Part 1 we talked about the Pants community and how it’s been evolving over the last ten years, and there were conversations about some qualitative means of measuring and some culture around growing community. Today’s episode is Part 2, where we get more hands-on with what you can do with data with understanding the community. Also, Carina details about the tools they use to satisfy their data needs, how they organize all the data, and more about Savannah CRM and tagging. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:02:37] As the Dev Rel person in the community, Carina talks and reports to stakeholders who need different data points, so she explains the data points she looks at and the tools she’s using to satisfy her data needs. \n\n[00:06:00] Carina explains how she organizes all the data that comes in from the surveys.\n\n[00:10:22] We find out some other ways Carina is using the data, as well as who she reports to and what she reports.\n\n[00:12:21] Venia wonders if there are different dashboards and reports that Carina provides to the individuals with completely different key performance indicators.\n\n[00:14:43] The topic of tagging in Savannah CRM is brought up and Carina explains what’s in Savannah. \n\n[00:20:41] Carina tells us more about the tagging in Savannah and Venia wonders if she’s using the tags in order to bring up and study the comments on a customer sentiment.\n\n[00:27:50] Carina shares some advice to other Dev Rels who want to understand the health of their communities and work towards making them more healthy. \n\n[00:30:49] Find out where you can follow Carina online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:32:19] Georg’s pick is designing and building a custom home.\n[00:33:17] Venia’s pick is getting back into doing book clubs this week.\n[00:33:49] Carina’s pick is having conversations with people that she’s fallen out of touch with during the pandemic.\n[00:34:55] Armstrong’s pick is the beauty of family and seeing a very good perspective of life.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nVenia Logan\nArmstrong Foundjem\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nCarina Zona\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nCarina C. Zona Website\nCarina C. Zona Twitter\nPantsbuild\nPantsbuild Twitter\nPantsbuild-GitHub\nPantsbuild Slack\nPantsbuild Blog\nSavannah CRM\nAirtable\nSurveyMonkey\nSpecial Guest: Carina C. Zona.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we have joining us again, Carina Zona, who is the Head of Developer Relations for Toolchain, which is the lead sponsor of Pantsbuild open source project. If you listened to our previous episode, in Part 1 we talked about the Pants community and how it’s been evolving over the last ten years, and there were conversations about some qualitative means of measuring and some culture around growing community. Today’s episode is Part 2, where we get more hands-on with what you can do with data with understanding the community. Also, Carina details about the tools they use to satisfy their data needs, how they organize all the data, and more about Savannah CRM and tagging. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:02:37] As the Dev Rel person in the community, Carina talks and reports to stakeholders who need different data points, so she explains the data points she looks at and the tools she’s using to satisfy her data needs.
\n\n[00:06:00] Carina explains how she organizes all the data that comes in from the surveys.
\n\n[00:10:22] We find out some other ways Carina is using the data, as well as who she reports to and what she reports.
\n\n[00:12:21] Venia wonders if there are different dashboards and reports that Carina provides to the individuals with completely different key performance indicators.
\n\n[00:14:43] The topic of tagging in Savannah CRM is brought up and Carina explains what’s in Savannah.
\n\n[00:20:41] Carina tells us more about the tagging in Savannah and Venia wonders if she’s using the tags in order to bring up and study the comments on a customer sentiment.
\n\n[00:27:50] Carina shares some advice to other Dev Rels who want to understand the health of their communities and work towards making them more healthy.
\n\n[00:30:49] Find out where you can follow Carina online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Carina C. Zona.
","summary":"Today, we have joining us again, Carina Zona, who is the Head of Developer Relations for Toolchain, which is the lead sponsor of Pantsbuild open source project. If you listened to our previous episode, in Part 1 we talked about the Pants community and how it’s been evolving over the last ten years, and there were conversations about some qualitative means of measuring and some culture around growing community. Today’s episode is Part 2, where we get more hands-on with what you can do with data with understanding the community. Also, Carina details about the tools they use to satisfy their data needs, how they organize all the data, and more about Savannah CRM and tagging.","date_published":"2022-02-11T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/1acfb8d4-25f1-49fa-9f03-d3c0e3ad5a58.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":69316163,"duration_in_seconds":2166}]},{"id":"752609af-f397-421a-ad81-4af81d3d381b","title":"Episode 51: Understanding the Community through Metrics - Carina C. Zona [Part 1 of 2]","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/51","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are super excited to have as our guest, Carina Zona, who is the Head of Developer Relations for Toolchain, which is the lead sponsor of Pantsbuild open source project, as well as the Founder of CallbackWomen. Our discussions take us into Carina sharing her knowledge about some qualitative means of measuring and some culture around growing communities. Her passion has been trying to increase gender diversity in this industry as a side project on top of developer relations, and we learn what she’s been doing to help advocate this. We learn more about the Pants community, what this project is, and Carina tells us about adding the welcome channel on Slack and the quantitative work she’s doing on it using Savannah CRM. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:02:27] Carina tells us her background and more about her project, CallbackWomen. \n\n[00:05:52] The topic of data being self-reinforcing is discussed. Venia wonders how Carina approaches conversations with people who are so metrics focused. \n\n[00:12:35] We learn all about the Pants community and what this project is all about.\n\n[00:17:28] Carina fills us in on the who makes up the Pants community.\n\n[00:21:29] Carina makes a clarification about Pants Build being written as an open source project in Python and the core engine written in Rust, and she speaks more about supporting languages and the effect it will have on who exists in your community. \n\n[00:26:09] As the Pants community grows, Venia wonders what Carina has been doing to decide which aspects of that culture are working for the lurkers and silent majority in order to keep it when stakeholders choose to make decisions, and how does she make the decision between what to keep in the culture and what to let go.\n\n[00:30:00] Venia wonders if Carina has considered using the welcome channel for purposes of direct measurement, and she goes in depth about how she’s doing quantitative work on it using Savannah CRM.\n\n[00:34:19] Armstrong wonders if Carina thinks qualitative findings or evidence will challenge or support quantitative numbers she has. She also explains why the number is not important but what matters is the experience. \n\n[00:39:01] Find out where you can follow Carina online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:40:40] Georg’s pick is a new tea pot he bought.\n[00:41:26] Venia’s pick is finding a therapist that is okay with being online.\n[00:42:00] Armstrong’s pick is getting selected to be AI chair at OpenInfra Summit Berlin 2022.\n[00:42:26] Carina’s pick is her new puppy that brings her so much joy. \n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nVenia Logan\nArmstrong Foundjem\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nCarina Zona\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nCarina C. Zona Website\nCarina C. Zona Twitter\nPantsbuild\nPantsbuild Twitter\nToolchain\nCallbackWomen\nCallbackWomen Twitter\nSavannah CRM\nOpenInfra Summit Berlin 2022\nSpecial Guest: Carina C. Zona.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are super excited to have as our guest, Carina Zona, who is the Head of Developer Relations for Toolchain, which is the lead sponsor of Pantsbuild open source project, as well as the Founder of CallbackWomen. Our discussions take us into Carina sharing her knowledge about some qualitative means of measuring and some culture around growing communities. Her passion has been trying to increase gender diversity in this industry as a side project on top of developer relations, and we learn what she’s been doing to help advocate this. We learn more about the Pants community, what this project is, and Carina tells us about adding the welcome channel on Slack and the quantitative work she’s doing on it using Savannah CRM. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:02:27] Carina tells us her background and more about her project, CallbackWomen.
\n\n[00:05:52] The topic of data being self-reinforcing is discussed. Venia wonders how Carina approaches conversations with people who are so metrics focused.
\n\n[00:12:35] We learn all about the Pants community and what this project is all about.
\n\n[00:17:28] Carina fills us in on the who makes up the Pants community.
\n\n[00:21:29] Carina makes a clarification about Pants Build being written as an open source project in Python and the core engine written in Rust, and she speaks more about supporting languages and the effect it will have on who exists in your community.
\n\n[00:26:09] As the Pants community grows, Venia wonders what Carina has been doing to decide which aspects of that culture are working for the lurkers and silent majority in order to keep it when stakeholders choose to make decisions, and how does she make the decision between what to keep in the culture and what to let go.
\n\n[00:30:00] Venia wonders if Carina has considered using the welcome channel for purposes of direct measurement, and she goes in depth about how she’s doing quantitative work on it using Savannah CRM.
\n\n[00:34:19] Armstrong wonders if Carina thinks qualitative findings or evidence will challenge or support quantitative numbers she has. She also explains why the number is not important but what matters is the experience.
\n\n[00:39:01] Find out where you can follow Carina online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Carina C. Zona.
","summary":"Today, we are super excited to have as our guest, Carina Zona, who is the Head of Developer Relations for Toolchain, which is the lead sponsor of Pantsbuild open source project, as well as the Founder of CallbackWomen. Our discussions take us into Carina sharing her knowledge about some qualitative means of measuring and some culture around growing communities. Her passion has been trying to increase gender diversity in this industry as a side project on top of developer relations, and we learn what she’s been doing to help advocate this. We learn more about the Pants community, what this project is, and Carina tells us about adding the welcome channel on Slack and the quantitative work she’s doing on it using Savannah CRM.","date_published":"2022-01-28T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/752609af-f397-421a-ad81-4af81d3d381b.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":84619208,"duration_in_seconds":2644}]},{"id":"bf803f3a-79b8-4123-bb34-7a865547d88d","title":"Episode 50: Recognizing all Kinds of Labor in Open Source Ecosystems with Amanda, Katie, and John","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/50","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we have three amazing guests with us, Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, and John Meluso. Amanda is a Developer Relations Engineer and researcher at Google at the Open Source Programs Office, Katie is a Developer Relations Engineer at Google, and John is the OCEAN Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Vermont. They are with us to talk about Project OCEAN (Open-Source Complex Ecosystems And Networks), how it came to be, where it is now, and what they hope to accomplish going forward. We also learn more about what they see as an open source ecosystem, and they go in depth about contributions and taxonomy. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:03:44] John, Amanda, and Katie tell us their backgrounds and how they got involved in open source.\n\n[00:07:23] We learn more about OCEAN, how it came to be, and where it’s at now.\n\n[00:11:25] Amanda and John explain a bit more about ecosystems.\n\n[00:15:52] Georg wonders what they have realized early on or over time that they want to make sure everyone who looks at open source takes away from their work.\n\n[00:19:59] Amanda brings up a question to the panelists concerning the idea of atomic information around software projects and balancing how much do they keep with a repo versus how do you allow for information to be distributed in many places that many people work, but it doesn’t get lost and you don’t lose somebody’s attribution for the work they do. \n\n[00:28:58] Georg brings up the Types of Contributions metrics link CHAOSS uses that helps show how people can contribute to open source, and Katie shares her thoughts on it. \n\n[00:32:13] Sophie talks about “Which contributions count? Analysis of attribution in open source” report and what this research explores. John explains how they balance things by varying the kinds of methodologies they use. \n\n[00:38:49] Find out where you can follow Amanda, Katie, and John online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:39:45] Georg’s pick is LifeTime wellness and fitness center. \n[00:40:31] Matt’s pick is places to visit in Colorado: Rocky Mtn. National Park, Great Sand Dunes, and Gunnison National Park.\n[00:41:08] Sophia’s pick is emergent property.\n[00:41:57] Amanda’s pick is trading Vermont Golden Dome books with her oldest child. \n[00:43:10] Katie’s pick is the book, CPython Internals by Anthony Shaw.\n[00:44:03] John’s pick is the book, Data Feminism by Catherine D’Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein.\n\n\nRequest from our Guests:\n\nOpen Source Folks: Take (and share!) this anonymous survey about receiving credit for tasks in open source! Conducted by researchers at the University of Vermont in partnership with Google Open Source.\n\n[https://qualtrics.uvm.edu/jfe/form/SV_1zUs19oVcZJ0SPA](https://qualtrics.uvm.edu/jfe/form/SV_1zUs19oVcZJ0SPA)\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nSophia Vargas\nMatt Germonprez\n\n\nGuests:\n\n\nAmanda Casari\nKatie McLaughlin\nJohn Meluso\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nProject OCEAN\nAmanda Casari Twitter\nOpen Source Stories-Amanda Casari Website\nAmanda Casari Linkedin\nKatie McLaughlin Twitter\nKatie McLaughlin Website\nJohn Meluso Twitter\nJohn Meluso Linkedin\nJohn Meluso, PhD Website\nJohn Meluso Email\nACROSS Taxonomy-GitHub\nCHAOSS Types of Contributions metrics\nWhich contributions count? Analysis of attribution in open source-Jean-Gabriel Young, Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, Milo Z. Trujillo, Laurent Hébert-Dufresne, James P. Bagrow\nOpen source ecosystems need equitable credit across contributions-Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, Milo Z. Trujillo, Jean-Gabriel young, James P. Bagrow, & Laurent Hébert-Dufresne\nNadia Eghbal Website\nRoads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind Our Digital Infrastructure by Nadia Eghbal\nWorking in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal\nA Place to Hang Your Hat- Leslie Hawthorn’s Hat Rack blog post\nOctohatrack-GitHub \nA tool for tracking non-code GitHub contributions-Katie McLaughlin\nRecognize All Contributors\nCHAOSScast Podcast- Episode 39: Leaderboards and Metrics at Drupal.org with Matthew Tift and Tim Lehnen\nLifeTime\nRocky Mountain National Park\nGreat Sand Dunes\nBlack Canyon Of The Gunnison\nWhat Are Emergent Properties? \nVermont Golden Dome Books\nCPython Internals by Andrew Shaw\nData Feminism by Catherine D’Ignazio \nSpecial Guests: Amanda Casari, John Meluso, and Katie McLaughlin.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we have three amazing guests with us, Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, and John Meluso. Amanda is a Developer Relations Engineer and researcher at Google at the Open Source Programs Office, Katie is a Developer Relations Engineer at Google, and John is the OCEAN Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Vermont. They are with us to talk about Project OCEAN (Open-Source Complex Ecosystems And Networks), how it came to be, where it is now, and what they hope to accomplish going forward. We also learn more about what they see as an open source ecosystem, and they go in depth about contributions and taxonomy. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:03:44] John, Amanda, and Katie tell us their backgrounds and how they got involved in open source.
\n\n[00:07:23] We learn more about OCEAN, how it came to be, and where it’s at now.
\n\n[00:11:25] Amanda and John explain a bit more about ecosystems.
\n\n[00:15:52] Georg wonders what they have realized early on or over time that they want to make sure everyone who looks at open source takes away from their work.
\n\n[00:19:59] Amanda brings up a question to the panelists concerning the idea of atomic information around software projects and balancing how much do they keep with a repo versus how do you allow for information to be distributed in many places that many people work, but it doesn’t get lost and you don’t lose somebody’s attribution for the work they do.
\n\n[00:28:58] Georg brings up the Types of Contributions metrics link CHAOSS uses that helps show how people can contribute to open source, and Katie shares her thoughts on it.
\n\n[00:32:13] Sophie talks about “Which contributions count? Analysis of attribution in open source” report and what this research explores. John explains how they balance things by varying the kinds of methodologies they use.
\n\n[00:38:49] Find out where you can follow Amanda, Katie, and John online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nRequest from our Guests:
\n\nOpen Source Folks: Take (and share!) this anonymous survey about receiving credit for tasks in open source! Conducted by researchers at the University of Vermont in partnership with Google Open Source.
\n\n[https://qualtrics.uvm.edu/jfe/form/SV_1zUs19oVcZJ0SPA](https://qualtrics.uvm.edu/jfe/form/SV_1zUs19oVcZJ0SPA)\nPanelists:
\n\nGuests:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Amanda Casari, John Meluso, and Katie McLaughlin.
","summary":"Today, we have three amazing guests with us, Amanda Casari, Katie McLaughlin, and John Meluso. Amanda is a Developer Relations Engineer and researcher at Google at the Open Source Programs Office, Katie is a Developer Relations Engineer at Google, and John is the OCEAN Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Vermont. They are with us to talk about Project OCEAN (Open-Source Complex Ecosystems And Networks), how it came to be, where it is now, and what they hope to accomplish going forward. We also learn more about what they see as an open source ecosystem, and they go in depth about contributions and taxonomy.","date_published":"2022-01-14T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/bf803f3a-79b8-4123-bb34-7a865547d88d.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":66113622,"duration_in_seconds":2754}]},{"id":"8a30b221-b808-455f-a6dd-a21e30fc124c","title":"Episode 49: CHAOSS Community Year 2021 in Review","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/49","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited for today’s episode because we are doing a “Year 2021 in Review” with our panel of representatives from the CHAOSS community from all around the world. Joining us today are Georg, Sean, Matt, Willem, Dawn, Nicole, Elizabeth, and Xiaoya. Our panelists tell us their favorite episodes from this year, we hear about new advances in software for CHAOSS Project, things that happened around metrics in CHAOSS, and DEI Badging for Events that was built out this year. Also, we learn more about conversations that happened from this year with metrics models, dependencies, and ethics guidelines. And finally, the panelists share with us where they want to see the CHAOSS Project going in 2022. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:04:35] Find out which episodes are the panelists favorites. \n\n[00:08:15] The CHAOSScast Podcast is headed to China and we hear more about it. \n\n[00:11:31] Sean fills us in on interesting new advances in software for CHAOSS Project, and Georg tells us more about some things that happened in the Grimoire Lab Project. \n\n[00:13:30] We move on to metrics and we hear what’s happened in the CHAOSS community around metrics this year. \n\n[00:17:36] Nicole and Matt explain more about the Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion Badging for Events that was built out over this last year. \n\n[00:20:55] On the topic of DEI, CHAOSS community did some reflection over the past year and Matt tells us how it went.\n\n[00:24:31] Georg highlights three conversations from this year which are metrics models, dependencies, and ethics guidelines. The panelists dive into metrics models and talk more about what they are and what CHAOSS is doing with them.\n\n[00:28:59] Sean explains what they learned about the different types of dependencies that we have and the different ways that we can look at them through metrics.\n\n[00:30:45] The third topic of ethics of data and metrics is discussed. Georg explains the data policy that was written this year that you find on their website and Matt and Elizabeth share some other things that have been going on with guidance to ethics in how people use metrics. \n\n[00:34:45] Georg brings up the Pandemic and COVID, how they finally had their first in-person event this year, and the panelists chime in on how they think it went. \n\n[00:37:10] We hear some closing thoughts from the panelists on where they want to see the CHAOSS Project going in 2022.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:44:06] Georg’s pick is taking seven weeks off and spending time with family.\n[00:44:39] Dawn’s pick is Elekto.\n[00:45:31] Sean’s pick is spending time with his Mother who will be visiting.\n[00:46:34] Elizabeth’s pick is a Reese’s pie size cup that Hershey’s released. \n[00:47:36] Nicole’s pick is the ClicBot programmable robot.\n[00:48:16] Xiaoya’s pick is the CHAOSScast China Podcast.\n[00:48:44] Willem’s pick is an article about “The social contract of open source.”\n[00:49:52] Matt’s pick is his Border Collie dog.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nSean Goggins\nMatt Germonprez\nWillem Jiang\nDawn Foster\nNicole Huesman\nElizabeth Barron\nXiaoya Xia\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 34: Anniversary Episode with Georg, Dawn, Matt, Sophia, Elizabeth\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 37: The Orbit Model with Patrick Wood\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 43: Growing the CHAOSS Community Globally-with Xiaoya, Willem, King, and Clement\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 39: Leaderboards and Metrics at Drupal.org with Matthew Tift and Tim Lehnen\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 45: Fireside Chat: Metrics Strategy with Daniel, Sean, and Venia\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 38: Co.Lab and Increasing Diversity in STEM with Ruth Suehle\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 44: GSOC: M.A.R.S. Project- Metrics Automated Release System with Yash and Ritik\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 47: Writing the GrimoireLab Tutorial through the Summer of Open Source Promotion Plan with Veerasamy Sevagen\nCHAOSScast Project-Episode 27: GSOD with Xiaoya & Jaskirat\nDEI Badging for Events-GitHub\nElekto\nREESE’S Pie\nClicBot\nThe social contract of open source-Tall, Snarky Canadian\nBorder Collie\nCHAOSScast China Podcast\nSpecial Guests: Willem Jiang and Xiaoya Xia.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. We are super excited for today’s episode because we are doing a “Year 2021 in Review” with our panel of representatives from the CHAOSS community from all around the world. Joining us today are Georg, Sean, Matt, Willem, Dawn, Nicole, Elizabeth, and Xiaoya. Our panelists tell us their favorite episodes from this year, we hear about new advances in software for CHAOSS Project, things that happened around metrics in CHAOSS, and DEI Badging for Events that was built out this year. Also, we learn more about conversations that happened from this year with metrics models, dependencies, and ethics guidelines. And finally, the panelists share with us where they want to see the CHAOSS Project going in 2022. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:04:35] Find out which episodes are the panelists favorites.
\n\n[00:08:15] The CHAOSScast Podcast is headed to China and we hear more about it.
\n\n[00:11:31] Sean fills us in on interesting new advances in software for CHAOSS Project, and Georg tells us more about some things that happened in the Grimoire Lab Project.
\n\n[00:13:30] We move on to metrics and we hear what’s happened in the CHAOSS community around metrics this year.
\n\n[00:17:36] Nicole and Matt explain more about the Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion Badging for Events that was built out over this last year.
\n\n[00:20:55] On the topic of DEI, CHAOSS community did some reflection over the past year and Matt tells us how it went.
\n\n[00:24:31] Georg highlights three conversations from this year which are metrics models, dependencies, and ethics guidelines. The panelists dive into metrics models and talk more about what they are and what CHAOSS is doing with them.
\n\n[00:28:59] Sean explains what they learned about the different types of dependencies that we have and the different ways that we can look at them through metrics.
\n\n[00:30:45] The third topic of ethics of data and metrics is discussed. Georg explains the data policy that was written this year that you find on their website and Matt and Elizabeth share some other things that have been going on with guidance to ethics in how people use metrics.
\n\n[00:34:45] Georg brings up the Pandemic and COVID, how they finally had their first in-person event this year, and the panelists chime in on how they think it went.
\n\n[00:37:10] We hear some closing thoughts from the panelists on where they want to see the CHAOSS Project going in 2022.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Willem Jiang and Xiaoya Xia.
","summary":"We are super excited for today’s episode because we are doing a “Year 2021 in Review” with our panel of representatives from the CHAOSS community from all around the world. Joining us today are Georg, Sean, Matt, Willem, Dawn, Nicole, Elizabeth, and Xiaoya. Our panelists tell us their favorite episodes from this year, we hear about new advances in software for CHAOSS Project, things that happened around metrics in CHAOSS, and DEI Badging for Events that was built out this year. Also, we learn more about conversations that happened from this year with metrics models, dependencies, and ethics guidelines. And finally, the panelists share with us where they want to see the CHAOSS Project going in 2022.","date_published":"2021-12-03T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/8a30b221-b808-455f-a6dd-a21e30fc124c.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":74267278,"duration_in_seconds":3094}]},{"id":"231c2045-4937-4e5e-8fbe-513816aa5f8d","title":"Episode 48: Creating Appreciative Communities and Implicit Mentoring with Anita Sarma and Iftekhar Ahmed","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/48","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are very excited to have two guests joining us, Anita Sarma and Iftekhar Ahmed. Anita is a Professor of Computer Science at Oregon State University and Iftekhar is an Assistant Professor at University of California, Irvine. They are here to talk about creating appreciative communities and implicit mentoring. We learn more about what socio-technical means, metrics to look at or use to understand if we’re on the right track, and some important things they learned from their research. Also, Anita and Iftekhar share their thoughts on how they see implicit mentoring and creating appreciative communities fitting together. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:01:55] Anita and Iftekhar give us a brief introduction of who they are and their backgrounds.\n\n[00:04:10] Georg speaks about the importance of creating quality software and how there’s more to it than testing the software and having reviews, and we learn more about what socio-technical means.\n\n[00:10:27] We find out some important things from Anita what they’ve learned from their research. \n\n[00:15:15] With open source growing so much over the past five to seven years, Sean asks Iftekhar how that has influenced this socio-technical system of testing and quality assurance in open source software. \n\n[00:18:49] Iftekhar and Anita explain the phenomenon behind projects that achieve a certain level of success which leads to additional demands on it. \n\n[00:22:25] We learn more about what implicit mentoring means.\n\n[00:28:39] Anita tells more about the research they did with pull request comments and what they found out in their initial work with interviews.\n\n[00:31:14] Anita shares what she’s learned about implicit mentoring and she gives advice on metrics we could use to look at or use to understand if we’re on the right track. \n\n[00:34:44] Sean asks Anita if explicit mentoring is trying to help people be successful, and if it’s a perspective of helpfulness compared to a perspective of critique. \n\n[00:37:26] Anita and Iftekhar share their thoughts on how they see implicit mentoring and creating appreciative communities fitting together. \n\n[00:42:34] Find out where you can follow Anita and Iftekhar’s work online. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:44:03] Georg’s pick is he’s going out of town with his family for a wedding and getting to explore Washington D.C.\n[00:44:46] Anita’s pick is she is super excited to go on a sabbatical. \n[00:45:34] Iftekhar’s pick is his three-month old son and the sounds he makes which is the highlight of his day. \n[00:46:01] Sean’s pick is celebrating Thanksgiving and watching the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade and football. \n\n\nQuote:\n\n[00:12:13] “You have to be participating if you need to get reviews back, and I don’t remember the exact statistic, but I think the largest proportion of people stop contributing because they did not get the feedback. The feedback was very delayed and by the time they got the feedback that issue or task was already done by someone else.”\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nSean Goggins\n\n\nGuests:\n\n\nAnita Sarma\nIftekhar Ahmed\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nAnita Sarma-Oregon State University\nAnita Sarma Twitter\nAnita Sarma email\nIftekhar Ahmed-University of California, Irvine\nIftekhar Ahmed Linkedin\nIftekhar Ahmed Twitter\nIftekhar Ahmed email\nSpecial Guests: Anita Sarma and Iftekhar Ahmed.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are very excited to have two guests joining us, Anita Sarma and Iftekhar Ahmed. Anita is a Professor of Computer Science at Oregon State University and Iftekhar is an Assistant Professor at University of California, Irvine. They are here to talk about creating appreciative communities and implicit mentoring. We learn more about what socio-technical means, metrics to look at or use to understand if we’re on the right track, and some important things they learned from their research. Also, Anita and Iftekhar share their thoughts on how they see implicit mentoring and creating appreciative communities fitting together. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:01:55] Anita and Iftekhar give us a brief introduction of who they are and their backgrounds.
\n\n[00:04:10] Georg speaks about the importance of creating quality software and how there’s more to it than testing the software and having reviews, and we learn more about what socio-technical means.
\n\n[00:10:27] We find out some important things from Anita what they’ve learned from their research.
\n\n[00:15:15] With open source growing so much over the past five to seven years, Sean asks Iftekhar how that has influenced this socio-technical system of testing and quality assurance in open source software.
\n\n[00:18:49] Iftekhar and Anita explain the phenomenon behind projects that achieve a certain level of success which leads to additional demands on it.
\n\n[00:22:25] We learn more about what implicit mentoring means.
\n\n[00:28:39] Anita tells more about the research they did with pull request comments and what they found out in their initial work with interviews.
\n\n[00:31:14] Anita shares what she’s learned about implicit mentoring and she gives advice on metrics we could use to look at or use to understand if we’re on the right track.
\n\n[00:34:44] Sean asks Anita if explicit mentoring is trying to help people be successful, and if it’s a perspective of helpfulness compared to a perspective of critique.
\n\n[00:37:26] Anita and Iftekhar share their thoughts on how they see implicit mentoring and creating appreciative communities fitting together.
\n\n[00:42:34] Find out where you can follow Anita and Iftekhar’s work online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nQuote:
\n\n[00:12:13] “You have to be participating if you need to get reviews back, and I don’t remember the exact statistic, but I think the largest proportion of people stop contributing because they did not get the feedback. The feedback was very delayed and by the time they got the feedback that issue or task was already done by someone else.”
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuests:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Anita Sarma and Iftekhar Ahmed.
","summary":"Today, we are very excited to have two guests joining us, Anita Sarma and Iftekhar Ahmed. Anita is a Professor of Computer Science at Oregon State University and Iftekhar is an Assistant Professor at University of California, Irvine. They are here to talk about creating appreciative communities and implicit mentoring. We learn more about what socio-technical means, metrics to look at or use to understand if we’re on the right track, and some important things they learned from their research. Also, Anita and Iftekhar share their thoughts on how they see implicit mentoring and creating appreciative communities fitting together.","date_published":"2021-11-19T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/231c2045-4937-4e5e-8fbe-513816aa5f8d.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":70289059,"duration_in_seconds":2928}]},{"id":"d6be2713-2b7c-48f9-9aea-d28a5f4bf2cc","title":"Episode 47: Writing the GrimoireLab Tutorial through the Summer of Open Source Promotion Plan with Veerasamy Sevagen","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/47","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we have as our guest Sevagen, who worked with us on the Summer of Open Source Promotion Plan. We find out more about this program and more specifically Sevagen’s project, which was to revamp the GrimoireLab Tutorial, as well as an explanation of two major difficulties they faced for the project. We also learn how the mentors helped, the current status of the tutorial, Sevagen’s future plans, and what he’s learned from this program. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!\n\n[00:02:15] Sevagen tells us a little bit about himself. \n\n[00:03:06] Xiaoya fills us in on what the Summer of Open Source Promotion Plan is and Venu tells us about the goal of the project. \n\n[00:06:01] We hear how Sevagen heard about the Summer of Open Source Promotion Plan and how he became involved and decided to work with CHAOSS?\n\n[00:07:30] Sevagen explains what his initial understanding of the project was, the tutorial, and two major difficulties they faced.\n\n[00:12:47] Xiaoya shares her experience in the process of reviewing the tutorial. \n\n[00:14:29] We learn more about how mentors helped Sevagen. \n\n[00:16:47] Georg asks what the current status is of the tutorial and if there are any next steps that are still to follow. \n\n[00:19:13] Sevagen shares his future plans and what he wants to do, as well as what he’s learned being in this program. \n\n[00:22:18] Find out where you follow Sevagen online. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:23:04] Georg’s pick is the book series, Famous Five by Enid Blyton.\n[00:24:01] Xiaoya’s pick is the Disney animation, Tangled.\n[00:24:27] Venu’s pick is OpenSearch.\n[00:24:46] Sevagen’s pick is the amFOSS Club.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nVenu Tekula\nXiaoya Xia\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nVeerasamy Sevagen\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nSummer 2021 of Open Source Promotion Plan\nVeerasamy Sevagen Twitter\nVeerasamy Sevagen Linkedin\nsevagenv@gmail.com\nCHAOSS GrimoireLab Tutorial-GitHub\nFamous Five Collection by Enid Blyton\nTangled\nOpenSearch\namFOSS\nSpecial Guests: Veerasamy Sevagen, Venu Tekula, and Xiaoya Xia.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we have as our guest Sevagen, who worked with us on the Summer of Open Source Promotion Plan. We find out more about this program and more specifically Sevagen’s project, which was to revamp the GrimoireLab Tutorial, as well as an explanation of two major difficulties they faced for the project. We also learn how the mentors helped, the current status of the tutorial, Sevagen’s future plans, and what he’s learned from this program. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues!
\n\n[00:02:15] Sevagen tells us a little bit about himself.
\n\n[00:03:06] Xiaoya fills us in on what the Summer of Open Source Promotion Plan is and Venu tells us about the goal of the project.
\n\n[00:06:01] We hear how Sevagen heard about the Summer of Open Source Promotion Plan and how he became involved and decided to work with CHAOSS?
\n\n[00:07:30] Sevagen explains what his initial understanding of the project was, the tutorial, and two major difficulties they faced.
\n\n[00:12:47] Xiaoya shares her experience in the process of reviewing the tutorial.
\n\n[00:14:29] We learn more about how mentors helped Sevagen.
\n\n[00:16:47] Georg asks what the current status is of the tutorial and if there are any next steps that are still to follow.
\n\n[00:19:13] Sevagen shares his future plans and what he wants to do, as well as what he’s learned being in this program.
\n\n[00:22:18] Find out where you follow Sevagen online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Veerasamy Sevagen, Venu Tekula, and Xiaoya Xia.
","summary":"Today, we have as our guest Sevagen, who worked with us on the Summer of Open Source Promotion Plan. We find out more about this program and more specifically Sevagen’s project, which was to revamp the GrimoireLab Tutorial, as well as an explanation of two major difficulties they faced for the project. We also learn how the mentors helped, the current status of the tutorial, Sevagen’s future plans, and what he’s learned from this program.","date_published":"2021-11-05T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/d6be2713-2b7c-48f9-9aea-d28a5f4bf2cc.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":53224040,"duration_in_seconds":1663}]},{"id":"bf41fde6-4524-4017-b2d2-7ac6e15c6adf","title":"Episode 46: Social Science Theories with Erin Staples","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/46","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, our guest is Erin Staples, who works as a Community Advocate at Orbit. She is with us to talk about social science theories and what we can learn from other communities. Erin tells us the importance of making sure your contributors feel valued, creating a very inclusive, mindful environment online, and she explains how we can learn a lot from how Fandom communities measure health. She goes in depth about behaviors at gatherings such as conferences and she shares advice in creating online spaces. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. \n\n[00:02:00] Erin fills us in a little on her background and about what they do at Orbit with building a healthy community in the online space.\n\n[00:03:38] How did Erin get so interested in this topic?\n\n[00:05:33] For the social science conversation and Fandom, Erin talks about how she started to explore this huge topic. She tells us about a journal article she loves from Rachel Winter, Anastasia Salter, and Mel Stanfill who wrote about the “Communities of making: Exploring parallels between Fandom and open source.”\n\n[00:09:02] Erin explains more about the behaviors and how they happen at gatherings and in the Fandom world.\n\n[00:13:30] Georg brings up how open source is changing and has changed over the years with more organizations getting involved in creation of software and paying employees to be in these communities and Erin shares her thoughts about how this may be changing the dynamic. The Founder of Linux, Linus Torvalds, comes up in conversation as well.\n\n[00:19:47] Venia tells us about a website called Budget Light Forum and Erin talks about “the medium is the message,” which is a quote from Marshall McLuhan and how this relates to the way we think about online spaces and how we transmit information.\n\n[00:24:44] Georg brings up a great point if you want to understand the community you actually have to talk to the community members and ask them how that makes them feel, if they feel welcome and included, etc., and Erin and Venia share their thoughts on this.\n\n[00:28:11] As more people are working online, maintainer burnout in open source is discussed, which existed before COVID, with pressure to maintain the quality of code and for being responsive and they’re not feeling appreciated. \n\n[00:30:41] Erin talks about some action steps to creating online spaces and shares an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.\n\n[00:32:04] Find out where you can follow Erin online.\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:32:46] Georg’s pick is re-reading the Eragon series in English.\n[00:33:38] Venia’s pick is a book called Systematic Methods for Analyzing Culture: A Practical Guide.\n[00:34:22] Erin’s pick is a book called A City is Not a Computer: Other Urban Intelligences.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nVenia Logan\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nErin Staples\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nErin Staples Twitter\nErin Staples Website\nErin Staples Linkedin\nOrbit\nFandom\nCommunities of making: Exploring parallels between fandom and open source by Rachel Winter, Anastasia Salter, and Mel Stanfill\nFans, at their core, are producers. What does this tell us about the ethics of fan labor?- Fandom Communties 002\nBudget Light Forum\nBecome a Tea Duellist By Austin Sirkin (Steampunk R&D)\nHerbert Marshall McLuhan (Wikipedia)\nMargaret Mead (Wikipedia)\nDunning-Kruger effect (Psychology Today)\nTed 2016: Linux founder not a ‘people person’ By Jane Wakefield (BBC News)\nLinus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off (Hacker News) \nThe Inheritance Cycle Series 4 Book Collection Eragon, Eldestk, Brisngr Box set by Christoper Paolini\nSystematic Methods for Analyzing Culture: A Practical Guide by H.J. François \nDengah II, Jeffrey Snodgrass, Evan R. Polzer, William Cody Nixon\nA City is Not a Computer: Other Urban Intelligences by Shannon Mattern\nThe Sims: A Retrospective, A Participatory Culture 14 Years On by Ludovica Price (Intensive: Cult Media Review)\nSpecial Guest: Erin Staples.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, our guest is Erin Staples, who works as a Community Advocate at Orbit. She is with us to talk about social science theories and what we can learn from other communities. Erin tells us the importance of making sure your contributors feel valued, creating a very inclusive, mindful environment online, and she explains how we can learn a lot from how Fandom communities measure health. She goes in depth about behaviors at gatherings such as conferences and she shares advice in creating online spaces. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.
\n\n[00:02:00] Erin fills us in a little on her background and about what they do at Orbit with building a healthy community in the online space.
\n\n[00:03:38] How did Erin get so interested in this topic?
\n\n[00:05:33] For the social science conversation and Fandom, Erin talks about how she started to explore this huge topic. She tells us about a journal article she loves from Rachel Winter, Anastasia Salter, and Mel Stanfill who wrote about the “Communities of making: Exploring parallels between Fandom and open source.”
\n\n[00:09:02] Erin explains more about the behaviors and how they happen at gatherings and in the Fandom world.
\n\n[00:13:30] Georg brings up how open source is changing and has changed over the years with more organizations getting involved in creation of software and paying employees to be in these communities and Erin shares her thoughts about how this may be changing the dynamic. The Founder of Linux, Linus Torvalds, comes up in conversation as well.
\n\n[00:19:47] Venia tells us about a website called Budget Light Forum and Erin talks about “the medium is the message,” which is a quote from Marshall McLuhan and how this relates to the way we think about online spaces and how we transmit information.
\n\n[00:24:44] Georg brings up a great point if you want to understand the community you actually have to talk to the community members and ask them how that makes them feel, if they feel welcome and included, etc., and Erin and Venia share their thoughts on this.
\n\n[00:28:11] As more people are working online, maintainer burnout in open source is discussed, which existed before COVID, with pressure to maintain the quality of code and for being responsive and they’re not feeling appreciated.
\n\n[00:30:41] Erin talks about some action steps to creating online spaces and shares an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
\n\n[00:32:04] Find out where you can follow Erin online.
\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guest: Erin Staples.
","summary":"Today, our guest is Erin Staples, who works as a Community Advocate at Orbit. She is with us to talk about social science theories and what we can learn from other communities. Erin tells us the importance of making sure your contributors feel valued, creating a very inclusive, mindful environment online, and she explains how we can learn a lot from how Fandom communities measure health. She goes in depth about behaviors at gatherings such as conferences and she shares advice in creating online spaces.","date_published":"2021-10-22T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/bf41fde6-4524-4017-b2d2-7ac6e15c6adf.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":69716955,"duration_in_seconds":2178}]},{"id":"23728d00-edfc-47a3-8aaf-b56b243c87bf","title":"Episode 45: Fireside Chat: Metrics Strategy with Daniel, Sean, and Venia","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/45","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. On today’s episode, we are discussing the pitfalls of metrics since there are a lot of things that can go wrong when implementing your metrics from getting over the feeling of being lost in the data. Also, we’ll be talking about a variety of different communities from very small all the way to larger ones. Daniel and Sean share some frameworks they have found work really well for building and deciding metrics, and how metrics are assessed to make sure whether or not they are still relevant. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. \n\n[00:02:43] The conversation starts by talking about what goes wrong when people start to build a lot of metrics, and what are some pitfalls or issues that we can maybe solve later. \n\n[00:08:19] Daniel and Sean talk about the concept of commit and give a use case example.\n\n[00:11:42] Venia brings up a common issue they tend to have following with gamification is not just the concerted effort to gamify the analytics and the stacks the second they become public and Daniel and Sean expand on that. \n\n[00:17:55] Daniel and Sean share some frameworks that they have found work really well for building and deciding metrics, for building policies that ensure that those occur, and a good framework for benchmarking over time so that you can measure and change your metric strategy as you communities grow. \n\n[00:23:00] The topic of goals is expanded on by Venia, and she talks about recognizing that sometimes simple is better and she mentions what goals you want to consider. \n\n[00:28:25] We’re talking about the “M” in the GQM (goal, question, metric) process and Sean and Daniel give us their recommendations on how you go about based on one specific question, picking out a suite of metrics that might explain that, and if is there one specific key performance indicator and a few descriptors or if you just select three main metrics. \n\n[00:33:21] Venia wonders how we navigate and start that conversation to wrap in the organizational aspects in the course of your metrics building journey. \n\n[00:39:09] We learn how are metrics are checked to make sure that the metrics makes sense and the ways they are they assessed whether or not they are still relevant. \n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:45:29] Daniel’s pick is a book called, The Culture Map, Decoding How People Think, Lead, and Get Things Done Across Cultures by Erin Meyer.\n[00:46:49] Sean’s pick is a book called, Big Data Baseball: Math, Miracles, and the End of a 20-Year Losing Streak by Travis Sawchik.\n[00:48:54] Venia’s pick is building a small, intimate community of learning and creating her own information diet book club.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nVenia Logan\nSean Goggins\nDaniel Izquierdo\n\n\nSponsor:\n\n\nSustainOSS\n\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nBitergia\nThe Culture Map- Decoding How People Think, Lead, and Get Things Done Across Cultures by Erin Meyer\nBig Data Baseball: Math, Miracles, and the End of a 20-Year Losing Streak by Travis Sawchik\n","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. On today’s episode, we are discussing the pitfalls of metrics since there are a lot of things that can go wrong when implementing your metrics from getting over the feeling of being lost in the data. Also, we’ll be talking about a variety of different communities from very small all the way to larger ones. Daniel and Sean share some frameworks they have found work really well for building and deciding metrics, and how metrics are assessed to make sure whether or not they are still relevant. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast on your favorite podcast app and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.
\n\n[00:02:43] The conversation starts by talking about what goes wrong when people start to build a lot of metrics, and what are some pitfalls or issues that we can maybe solve later.
\n\n[00:08:19] Daniel and Sean talk about the concept of commit and give a use case example.
\n\n[00:11:42] Venia brings up a common issue they tend to have following with gamification is not just the concerted effort to gamify the analytics and the stacks the second they become public and Daniel and Sean expand on that.
\n\n[00:17:55] Daniel and Sean share some frameworks that they have found work really well for building and deciding metrics, for building policies that ensure that those occur, and a good framework for benchmarking over time so that you can measure and change your metric strategy as you communities grow.
\n\n[00:23:00] The topic of goals is expanded on by Venia, and she talks about recognizing that sometimes simple is better and she mentions what goals you want to consider.
\n\n[00:28:25] We’re talking about the “M” in the GQM (goal, question, metric) process and Sean and Daniel give us their recommendations on how you go about based on one specific question, picking out a suite of metrics that might explain that, and if is there one specific key performance indicator and a few descriptors or if you just select three main metrics.
\n\n[00:33:21] Venia wonders how we navigate and start that conversation to wrap in the organizational aspects in the course of your metrics building journey.
\n\n[00:39:09] We learn how are metrics are checked to make sure that the metrics makes sense and the ways they are they assessed whether or not they are still relevant.
\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nHello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen.
\n\nToday, we have with us Yash and Ritik, who are two students that worked with us this summer with the Google Summer of Code 2021, on automating the CHAOSS Metric Release. We are going to discuss the CHAOSS M.A.R.S. Project and learn all about what it is and what problem it solves. They also go in depth about the process of releasing the metrics, as well as how they went about doing the Translations of CHAOSS metrics. Yash and Ritik also share what their favorite part of the experience was participating in Google Summer of Code in the CHAOSS Project. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.
\n\n[00:02:13] Yash and Ritik tell us a little bit about themselves and what they’re doing outside and within CHAOSS. We also learn how they heard about the CHAOSS project and how they got interested in the Google Summer of Code program.
\n\n[00:05:10] Find out more about the M.A.R.S. (Metrics Automated Release System) Project and what the connection was with the Google Summer of Code.
\n\n[00:08:43] Ritik goes into detail how they solve the problem with M.A.R.S., how it works, and the components involved, which now, it’s as simple as a click of a button! Ritik and Yash also tells us how they had to consider the work of the community and how the working groups within those repositories worked and the structures they had to follow, as well as the connection and technical components with the M.A.R.S. Project.
\n\n[00:15:16] Georg talks about the goals of Google Summer of Code, one of which is to bring in people to open source communities and show them the way this works. He talks about the strengths that Ritik and Yash had and why they were selected as students.
\n\n[00:16:30] Ritik and Yash let us know if anything has changed for them in terms of how they think about open source engagement.
\n\n[00:19:04] What are Ritik and Yash’s future plans?
\n\n[00:20:52] Kevin brings up a point about through the M.A.R.S. Project and how the work helped define the process with translating the metrics into different languages. Matt and Yash share some thoughts on this as well.
\n\n[00:22:27] Georg tells us about the community handbook you can look at if you’re interested in the process, and the CHAOSS Metric Quality Checklist as well. Yash tells us how this checklist came about, the hurdles along the way, and what he’s learned.
\n\n[00:26:10] Ritik and Yash tell us their favorite part about the Google Summer of Code experience in the CHAOSS Project.
\n\n[00:29:18] Find out where you can follow Yash and Ritik online.
\n\nValue Adds of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuests:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Kevin Lumbard, Ritik Malik, and Yash Prakash.
","summary":"Today, we have with us Yash and Ritik, who are two students that worked with us this summer with the Google Summer of Code 2021, on automating the CHAOSS Metric Release. We are going to discuss the CHAOSS M.A.R.S. Project and learn all about what it is and what problem it solves. They also go in depth about the process of releasing the metrics, as well as how they went about doing the Translations of CHAOSS metrics. Yash and Ritik also share what their favorite part of the experience was participating in Google Summer of Code in the CHAOSS Project. ","date_published":"2021-09-24T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/776fb02b-f43d-49ad-b9eb-45ac5eef9647.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":68061157,"duration_in_seconds":2126}]},{"id":"ef2ad59d-c768-45c8-a114-174df33d9f9e","title":"Episode 43: Growing the CHAOSS Community Globally - CHAOSS 社区的全球化故事 - with Xiaoya, Willem, King, and Clement","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/43","content_text":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. \n\nToday, we are super excited to have four guests who are here to highlight work that is happening in the CHAOSS Project in the Asia Pacific Region. We have Xiaoya Xia, Willem Jiang, King Gao, and Clement Li joining us. Today, we learn each of them do with the CHAOSS Project in the Asia Pacific Region. Also, we find out how it got started and what’s bringing people in. They go in depth explaining the value that CHAOSS metrics provides and share stories about different metrics they found valuable in how they understand project health and how they’re using metrics. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. \n\n[00:01:23] Xiaoya, Willem, King, and Clement introduce themselves, and what they do with the CHAOSS Project. \n\n[00:06:43] Georg wonders how this Asian Pacific Community got started around the CHAOSS Project, what were the drivers, and what’s bringing people in. \n\n[00:13:55] The guests talk more about the value that CHAOSS metrics provides and what CHAOSS needs to do to make it even more valuable to them or in their use case.\n\n[00:16:28] Georg wonders at what stage does which metric come in and what does it actually tell us about how the software development is going.\n\n[00:20:12] A few stories are shared by the guests about metrics they found valuable in how they understand project health and how they’re using metrics. \n\n[00:23:43] Xiaoya talks about a research topic that was in her lab about Open-source governance and why her mentor encouraged her to learn more about metrics in CHAOSS, and she mentions the GitHub Insight Report she posted on the blog posts. She also talks about the first working group she participated with most and where she learned what a community is.\n\n[00:25:35] King shares his experience with metrics and the CHAOSS Community. \n\n[00:27:37] Find out where you follow and connect with each of our guests on the internet. \n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:30:20] Georg’s pick is a new bed. \n[00:30:36] Xiaoya’s picks are good luck with her paper, to slow down, and her proposal for CHAOSScon got accepted.\n[00:31:36] Willem’s picks are ApacheCon Asia 2021 and a book called From the Soil.\n[00:32:46] King’s pick is everyone helping him to improve his English to communicate better.\n[00:33:32] Clement’s pick is the release of the community AI robot in September.\n\n\nPanelist:\n\n\nGeorg Link\n\n\nGuests:\n\n\nXiaoya Xia\nKing Gao\nClement Li\nWillem Jiang\n\n\nSponsor:\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks:\n\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nHuawei Joins The Governing Board Of The OpenChain Project\nCHAOSScast podcast-Episode 27-GSOD with Xiaoya & Jaskirat\nCHAOSS Shanghai Meetup-2020\nAdd new metrics for Mapping between PR/MRs and issues #382 wg evolution\nAdd new Metrics about branch lifecycle #368 wg evolution\nCHAOSS Community Blog Post-Check Out The GitHub 2020 Digital Insight Report! By Xiaoya\nCHAOSSCon 2021\nApacheCon Asia 2021\nFrom the Soil by Xiaotong Fei \nXiaoya Xia Twitter\nKing Gao GitHub\nKing Gao Linkedin\nClement Li Facebook\nClement Li Twitter\nClement Li Linkedin\nWillem Jiang’s Blog\nWillem Jiang Twitter\nWillem Jiang Linkedin\nWeChat-xiaoyaesther (Xiaoya)\nWeChat-xiaokun774780 (King Gao)\nWeChat-ALC Beijing\nSpecial Guests: Clement Li, King Gao, Willem Jiang, and Xiaoya Xia.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen.
\n\nToday, we are super excited to have four guests who are here to highlight work that is happening in the CHAOSS Project in the Asia Pacific Region. We have Xiaoya Xia, Willem Jiang, King Gao, and Clement Li joining us. Today, we learn each of them do with the CHAOSS Project in the Asia Pacific Region. Also, we find out how it got started and what’s bringing people in. They go in depth explaining the value that CHAOSS metrics provides and share stories about different metrics they found valuable in how they understand project health and how they’re using metrics. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.
\n\n[00:01:23] Xiaoya, Willem, King, and Clement introduce themselves, and what they do with the CHAOSS Project.
\n\n[00:06:43] Georg wonders how this Asian Pacific Community got started around the CHAOSS Project, what were the drivers, and what’s bringing people in.
\n\n[00:13:55] The guests talk more about the value that CHAOSS metrics provides and what CHAOSS needs to do to make it even more valuable to them or in their use case.
\n\n[00:16:28] Georg wonders at what stage does which metric come in and what does it actually tell us about how the software development is going.
\n\n[00:20:12] A few stories are shared by the guests about metrics they found valuable in how they understand project health and how they’re using metrics.
\n\n[00:23:43] Xiaoya talks about a research topic that was in her lab about Open-source governance and why her mentor encouraged her to learn more about metrics in CHAOSS, and she mentions the GitHub Insight Report she posted on the blog posts. She also talks about the first working group she participated with most and where she learned what a community is.
\n\n[00:25:35] King shares his experience with metrics and the CHAOSS Community.
\n\n[00:27:37] Find out where you follow and connect with each of our guests on the internet.
\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelist:
\n\nGuests:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\n\n\nLinks:
\n\nSpecial Guests: Clement Li, King Gao, Willem Jiang, and Xiaoya Xia.
","summary":"Today, we are super excited to have four guests who are here to highlight work that is happening in the CHAOSS Project in the Asia Pacific Region. We have Xiaoya Xia, Willem Jiang, King Gao, and Clement Li joining us. Today, we learn each of them do with the CHAOSS Project in the Asia Pacific Region. Also, we find out how it got started and what’s bringing people in. They go in depth explaining the value that CHAOSS metrics provides and share stories about different metrics they found valuable in how they understand project health and how they’re using metrics.","date_published":"2021-09-10T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/ef2ad59d-c768-45c8-a114-174df33d9f9e.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":67034118,"duration_in_seconds":2094}]},{"id":"1d50e3f3-a820-458b-a23d-90bba8b2cc9b","title":"Episode 42: Hidden Infrastructure: The Foundations of Open Source with Josh Simmons","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/42","content_text":"CHAOSScast – Episode 42\n\nHello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. \n\nWe are super excited to have as our guest, Josh Simmons, who is President of the Open Source Initiative and Ecosystem Strategy Lead at Tidelift. Today, we will be talking with Josh all about Open Source Foundations and the topic of “Hidden Infrastructure” which is very relevant to community health. We learn from Josh the major challenges he sees to open source foundations sustainability and foundational sustainability in corporations. Also, there is a big discussion with everyone as each of them share their opinions about the health of projects and foundations and how they would asses that. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. \n\n[00:02:42] Josh explains the topic of “Hidden Infrastructure-The Foundations of Open Source.” \n\n[00:05:24] Brian asks Josh what he sees as some of the major challenges that he sees to open source foundations sustainability. \n\n[00:08:43] Daniel wonders where Josh sees the balance between growing and growing as a foundation or being more of a smaller foundation but really focused on providing those services to the projects.\n\n[00:14:10] Josh goes more in depth about foundational sustainability in corporations.\n\n[00:24:54] There is discussion with everyone about the health of projects and foundations and how you would assess that. \n\n[00:35:35] Daniel brings up development tools, some might not be open source that are being used, and there might be changes in the service quality, and he asks Josh if this is an issue we should be aware of or take care of. \n\n[00:38:42] Daniel tells us about how they analyzed software development projects at GrimoireLab, which is part of CHAOSS Project, and what happened. \n\n[00:39:55] Find out where you can get in touch with Josh and follow him online.\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:40:29] Georg’s picks are the answer to the “Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything,” and his birthday coming up August 27th.\n[00:41:34] Brian’s pick is being excited about the OSPO.Zone from the new Open Alliance in the EU.\n[00:42:22] Daniel’s pick is taking a course on Business Anthropology.\n[00:43:02] Josh’s pick is a project called OCEAN + ACROSS.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\n\nGeorg Link\nBrian Proffitt\nDaniel Izquierdo\n\n\nGuest:\n\n\nJosh Simmons\n\n\nSponsor:\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nJoshua Simmons Website\n\nJosh Simmons Twitter\n\nJosh Simmons Linkedin\n\nChecklist for measuring the health of an open source project-Red Hat\n\nGitHub Sponsors\n\nOpen Collective\n\nSoftware Freedom Conservancy\n\nThe Apache Software Foundation\n\nThe Linux Foundation\n\nMozilla \n\nGreg Kroah-Hartman bans University of Minnesota from Linux development for deliberately buggy patches (ZD Net article)\n\nMozilla-Firefox Browser\n\nDjango changes its governance (LWN.net article)\n\nCHAOSS Types of Contributions\n\nThe Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (Movie)\n\nThe Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams\n\nOSPO.Zone\n\nAmanda Casari Twitter (for Project OCEAN + ACROSS) Special Guest: Josh Simmons.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen.
\n\nWe are super excited to have as our guest, Josh Simmons, who is President of the Open Source Initiative and Ecosystem Strategy Lead at Tidelift. Today, we will be talking with Josh all about Open Source Foundations and the topic of “Hidden Infrastructure” which is very relevant to community health. We learn from Josh the major challenges he sees to open source foundations sustainability and foundational sustainability in corporations. Also, there is a big discussion with everyone as each of them share their opinions about the health of projects and foundations and how they would asses that. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.
\n\n[00:02:42] Josh explains the topic of “Hidden Infrastructure-The Foundations of Open Source.”
\n\n[00:05:24] Brian asks Josh what he sees as some of the major challenges that he sees to open source foundations sustainability.
\n\n[00:08:43] Daniel wonders where Josh sees the balance between growing and growing as a foundation or being more of a smaller foundation but really focused on providing those services to the projects.
\n\n[00:14:10] Josh goes more in depth about foundational sustainability in corporations.
\n\n[00:24:54] There is discussion with everyone about the health of projects and foundations and how you would assess that.
\n\n[00:35:35] Daniel brings up development tools, some might not be open source that are being used, and there might be changes in the service quality, and he asks Josh if this is an issue we should be aware of or take care of.
\n\n[00:38:42] Daniel tells us about how they analyzed software development projects at GrimoireLab, which is part of CHAOSS Project, and what happened.
\n\n[00:39:55] Find out where you can get in touch with Josh and follow him online.
\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGuest:
\n\nSponsor:
\n\n\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nChecklist for measuring the health of an open source project-Red Hat
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe Apache Software Foundation
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDjango changes its governance (LWN.net article)
\n\n\n\nThe Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (Movie)
\n\nThe Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams
\n\n\n\nAmanda Casari Twitter (for Project OCEAN + ACROSS)
Special Guest: Josh Simmons.
","summary":"We are super excited to have as our guest, Josh Simmons, who is President of the Open Source Initiative and Ecosystem Strategy Lead at Tidelift. Today, we will be talking with Josh all about Open Source Foundations and the topic of “Hidden Infrastructure” which is very relevant to community health.","date_published":"2021-08-27T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/1d50e3f3-a820-458b-a23d-90bba8b2cc9b.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":65544587,"duration_in_seconds":2730}]},{"id":"457a4d35-4349-4618-85cf-5a4f095e9aad","title":"Episode 41: Forecasting Sustainability with Vladimir Filkov and Likang Yin","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/41","content_text":"CHAOSScast – Episode 41\n\nHello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are super excited to have as our guests, Vladimir Filkov and Likang Yin. Vladimir is a Professor of Computer Science at the University of California, Davis, as well as a Data Scientist and a Software Engineer. Likang is a third year PhD student at UC-Davis working with Professor Vladimir Filkov. They are joining us to talk about their research into forecasting sustainability of open source communities. Also, we learn about the challenges they faced, how they overcame them, how they are expanding their research to engage the community more, and what their goal is. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. \n\n[00:02:01] Vladimir and Likang introduce themselves and tell us what they do. \n\n[00:03:33] Vladimir tells us what his motivation was to look at open source sustainability. \n\n[00:05:45] Sophia asks Vladimir how he thinks about the concept of sustainability since there are a lot of elements associated with that term. Sean asks if it’s binary in the sense that you get out of the incubator alive or you don’t. Vladimir talks about how the ASF is working with them.\n\n[00:09:54] Vladimir and Likang talk about what their project covered and the key observations they had. We also find what they mean by Socio-technical and how they are thinking about what a Socio-technical system is.\n\n[00:13:25] At CHAOSS, one thing they are talking about is recognizing all types of contributions, and Likang and Vladimir give their perspective on this and tell us about their mailing list. Also, learn what they found out and what’s predicting sustainability.\n\n[00:16:17] Find out what LSTM means and what kind of modeling it is. \n\n[00:20:20] Sean asks Vladimir to explain better what all this means to him as a Software Developer deciding on what open source project to contribute to or to him as a person trying to incubate a project and how these methods are helping so he can see it more clearly and explain it to his mom. Vladimir tells us the “Four Myths of Sustainability.”\n\n[00:23:02] Sophia wants to know more about the assumptions of the people themselves and asks Vladimir if there’s a step before he starts finding his groups of people and if there’s any understanding of individual characteristics, motivation, or incentive that could also dictate the progression of that project.\n\n[00:24:49] Sophia asks Vladimir how he normalizes for different kinds of governance models or if they’re all the same because they’re part of the incubator program. She also wonders how he’s addressing differences in size and whether or not it makes sense to model certain size groups of projects and how he’s handling that in Europe. \n\n[00:29:25] Sean wonders when Vladimir thinks about groups, does he think about cognition and awareness of a group or does he think about other things.\n\n[00:31:55] We learn about the challenges that Vladimir and Likang faced and how they overcame them. Also, we learn about their research and how they are expanding it to engage the community more, and what their goal is.\n\n[00:40:13] Georg asks for Vladimir’s perspective on what he sees CHAOSS as a project providing now, where does he think CHAOSS should go in the future as a project, and what can they do to support their work.\n\n[00:44:10] Find out where you can follow Vladimir and Likang online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:\n\n\n[00:45:33] Georg’s pick is going with his family to their first concert since the pandemic to see Lindsey Stirling.\n[00:45:58] Vladimir’s pick is outdoor movie theaters.\n[00:46:27] Sophia’s pick is discovering that a new smartphone case makes for a great draw organizer. \n[00:47:06] Sean’s pick is going to two concerts in the Fall, Wilco & Sleater-Kinney in August and Alanis Morissette, Garbage, and Liz Phair in September.\n[00:47:41] Likang’s pick is he discovered a better way to balance his sleep cycle.\n\n\nPanelists:\n\nGeorg Link\n\nSophia Vargas\n\nSean Goggins\n\nGuests:\n\nVladimir Filkov\n\nLikang Yin\n\nSponsor:\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\n\nCHAOSScast Podcast\n\npodcast@chaoss.community\n\nThe Apache Software Foundation (ASF)\n\nApacheCon\n\nLong short-term memory\n\nVladimir Filkov Twitter\n\nfilkov@cs.ucdavis.edu \n\nLikang Yin Twitter\n\nLikang Yin Linkedin\n\nSustainability Forecasting for Apache Incubator Projects by Likang Yin, Qi Xuan, Zhuangzhi Chen, and Vladimir Filkov\n\nLatent social structure in open source projects\n\nLindsey Stirling\n\nWilco\n\nSleater-KinneySpecial Guests: Likang Yin and Vladimir Filkov.","content_html":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. Today, we are super excited to have as our guests, Vladimir Filkov and Likang Yin. Vladimir is a Professor of Computer Science at the University of California, Davis, as well as a Data Scientist and a Software Engineer. Likang is a third year PhD student at UC-Davis working with Professor Vladimir Filkov. They are joining us to talk about their research into forecasting sustainability of open source communities. Also, we learn about the challenges they faced, how they overcame them, how they are expanding their research to engage the community more, and what their goal is. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.
\n\n[00:02:01] Vladimir and Likang introduce themselves and tell us what they do.
\n\n[00:03:33] Vladimir tells us what his motivation was to look at open source sustainability.
\n\n[00:05:45] Sophia asks Vladimir how he thinks about the concept of sustainability since there are a lot of elements associated with that term. Sean asks if it’s binary in the sense that you get out of the incubator alive or you don’t. Vladimir talks about how the ASF is working with them.
\n\n[00:09:54] Vladimir and Likang talk about what their project covered and the key observations they had. We also find what they mean by Socio-technical and how they are thinking about what a Socio-technical system is.
\n\n[00:13:25] At CHAOSS, one thing they are talking about is recognizing all types of contributions, and Likang and Vladimir give their perspective on this and tell us about their mailing list. Also, learn what they found out and what’s predicting sustainability.
\n\n[00:16:17] Find out what LSTM means and what kind of modeling it is.
\n\n[00:20:20] Sean asks Vladimir to explain better what all this means to him as a Software Developer deciding on what open source project to contribute to or to him as a person trying to incubate a project and how these methods are helping so he can see it more clearly and explain it to his mom. Vladimir tells us the “Four Myths of Sustainability.”
\n\n[00:23:02] Sophia wants to know more about the assumptions of the people themselves and asks Vladimir if there’s a step before he starts finding his groups of people and if there’s any understanding of individual characteristics, motivation, or incentive that could also dictate the progression of that project.
\n\n[00:24:49] Sophia asks Vladimir how he normalizes for different kinds of governance models or if they’re all the same because they’re part of the incubator program. She also wonders how he’s addressing differences in size and whether or not it makes sense to model certain size groups of projects and how he’s handling that in Europe.
\n\n[00:29:25] Sean wonders when Vladimir thinks about groups, does he think about cognition and awareness of a group or does he think about other things.
\n\n[00:31:55] We learn about the challenges that Vladimir and Likang faced and how they overcame them. Also, we learn about their research and how they are expanding it to engage the community more, and what their goal is.
\n\n[00:40:13] Georg asks for Vladimir’s perspective on what he sees CHAOSS as a project providing now, where does he think CHAOSS should go in the future as a project, and what can they do to support their work.
\n\n[00:44:10] Find out where you can follow Vladimir and Likang online.
\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week:
\n\nPanelists:
\n\nGeorg Link
\n\nSophia Vargas
\n\nSean Goggins
\n\nGuests:
\n\nVladimir Filkov
\n\nLikang Yin
\n\nSponsor:
\n\n\n\nLinks:
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe Apache Software Foundation (ASF)
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nLatent social structure in open source projects
\n\n\n\n\n\nSpecial Guests: Likang Yin and Vladimir Filkov.
","summary":"Today, we are super excited to have as our guests, Vladimir Filkov and Likang Yin. Vladimir is a Professor of Computer Science at the University of California, Davis, as well as a Data Scientist and a Software Engineer. Likang is a third year PhD student at UC-Davis working with Professor Vladimir Filkov. They are joining us to talk about their research into forecasting sustainability of open source communities. Also, we learn about the challenges they faced, how they overcame them, how they are expanding their research to engage the community more, and what their goal is.","date_published":"2021-08-13T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/457a4d35-4349-4618-85cf-5a4f095e9aad.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":71103485,"duration_in_seconds":2962}]},{"id":"f94fa74d-84c7-42df-83f4-05bcfc7714e2","title":"Episode 40: A Call for Qualitative Developer-First Metrics with Terrence Chen","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/40","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Nicole Huesman\n\nGuest\n\nTerrence Chen\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS\n\nShow Notes\n\nToday, we are excited to have as our guest, Terrence Chen, Software Developer for over 15 years, and the sole creator of GitSense, which focuses on providing software development metrics that both leaders and developers can get behind. Terrence tells us all about GitSense and what led to the creation of it. We learn about Developers First Metrics and the three principles it’s based on, and we find out more about The Hierarchy of Data Needs pyramid as Terrence goes through his funding journey. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. \n\n[00:02:08] Terrence shares his background and what led to the creation of GitSense.\n\n[00:03:04] We learn what motivates Terrence to get up in the morning, how he thinks about metrics, and he tells us about Developers First Metrics and explains the three principles.\n\n[00:08:09] Georg asks Terrence to talk more about the How and Why of the three principles, and the importance of context matters. \n\n[00:14:50] Nicole asks Terrence how we measure the quality of contributions, even outside of code, since there are so many different skillsets and contributions coming in so many different forms.\n\n[00:18:31] Georg asks Terrence if he has built other things in GitSense that he is super proud of that we can learn from, and hopefully get to see if other tools are being adopted as well. We learn more about a pyramid that became famous in the data science world called, The Hierarchy of Data Needs.\n\n[00:24:48] Terrence explains more about the pyramid and the ability to clean and pre-process the data. \n\n[00:26:20] Nicole asks Terrence to talk more about how he addresses not using data nefariously and ensuring that it is used for good and not guarding against not using it.\n\n[00:35:27] Georg shares some thoughts on Terrence’s comments he made about creating a connections graph that shows open source contributions.\n\n[00:37:14] Find out where you can connect with Terrence online.\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n[00:37:56] Georg’s pick is the app for learning languages, Duolingo.\n[00:38:45] Nicole’s pick is watching the movie, _A League of Their Own, _with her son. \n[00:39:30] Terrence’s pick is to talk, learn new things, and to share what he’s learned. \n\n\nQuotes\n\n[00:04:16] “Which is why I’m very much focused on what I call a Developer First Metrics. \n\nHonestly, it’s based on three principles and I would love CHAOSS and others to adopt it. Developers First Metrics is pretty much can I answer quickly how and why? So, if you’re going to use metrics make sure you can explain how and why. The second aspect of developer metrics is, make sure it’s useful. Can a developer use developer metrics on a day-to-day basis, because it’s one thing to use it as organization, and it’s another thing to use it to judge developers, and it’s another thing to have a tool that actually, this is what I can use on a day-to-day basis as a developer. That’s the second principle. And the third principle honestly is transparency, like how easily can I verify that these numbers are correct.”\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nGitSense\nterrchen@gitsense.com\nThe Data Science Hierarchy Of Needs\nDuolingo\n_A League of Their Own _\nSustainOSS Working GroupsSpecial Guest: Terrence Chen.","content_html":"Georg Link | Nicole Huesman
\n\nTerrence Chen
\n\nToday, we are excited to have as our guest, Terrence Chen, Software Developer for over 15 years, and the sole creator of GitSense, which focuses on providing software development metrics that both leaders and developers can get behind. Terrence tells us all about GitSense and what led to the creation of it. We learn about Developers First Metrics and the three principles it’s based on, and we find out more about The Hierarchy of Data Needs pyramid as Terrence goes through his funding journey. Download this episode now to find out much more, and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.
\n\n[00:02:08] Terrence shares his background and what led to the creation of GitSense.
\n\n[00:03:04] We learn what motivates Terrence to get up in the morning, how he thinks about metrics, and he tells us about Developers First Metrics and explains the three principles.
\n\n[00:08:09] Georg asks Terrence to talk more about the How and Why of the three principles, and the importance of context matters.
\n\n[00:14:50] Nicole asks Terrence how we measure the quality of contributions, even outside of code, since there are so many different skillsets and contributions coming in so many different forms.
\n\n[00:18:31] Georg asks Terrence if he has built other things in GitSense that he is super proud of that we can learn from, and hopefully get to see if other tools are being adopted as well. We learn more about a pyramid that became famous in the data science world called, The Hierarchy of Data Needs.
\n\n[00:24:48] Terrence explains more about the pyramid and the ability to clean and pre-process the data.
\n\n[00:26:20] Nicole asks Terrence to talk more about how he addresses not using data nefariously and ensuring that it is used for good and not guarding against not using it.
\n\n[00:35:27] Georg shares some thoughts on Terrence’s comments he made about creating a connections graph that shows open source contributions.
\n\n[00:37:14] Find out where you can connect with Terrence online.
\n\n[00:04:16] “Which is why I’m very much focused on what I call a Developer First Metrics.
\n\nHonestly, it’s based on three principles and I would love CHAOSS and others to adopt it. Developers First Metrics is pretty much can I answer quickly how and why? So, if you’re going to use metrics make sure you can explain how and why. The second aspect of developer metrics is, make sure it’s useful. Can a developer use developer metrics on a day-to-day basis, because it’s one thing to use it as organization, and it’s another thing to use it to judge developers, and it’s another thing to have a tool that actually, this is what I can use on a day-to-day basis as a developer. That’s the second principle. And the third principle honestly is transparency, like how easily can I verify that these numbers are correct.”
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nGitSense
\nterrchen@gitsense.com
\nThe Data Science Hierarchy Of Needs
\nDuolingo
\n_A League of Their Own _
\nSustainOSS Working Groups
Special Guest: Terrence Chen.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS Project, to wherever you like to listen. ","date_published":"2021-07-30T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/f94fa74d-84c7-42df-83f4-05bcfc7714e2.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":81129736,"duration_in_seconds":2535}]},{"id":"1d95118e-ded5-4873-9786-ecc887bd2238","title":"Episode 39: Leaderboards and Metrics at Drupal.org with Matthew Tift and Tim Lehnen","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/39","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Nicole Huesman | Sean Goggins\n\nGuests\n\nTim Lehnen | Matthew Tift\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS\n\nShow Notes\n\nToday, we are lucky to have two representatives from the Drupal community. Our two guests are Tim Lehnen, CTO of the Drupal Association, and Matthew Tift, Lead Engineer at Lullabot, who has been involved in the Drupal Project since 2010. They are here today to talk about who contributes to open source and how do we understand this in the Drupal Community. We also learn the meaning behind Tim and Matthew’s catchphrases, “Build a better picture of how open source gets built” and “Building a better understanding of corporate citizenship in open source.” Download this episode now to find out much more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. \n\n[00:02:13] Tim and Matthew introduce themselves and tell us what they do and how they got into the Drupal community.\n\n[00:06:18] Tim and Matthew talk about what the Drupal community is doing to really be this community that it is today.\n\n[00:13:14] Nicole wonders how Tim and Matthew go about putting a pulse on who’s contributing from a non-code perspective, and if there are ways that they surface these contributors either through reports or other ways. They talk about the mechanics of what they do. \n\n[00:18:43] Tim talks about one of the key considerations of the initial design is wanting to avoid giving people too much paperwork, and Tim tells us the two catchphrases they came up.\n\n[00:20:15] Matt talks about an analysis that he did with Dries Buytaert called, “Who sponsors Drupal development?”\n\n[00:25:16] Tim talks about two points that were brought up by Matt and Nicole earlier about the value of understanding who gets paid to the work and the different roles and historically unnoticed roles in open source.\n\n[00:28:24] We learn more about what we can do with the data when we capture it really well. Tim talks about the cool data they gathered and what they did with it, and the experiment they are trying out at the Drupal Association.\n\n[00:38:43] Georg asks Tim how the issue tracker is being used and how has that collaboration shaping up there. \n\n[00:49:16] Nicole asks if Tim and Matthew if they report out on the diversity of the Drupal community and if they’ve seen upticks or changes.\n\n[00:52:24] Find out where you can follow Tim and Matthew and their work online. They also share advice for communities that want to adopt a system and resources or any starting points. \n\nQuotes\n\n[00:17:25] “It’s organizing these different events, it’s writing a blog, it’s all of these different things that we do to, it’s the so what who cares, it’s the translating the lines of code into, you know at heart I’m a storyteller, so it’s really translating these lines of code into why is that important to our broader world.”\n\n[00:19:48] “Building a better picture of how open source gets built” and “Building a better understanding of corporate citizenship in open source,” were two of our sort of like catch phrases.”\n\n[00:31:57] “So if your organization sponsors a lot of people’s time you get to come up right on top of the list, you get more business and leads, you’re rewarded for sponsoring your developers to work on the project, and that encourages you to do it more.”\n\n[00:38:08] “Nobody in our community wants people to feel bad, so we’re trying to tweak this. We’re trying to work on our algorithms, our marketplace page as a committee that could probably talk about that studying this.” \n\n[00:42:12] “So, we have our contribution recognition committee which has access to what the true weights are. We don’t publish the exact numbers of those variables because gaming the system is something you have to look out for and manage and review periodically.”\n\n[00:44:48] “And I think for me, there is still the sense that you can use these data in different kinds of ways and one of them is to sort of rank people. And I think in another way, one of the more interesting views is to kind of understand the diversity of the community, to try and understand what sort of initiatives are important to organizations, and what initiatives are important to say, volunteers.”\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n[00:53:51] Georg’s pick is the Nebraska Passport Program.\n[00:54:38] Nicole’s pick is traveling to Massachusetts and Maine with her son this summer. \n[00:55:27] Sean’s pick is a book called, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering: Learning to Learn _by Richard W. Hamming. _\n[00:55:57] Tim’s pick is working with his brother on building a PC Case Mod with custom water cooling, and it’s NASA themed. \n[00:56:44] Matthew’s pick is a book called, Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias _in a World Designed for Men _by Caroline Criado Perez.\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nMatthew Tift Website\nMatthew Tift Twitter\nMatthew Tift Linkedin\nMatthew.tift@lullabot.com\nTim Lehnen-Drupal\nTim Lehnen Twitter\nTim Lehnen Linkedin\ntim@association.drupal.org\nDrupal\nLullabot\nDrupal Contribution Credit\nOpenStack Diversity Report \n“Who sponsors Drupal development?” (2019-2020 edition)\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 20-CHAOSS + FINOS: Lessons Learned with Rob Underwood\nGitLab issue, proposing to add the Drupal system-Tim Lehnen\nDrupal Diversity & Inclusion\nNebraska Passport Program\nThe Art of Doing Science and Engineering: Learning to Learn by Richard W. Hamming\nInvisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado PerezSpecial Guests: Matthew Tift and Tim Lehnen.","content_html":"Georg Link | Nicole Huesman | Sean Goggins
\n\nTim Lehnen | Matthew Tift
\n\nToday, we are lucky to have two representatives from the Drupal community. Our two guests are Tim Lehnen, CTO of the Drupal Association, and Matthew Tift, Lead Engineer at Lullabot, who has been involved in the Drupal Project since 2010. They are here today to talk about who contributes to open source and how do we understand this in the Drupal Community. We also learn the meaning behind Tim and Matthew’s catchphrases, “Build a better picture of how open source gets built” and “Building a better understanding of corporate citizenship in open source.” Download this episode now to find out much more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.
\n\n[00:02:13] Tim and Matthew introduce themselves and tell us what they do and how they got into the Drupal community.
\n\n[00:06:18] Tim and Matthew talk about what the Drupal community is doing to really be this community that it is today.
\n\n[00:13:14] Nicole wonders how Tim and Matthew go about putting a pulse on who’s contributing from a non-code perspective, and if there are ways that they surface these contributors either through reports or other ways. They talk about the mechanics of what they do.
\n\n[00:18:43] Tim talks about one of the key considerations of the initial design is wanting to avoid giving people too much paperwork, and Tim tells us the two catchphrases they came up.
\n\n[00:20:15] Matt talks about an analysis that he did with Dries Buytaert called, “Who sponsors Drupal development?”
\n\n[00:25:16] Tim talks about two points that were brought up by Matt and Nicole earlier about the value of understanding who gets paid to the work and the different roles and historically unnoticed roles in open source.
\n\n[00:28:24] We learn more about what we can do with the data when we capture it really well. Tim talks about the cool data they gathered and what they did with it, and the experiment they are trying out at the Drupal Association.
\n\n[00:38:43] Georg asks Tim how the issue tracker is being used and how has that collaboration shaping up there.
\n\n[00:49:16] Nicole asks if Tim and Matthew if they report out on the diversity of the Drupal community and if they’ve seen upticks or changes.
\n\n[00:52:24] Find out where you can follow Tim and Matthew and their work online. They also share advice for communities that want to adopt a system and resources or any starting points.
\n\n[00:17:25] “It’s organizing these different events, it’s writing a blog, it’s all of these different things that we do to, it’s the so what who cares, it’s the translating the lines of code into, you know at heart I’m a storyteller, so it’s really translating these lines of code into why is that important to our broader world.”
\n\n[00:19:48] “Building a better picture of how open source gets built” and “Building a better understanding of corporate citizenship in open source,” were two of our sort of like catch phrases.”
\n\n[00:31:57] “So if your organization sponsors a lot of people’s time you get to come up right on top of the list, you get more business and leads, you’re rewarded for sponsoring your developers to work on the project, and that encourages you to do it more.”
\n\n[00:38:08] “Nobody in our community wants people to feel bad, so we’re trying to tweak this. We’re trying to work on our algorithms, our marketplace page as a committee that could probably talk about that studying this.”
\n\n[00:42:12] “So, we have our contribution recognition committee which has access to what the true weights are. We don’t publish the exact numbers of those variables because gaming the system is something you have to look out for and manage and review periodically.”
\n\n[00:44:48] “And I think for me, there is still the sense that you can use these data in different kinds of ways and one of them is to sort of rank people. And I think in another way, one of the more interesting views is to kind of understand the diversity of the community, to try and understand what sort of initiatives are important to organizations, and what initiatives are important to say, volunteers.”
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nMatthew Tift Website
\nMatthew Tift Twitter
\nMatthew Tift Linkedin
\nMatthew.tift@lullabot.com
\nTim Lehnen-Drupal
\nTim Lehnen Twitter
\nTim Lehnen Linkedin
\ntim@association.drupal.org
\nDrupal
\nLullabot
\nDrupal Contribution Credit
\nOpenStack Diversity Report
\n“Who sponsors Drupal development?” (2019-2020 edition)
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 20-CHAOSS + FINOS: Lessons Learned with Rob Underwood
\nGitLab issue, proposing to add the Drupal system-Tim Lehnen
\nDrupal Diversity & Inclusion
\nNebraska Passport Program
\nThe Art of Doing Science and Engineering: Learning to Learn by Richard W. Hamming
\nInvisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado Perez
Special Guests: Matthew Tift and Tim Lehnen.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS project to wherever you like to listen. ","date_published":"2021-07-16T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/1d95118e-ded5-4873-9786-ecc887bd2238.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":85170325,"duration_in_seconds":3548}]},{"id":"36819fa4-530a-4843-b5e9-492741b6d353","title":"Episode 38: Co.Lab and Increasing Diversity in STEM with Ruth Suehle","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/38","content_text":"Panelists\n\nSean Goggins | Brian Proffitt | Elizabeth Barron\n\nGuest\n\nRuth Suehle\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:01:16] Ruth tells us about herself and her background. \n\n[00:03:56] Ruth fills us in on what Co.Lab is, what was involved with it, and what it was like taking it virtual. She also talks about some cool projects that they did.\n\n[00:10:35] Sean wonders Ruth has been able to sustain the level of participation in Co.Lab since it’s gone virtual and she shares exciting news. \n\n[00:12:11] We find out how much Co.Lab has grown in the past four years. She mentions SparkFun to purchase these fun kits. \n\n[00:14:52] Brian remembers when the gaming and tech space gaming came out and Ruth talks about that curriculum that was part of the virtual. She mentions Red Hat Arcade and Game On text.\n\n[00:21:33] Ruth shares more about the gaming community of practice and tells us about Open Jam. \n\n[00:25:17] Ruth tells us other things they are keeping track of besides the number of attendees. \n\n[00:27:11] Find out how you can get involved with Co.Lab as a volunteer. Ruth talks about how she hopes there’s a lot more of these experiences for kids in the future.\n\n[00:30:24] Sean asks Ruth when the in-person events return, how quickly does she think of what she has accomplished in the virtual Co.Lab will be retained, or does she think that the virtual is now going to co-evolve alongside the in-person events.\n\nAdds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n[00:34:26] Sean’s pick is gameontext.org.\n[00:34:43] Brian’s pick is the new Contributor.Link project.\n[00:36:44] Elizabeth’s pick is an App called iNaturalist.org.\n[00:37:27] Ruth’s pick is callforcode.org.\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nRuth Suehle Twitter\nRuth Suehle Linkedin\nruth@redhat.com\nRed Hat\nOpensource\nCo.Lab Open Source Stories\nRed Hat Official Co.Lab-GitHub\nSparkFun Red Hat Co.Lab Kits\nRed Hat Arcade\nGAME ON\nOpen Jam\nGame On Text\nContributor.Link\niNaturalist\nCall for CodeSpecial Guest: Ruth Suehle.","content_html":"Sean Goggins | Brian Proffitt | Elizabeth Barron
\n\nRuth Suehle
\n\n[00:01:16] Ruth tells us about herself and her background.
\n\n[00:03:56] Ruth fills us in on what Co.Lab is, what was involved with it, and what it was like taking it virtual. She also talks about some cool projects that they did.
\n\n[00:10:35] Sean wonders Ruth has been able to sustain the level of participation in Co.Lab since it’s gone virtual and she shares exciting news.
\n\n[00:12:11] We find out how much Co.Lab has grown in the past four years. She mentions SparkFun to purchase these fun kits.
\n\n[00:14:52] Brian remembers when the gaming and tech space gaming came out and Ruth talks about that curriculum that was part of the virtual. She mentions Red Hat Arcade and Game On text.
\n\n[00:21:33] Ruth shares more about the gaming community of practice and tells us about Open Jam.
\n\n[00:25:17] Ruth tells us other things they are keeping track of besides the number of attendees.
\n\n[00:27:11] Find out how you can get involved with Co.Lab as a volunteer. Ruth talks about how she hopes there’s a lot more of these experiences for kids in the future.
\n\n[00:30:24] Sean asks Ruth when the in-person events return, how quickly does she think of what she has accomplished in the virtual Co.Lab will be retained, or does she think that the virtual is now going to co-evolve alongside the in-person events.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nRuth Suehle Twitter
\nRuth Suehle Linkedin
\nruth@redhat.com
\nRed Hat
\nOpensource
\nCo.Lab Open Source Stories
\nRed Hat Official Co.Lab-GitHub
\nSparkFun Red Hat Co.Lab Kits
\nRed Hat Arcade
\nGAME ON
\nOpen Jam
\nGame On Text
\nContributor.Link
\niNaturalist
\nCall for Code
Special Guest: Ruth Suehle.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring and improving open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS project to wherever you like to listen. \r\n\r\nToday, our special guest is Ruth Suehle, Director of Community Outreach in Red Hat’s Open Source Program Office. Ruth is here to tell us all about Co.Lab, which is Red Hat and open source in action, started in 2017 as an outreach effort to middle school girls to increase their interest in STEM and to teach them the fundamental concepts of open source. She talks about some really cool projects they did, how it’s grown over the past four years, and the gaming and tech space gaming curriculum. Also, find out how you can get involved with Co.Lab as a volunteer. Download this episode now to find out much more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2021-07-02T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/36819fa4-530a-4843-b5e9-492741b6d353.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":75249664,"duration_in_seconds":2351}]},{"id":"71140eba-01c2-4cf1-885b-ce8320b8533e","title":"Episode 37: The Orbit Model with Patrick Woods","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/37","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Venia Logan\n\nGuest\n\nPatrick Woods\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:18] Patrick tells us about himself and his journey of what got him to where he is today. \n\n[00:08:00] We learn more about the foundations of The Orbit Model and what it looks like. Patrick explains the central components which are gravity, love, reach, and orbit level.\n\n[00:13:05] Patrick goes over the other prior models that community managers have used and compares it to this orbit analogy.\n\n[00:16:04] Venia asks Patrick to talk about how a person’s interaction over time and the measurement, how that love decays can tell you where they are in that path. \n\n[00:23:21] Patrick fills us on the users of The Orbit Model and Georg wonders if he has some insights from the users of the Orbit Model, and if he’s seen any pitfalls or success stories.\n\n[00:28:07] We learn from Patrick if he fosters conversations between communities and their community managers, and what kind of communities he sees The Orbit Model being applied to.\n\n[00:33:07] Georg talks about community health and how the CHAOSS project uses the metrics to understand the health of our open source communities. He wonders if The Orbit Model looks at it that way or if there’s another way to look at it.\n\n[00:35:26] Patrick tells us about when the Orbit company started and building a product around it, and about the future of Orbit. \n\n[00:38:16] Find out all the different places you can find Patrick online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:39:37] Venia’s pick is a book called, Secret Formulas of the Wizard of Ads by Roy Williams.\n [00:40:43] Patrick’s pick is a book called_, The Culture Map_ by Erin Meyer.\n [00:42:11] Georg’s picks are visiting your local library and a book called, Angrynomics by Eric Lonergan and Mark Blyth.\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nPatrick Woods Twitter\nPatrick Woods Linkedin\nDeveloper Love podcast\nOrbit\nOrbit Blog\nThe Orbit Model-GitHub\nSecret Formulas of the Wizard of Ads by Roy Williams\nThe Culture Map by Erin Meyer\nAngrynomics by Eric Lonergan and Mark Blyth\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 2-Social Currency Metric System (SCMS)Special Guest: Patrick Woods.","content_html":"Georg Link | Venia Logan
\n\nPatrick Woods
\n\n[00:02:18] Patrick tells us about himself and his journey of what got him to where he is today.
\n\n[00:08:00] We learn more about the foundations of The Orbit Model and what it looks like. Patrick explains the central components which are gravity, love, reach, and orbit level.
\n\n[00:13:05] Patrick goes over the other prior models that community managers have used and compares it to this orbit analogy.
\n\n[00:16:04] Venia asks Patrick to talk about how a person’s interaction over time and the measurement, how that love decays can tell you where they are in that path.
\n\n[00:23:21] Patrick fills us on the users of The Orbit Model and Georg wonders if he has some insights from the users of the Orbit Model, and if he’s seen any pitfalls or success stories.
\n\n[00:28:07] We learn from Patrick if he fosters conversations between communities and their community managers, and what kind of communities he sees The Orbit Model being applied to.
\n\n[00:33:07] Georg talks about community health and how the CHAOSS project uses the metrics to understand the health of our open source communities. He wonders if The Orbit Model looks at it that way or if there’s another way to look at it.
\n\n[00:35:26] Patrick tells us about when the Orbit company started and building a product around it, and about the future of Orbit.
\n\n[00:38:16] Find out all the different places you can find Patrick online.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nPatrick Woods Twitter
\nPatrick Woods Linkedin
\nDeveloper Love podcast
\nOrbit
\nOrbit Blog
\nThe Orbit Model-GitHub
\nSecret Formulas of the Wizard of Ads by Roy Williams
\nThe Culture Map by Erin Meyer
\nAngrynomics by Eric Lonergan and Mark Blyth
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 2-Social Currency Metric System (SCMS)
Special Guest: Patrick Woods.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS project to wherever you like to listen. Today, we have as our guest, Patrick Woods, Co-Founder and CEO at Orbit, the platform that helps companies measure, understand, and grow their communities wherever they meet. He’s also the Co-Creator of the Orbit Model and the host of the Developer Love podcast. We will learn all about Patrick’s background, the history and future of Orbit, the central components of The Orbit Model, and its approach to getting insights to communities. Also, Patrick tells us a little bit more about the Developer Love podcast. Download this episode now to find out much more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.","date_published":"2021-06-18T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/71140eba-01c2-4cf1-885b-ce8320b8533e.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":84776198,"duration_in_seconds":2649}]},{"id":"1145b90e-b3bb-4393-b729-43fffd8afeff","title":"Episode 36: CHAOSS DEI Badging Initiative with Rachel Braun and Celia Stamps","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/36","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Matt Snell | Ruth Ikegah | Matt Germonprez\n\nGuest\n\nRachel Braun\nCelia Stamps\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:50] Rachel and Celia tell us what they do at the Linux Foundation.\n\n[00:04:15] We learn what the goal was of starting the DEI Badging Initiative from the CHAOSS perspective. \n\n[00:07:21] Rachel and Celia tell us why it’s important for events to take part in the badging initiative. \n\n[00:10:46] Find out about the process of getting a badge. \n\n[00:13:38] Ruth and Rachel explain more about the reviewer process.\n\n[00:15:52] Celia and Rachel explain the process of getting started and the steps they took until they got the badge. \n\n[00:21:40] Matt wonders if there are DEI related items that Rachel and Celia are working on at the Linux Foundations that CHAOSS is not asking in the badging application process.\n\n[00:25:42] Georg is curious if after going through the process and getting feedback, if there were things that Rachel and Celia took away from it, things they learned from, or things they would do different with their events because they went through the process.\n\n[00:27:38] Find out where you can follow Celia and Rachel online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:28:36] Georg’s pick is using Respite in foster care and going on a trip to Sioux Falls.\n [00:29:23] Ruth’s pick is DEI and learning how to care for people you don’t know as a reviewer in the Badging Initiative.\n [00:31:12] Rachel’s pick is celebrating some milestones in her family and taking joy in the smaller things.\n [00:31:51] Matt Snell’s picks are his upcoming wedding and his new dog Mabel.\n [00:32:16] Matt Germonprez’s pick is going out with his family since it’s close to Morel mushroom hunting season.\n [00:33:02] Celia’s pick is mentally and physically preparing for her baby #2 coming in mid-July. \n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nRachel Braun Linkedin\nCelia Stamps Linkedin\nShields.io-GitHub badges\nThe Journal of Open Source Software\nDiversity & Inclusion Event Badging Form\nÇity of Sioux Falls\nThe Great MorelSpecial Guests: Celia Stamps and Rachel Braun.","content_html":"Georg Link | Matt Snell | Ruth Ikegah | Matt Germonprez
\n\n[00:02:50] Rachel and Celia tell us what they do at the Linux Foundation.
\n\n[00:04:15] We learn what the goal was of starting the DEI Badging Initiative from the CHAOSS perspective.
\n\n[00:07:21] Rachel and Celia tell us why it’s important for events to take part in the badging initiative.
\n\n[00:10:46] Find out about the process of getting a badge.
\n\n[00:13:38] Ruth and Rachel explain more about the reviewer process.
\n\n[00:15:52] Celia and Rachel explain the process of getting started and the steps they took until they got the badge.
\n\n[00:21:40] Matt wonders if there are DEI related items that Rachel and Celia are working on at the Linux Foundations that CHAOSS is not asking in the badging application process.
\n\n[00:25:42] Georg is curious if after going through the process and getting feedback, if there were things that Rachel and Celia took away from it, things they learned from, or things they would do different with their events because they went through the process.
\n\n[00:27:38] Find out where you can follow Celia and Rachel online.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nRachel Braun Linkedin
\nCelia Stamps Linkedin
\nShields.io-GitHub badges
\nThe Journal of Open Source Software
\nDiversity & Inclusion Event Badging Form
\nÇity of Sioux Falls
\nThe Great Morel
Special Guests: Celia Stamps and Rachel Braun.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to CHAOSScast Community podcast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS project to wherever you like to listen. Today, we have two guests from the Linux Foundation, Rachel Braun and Celia Stamps, who are here to talk about the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Initiative at the CHAOSS Project. They are applicants to the project who earned the gold badge for various events that they’re hosting. We will learn how this badging process works as Rachel and Celia share what they’ve done, what they’ve learned, and what they’re looking to do. Download this episode now to find out much more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2021-06-04T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/1145b90e-b3bb-4393-b729-43fffd8afeff.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":66170720,"duration_in_seconds":2067}]},{"id":"012cf1cd-d1cc-4721-a613-2c8216cd1e49","title":"Episode 35: Metrics for Downstream Users of Open Source with Justin Rackliffe","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/35","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Kate Stewart\n\nGuest\n\nJustin Rackliffe\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:17] Justin tells us what he does, his background, and his journey to where he is today.\n\n[00:04:47] Georg wonders if Justin is the only one helping with all the different concerns around open source, and he also tells us what the structure is like that he works within. \n\n[00:07:17] Kate wonders with the amount of automation happening behind the scenes to effectively make policy decisions if it is all still funneling more manually then Justin would like. Also, Justin explains how they want to leverage other people’s stuff and contributing back when they can. \n\n[00:09:58] Justin talks about SBOM’s being a challenge in the industry. \n\n[00:10:56] Kate explains what Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) and Software Package Data Exchange (SPDX) are.\n\n[00:15:18] Justin tells us other data points and metrics he employs besides SBOM.\n\n[00:19:08] Kate mentions one of the challenges is identity for software in the industry and matching it up to other sources of information and metrics, and she wonders if Justin finds it easy or hard to find that type of matching and if he’s looking at the National Vulnerability Database (NVD) as a set of risk metrics associated with a project whether it’s up to date as part of his signals.\n\n[00:22:31] Justin explains the difference in viewpoints between CHAOSS metrics and Downstream metrics. \n\n[00:25:14] Kate wonders how much some of the signals that the project sends about new releases and implicit end of life when you’ve got a new release coming out, and how much do people park on one release and not move it forward. \n\n[00:27:37] Justin talks about how tooling needs to be visible and we learn what kind of signals are useful to him.\n\n[00:31:17] We learn from Justin what he would like to see if Georg gave him a magic wand and he could wish for anything from the CHAOSS Project to support him.\n\n[00:34:41] Find out where you can follow Justin online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:35:59] Georg’s pick is the Apple watch.\n [00:37:03] Kate’s pick is having a quarterly meeting with the NTIA SBOM working group. \n [00:37:53] Justin’s pick is his bike and getting out on the greenways.\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nJustin Rackliffe Linkedin\nJustin Rackliffe Twitter\nopensource@fidelity.com\nFidelity Investments-GitHub\nSPDX-GitHub\nApple Watch\nNational Telecommunications and Information Administration SBOMSpecial Guest: Justin Rackliffe.","content_html":"Georg Link | Kate Stewart
\n\n[00:02:17] Justin tells us what he does, his background, and his journey to where he is today.
\n\n[00:04:47] Georg wonders if Justin is the only one helping with all the different concerns around open source, and he also tells us what the structure is like that he works within.
\n\n[00:07:17] Kate wonders with the amount of automation happening behind the scenes to effectively make policy decisions if it is all still funneling more manually then Justin would like. Also, Justin explains how they want to leverage other people’s stuff and contributing back when they can.
\n\n[00:09:58] Justin talks about SBOM’s being a challenge in the industry.
\n\n[00:10:56] Kate explains what Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) and Software Package Data Exchange (SPDX) are.
\n\n[00:15:18] Justin tells us other data points and metrics he employs besides SBOM.
\n\n[00:19:08] Kate mentions one of the challenges is identity for software in the industry and matching it up to other sources of information and metrics, and she wonders if Justin finds it easy or hard to find that type of matching and if he’s looking at the National Vulnerability Database (NVD) as a set of risk metrics associated with a project whether it’s up to date as part of his signals.
\n\n[00:22:31] Justin explains the difference in viewpoints between CHAOSS metrics and Downstream metrics.
\n\n[00:25:14] Kate wonders how much some of the signals that the project sends about new releases and implicit end of life when you’ve got a new release coming out, and how much do people park on one release and not move it forward.
\n\n[00:27:37] Justin talks about how tooling needs to be visible and we learn what kind of signals are useful to him.
\n\n[00:31:17] We learn from Justin what he would like to see if Georg gave him a magic wand and he could wish for anything from the CHAOSS Project to support him.
\n\n[00:34:41] Find out where you can follow Justin online.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nJustin Rackliffe Linkedin
\nJustin Rackliffe Twitter
\nopensource@fidelity.com
\nFidelity Investments-GitHub
\nSPDX-GitHub
\nApple Watch
\nNational Telecommunications and Information Administration SBOM
Special Guest: Justin Rackliffe.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to this episode CHAOSScast, where we share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. Elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software, or short CHAOSS project to wherever you like to listen. On today’s episode, our special guest is Justin Rackliffe, who is the Director of Open Source Governance at Fidelity Investments. Our discussion will focus on downstream users and the metrics that downstream users of open source are looking at. Also, we learn more about SBOM and SPDX, and what Justin wishes from the CHAOSS Project to support him as a downstream user of open source software. Download this episode to find out much more! To stay up to date on future episodes, don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast or on your favorite podcast App and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2021-05-21T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/012cf1cd-d1cc-4721-a613-2c8216cd1e49.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":76749329,"duration_in_seconds":2398}]},{"id":"d06ceb2d-bc88-4594-8445-759760c2547f","title":"Episode 34: Anniversary Episode with Georg, Dawn, Matt, Sophia, Elizabeth","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/34","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez | Sophia Vargas | Elizabeth Barron\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:04:29] Georg dives right in to tell us why he wanted to start this podcast and the project, also, we learn the early goals he had with the podcast and the success the podcast has had in the last year. He mentions different episodes to check out. \n\n[00:08:00] Dawn tells us what she’s appreciated about the CHAOSS podcast over the year.\n\n[00:09:42] Dawn, Sophia, and Matt share the episode that was most interesting to them and what they learned from that episode. \n\n[00:13:12] Elizabeth shares the impact she has seen with the podcast on the community as a whole, and Sarah shares thoughts as well about the podcast being able to highlight the diversity in which metrics are important and applicable.\n\n[00:16:10] Georg talks about what he sees as the future of the podcast and the CHAOSS Community. Matt shares thoughts on the podcast as well.\n\n[00:19:38] The panelists share how they see the CHAOSS Project evolving and where do they see it heading now from where we’ve come in the last four years.\n\n[00:25:42] Dawn and Matt talk about how CHAOSS is trying to broaden the reach of work by moving into doing translations for both Chinese and Spanish. \n\n[00:26:50] Georg recognizes everyone who is working behind the scenes to make this podcast possible. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:29:22] Georg’s pick is an article, “This 5-Move, No-Gym Workout Got Matt Damon Fighting Fit in His Forties.”\n [00:29:59] Dawn’s pick is GitHub bots that automate all the things, specifically with the Kubernetes prow.\n [00:30:54] Sophia’s pick is World of Code DB.\n [00:32:41] Elizabeth’s pick is a Twitter account called “place where cat shouldn’t be.”\n [00:33:15] Matt’s pick is Morel mushroom hunting tips.\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 1-“Hello, World!”\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 5-Defining “Open Source Community Health”\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 9-In Defense of Vanity Metrics\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 19-GSOC: Anomaly Detection with Pratik, Akshara, Sarit, and Tianyi\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 21-GSOC Pt. 2: Extending GrimoireLab projects with Ria and Venu\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 23-GSOC & Outreachy: D&I Efforts-Aastha and Tola\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 25-GSOC: GitLab Data with Abhinav\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 27-GSOD with Xiaoya & Jaskirat\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 31-Marketing Metrics with teams from GNOME & KDE\n“This 5-Move, No-Gym Workout Got Matt Damon Fighting Fit in His Forties” by Tom Ward (Esquire)\nCauldron\nCHAOSS Community Reports \nCHAOSS DEI Event Badging\nProw-GitHub\nPlace where cat shouldn’t be-Twitter\nPlace where cat shouldn’t be-Instagram\nThe Great Morel","content_html":"Georg Link | Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez | Sophia Vargas | Elizabeth Barron
\n\n[00:04:29] Georg dives right in to tell us why he wanted to start this podcast and the project, also, we learn the early goals he had with the podcast and the success the podcast has had in the last year. He mentions different episodes to check out.
\n\n[00:08:00] Dawn tells us what she’s appreciated about the CHAOSS podcast over the year.
\n\n[00:09:42] Dawn, Sophia, and Matt share the episode that was most interesting to them and what they learned from that episode.
\n\n[00:13:12] Elizabeth shares the impact she has seen with the podcast on the community as a whole, and Sarah shares thoughts as well about the podcast being able to highlight the diversity in which metrics are important and applicable.
\n\n[00:16:10] Georg talks about what he sees as the future of the podcast and the CHAOSS Community. Matt shares thoughts on the podcast as well.
\n\n[00:19:38] The panelists share how they see the CHAOSS Project evolving and where do they see it heading now from where we’ve come in the last four years.
\n\n[00:25:42] Dawn and Matt talk about how CHAOSS is trying to broaden the reach of work by moving into doing translations for both Chinese and Spanish.
\n\n[00:26:50] Georg recognizes everyone who is working behind the scenes to make this podcast possible.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 1-“Hello, World!”
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 5-Defining “Open Source Community Health”
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 9-In Defense of Vanity Metrics
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 19-GSOC: Anomaly Detection with Pratik, Akshara, Sarit, and Tianyi
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 21-GSOC Pt. 2: Extending GrimoireLab projects with Ria and Venu
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 23-GSOC & Outreachy: D&I Efforts-Aastha and Tola
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 25-GSOC: GitLab Data with Abhinav
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 27-GSOD with Xiaoya & Jaskirat
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 31-Marketing Metrics with teams from GNOME & KDE
\n“This 5-Move, No-Gym Workout Got Matt Damon Fighting Fit in His Forties” by Tom Ward (Esquire)
\nCauldron
\nCHAOSS Community Reports
\nCHAOSS DEI Event Badging
\nProw-GitHub
\nPlace where cat shouldn’t be-Twitter
\nPlace where cat shouldn’t be-Instagram
\nThe Great Morel
Georg Link | Sophia Vargas | Armstrong Foundjem
\n\n[00:02:33] Emil tells us all about himself, what he does, and explains what software composition analysis is.
\n\n[00:05:10] Sophia asks Emil for his perspective on open source health, measuring the quality of open source, and what it means for his customers and his platform. He mentions a great book to read as well.
\n\n[00:08:52] Emil tells us what people struggle with the most in terms of what he needs to help them understand or reeducate them in what is valuable in here, and how he helps them understand why they should care about these things.
\n\n[00:13:32] Emil explains how his journey started in open source and how it has evolved over time.
\n\n[00:15:32] Armstrong brings up future engineering and his concern with bias and perspective of communities, and Emil goes into more detail about it.
\n\n[00:20:41] We learn about a graph model of all open source that Emil is developing.
\n\n[00:22:24] Sophia wonders if Emil is interested in tracking the influence of individuals in these systems and if that’s something that could often muck up very systematic approaches and how he handles it. He talks about a project called Flask RESTX that he recommends.
\n\n[00:27:38] Armstrong brings up the problem with maintenance which draws him to the metrics and how the social aspect of this community is a huge concern, and he wonders how Emil mitigates this aspect since an open source community deals with the socio-technical.
\n\n[00:30:25] Emil walks us through his terminology.
\n\n[00:35:52] Armstrong asks Emil how open he is to collaboration to make sure that we can work to view a very complex set of a model that we are presented. Sophia also shares interest in working with Emil’s model within the CHAOSS project and within some of their research divisions at Google.
\n\n[00:38:48] Find out where you can connect with Emil online.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nEmil Wåreus Linkedin
\ndebricked
\nThe debricked blog
\nFlask RESTX
\nThe Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams
\nReady Player One by Ernest Cline
\nCowait
Special Guest: Emil Wåreus.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast. Our special guest today is Emil Wåreus, Co-Founder and the Head of Data Science at Debricked, a small start-up in Sweden, that provides state-of-the-art tools for license, vulnerability, and open source software management. Our discussion focuses on measuring open source and understanding the value that can bring to the different companies and industries. We will learn what Emil does, how his journey started in open source, and how it has evolved over time. Also, he tells us about a graph model of all open source he is developing. Download this episode to find out much more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2021-04-23T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/dbfd5ad6-8696-4651-99c4-efa3c62966b4.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":62357240,"duration_in_seconds":2598}]},{"id":"46c4c84d-e342-4190-a8b2-e8120f68019f","title":"Episode 32: SmartSHARK: Reproducible Project and Code Analysis with Steffen and Alexander","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/32","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Andrea Gallo | Sean Goggins\n\nGuests\n\nSteffen Herbold\nAlexander Trautsch\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:01:36] Steffen and Alexander introduce themselves and tell us what they do.\n\n[00:02:29] We learn what SmartSHARK is. \n\n[00:04:39] Alexander tells us where to begin if you want to learn about a repository using SmartSHARK.\n\n[00:09:30] Sean talks about a similar project he’s working on as part of the CHAOSS project. \n\n[00:10:40] Georg wonders what they have learned from the data and how they’ve used it since they’ve collected such a huge pile of data and have metrics on all of that. \n\n[00:12:13] Alexander shares some insights on some of his research findings.\n\n[00:16:17] Alexander explains what he means by static analysis and if the recommendations in the static analysis are language specific. \n\n[00:19:18] Andrea wonders how Alexander defines the rules and if he refers to specific standards.\n\n[00:21:35] Georg wonders if Steffen has looked at any other metrics, and if he has looked at any of those kinds of community health metrics if he’s paired them with the code metrics he was looking at. Steffen tells us about a database they are using.\n\n[00:23:58] If you’re interested in exploring the data and seeing the insights, Steffen tells us where you can get started.\n\n[00:26:27] Andrea asks Steffen if there are any public projects that he can share with us that he has seen improving or getting worse, and he tells us about literature on defect predictions in software.\n\n[00:30:31] Georg asks Steffen if he had one wish for the CHAOSS Project what it would be.\n\n[00:31:23] Find out where you can follow Steffen and Alexander online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:32:27] Georg’s pick is the globalization, getting products imported from other countries.\n [00:33:13] Andrea’s pick is a book called, In the Shadow of Man by Jane Goodall.\n [00:33:42] Sean’s pick is his former master’s advisor at the University of Minnesota who helped Jane Goodall analyze her data.\n [00:34:07] Steffen’s pick is global and local communication and visual communication, like Zoom or BBB, to stay connected.\n [00:34:51] Alexander’s pick is learning a new language to help him relax.\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nSteffen Herbold Twitter\nSteffen Herbold Linkedin\nSoftware Engineering for Distributed Systems (research group)\nSmartSHARK\nSmartSHARK-GitHub\nIn the Shadow of Man by Jane GoodallSpecial Guests: Alexander Trautsch and Steffen Herbold.","content_html":"Georg Link | Andrea Gallo | Sean Goggins
\n\nSteffen Herbold
\nAlexander Trautsch
[00:01:36] Steffen and Alexander introduce themselves and tell us what they do.
\n\n[00:02:29] We learn what SmartSHARK is.
\n\n[00:04:39] Alexander tells us where to begin if you want to learn about a repository using SmartSHARK.
\n\n[00:09:30] Sean talks about a similar project he’s working on as part of the CHAOSS project.
\n\n[00:10:40] Georg wonders what they have learned from the data and how they’ve used it since they’ve collected such a huge pile of data and have metrics on all of that.
\n\n[00:12:13] Alexander shares some insights on some of his research findings.
\n\n[00:16:17] Alexander explains what he means by static analysis and if the recommendations in the static analysis are language specific.
\n\n[00:19:18] Andrea wonders how Alexander defines the rules and if he refers to specific standards.
\n\n[00:21:35] Georg wonders if Steffen has looked at any other metrics, and if he has looked at any of those kinds of community health metrics if he’s paired them with the code metrics he was looking at. Steffen tells us about a database they are using.
\n\n[00:23:58] If you’re interested in exploring the data and seeing the insights, Steffen tells us where you can get started.
\n\n[00:26:27] Andrea asks Steffen if there are any public projects that he can share with us that he has seen improving or getting worse, and he tells us about literature on defect predictions in software.
\n\n[00:30:31] Georg asks Steffen if he had one wish for the CHAOSS Project what it would be.
\n\n[00:31:23] Find out where you can follow Steffen and Alexander online.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nSteffen Herbold Twitter
\nSteffen Herbold Linkedin
\nSoftware Engineering for Distributed Systems (research group)
\nSmartSHARK
\nSmartSHARK-GitHub
\nIn the Shadow of Man by Jane Goodall
Special Guests: Alexander Trautsch and Steffen Herbold.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast. Today, we are very excited to have two guests, Steffen Herbold and Alexander Trautsch, who are behind the SmartSHARK project, which is a software ecosystem for mining software repositories. Steffen is currently an interim Professor at the Technical University of Clausthal, Germany and holds a PhD in Computer science. Alexander is a PhD candidate at the Institute of Computer Science of the University of Göttingen, Germany. We will find out all about their SmartSHARK project and what they’ve learned from the data. We learn from Alexander, insights on some of his research findings, and he explains what static analysis means. And, if you’re interested in exploring the data, find out where you can get started. Also, Steffen tells us if he had one wish for the CHAOSS project what it would be. Download this episode to find out much more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. Also, if you have new ideas for future episode topics or would even like to come on as a guest, please email us.","date_published":"2021-04-09T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/46c4c84d-e342-4190-a8b2-e8120f68019f.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":69653323,"duration_in_seconds":2176}]},{"id":"2d383245-73a9-4e25-bd2f-e85a34ecb003","title":"Episode 31: Marketing Metrics for OSS Foundations and Projects with Aniqa, Caroline, Kristi, and Paul from GNOME and KDE","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/31","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Sri Ramkrishna | Neofytos “Neo” Kolokotronis\n\nGuests\n\nAniqa Khokhar\nCaroline Henriksen\nKristi Progri\nPaul Brown\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:03:04] The four guests introduce themselves and tell us what community they are with.\n\n[00:05:23] Paul and Caroline share with us goals they have when they are doing their jobs for these GNOME and KDE communities.\n\n[00:06:37] Paul and Aniqa tells us what a typical day looks like for the work they do.\n\n[00:08:22] Sri asks them what their goals are and current methodology.\n\n[00:12:09] Paul asks Kristi how successful she is with people answering the surveys since he has seen so many people ignore them, and Caroline shares what they do as well.\n\n[00:14:16] Georg asks the guests if there are other goals they have for their communities besides bringing in more diverse people. Sri wonders if they go back and look at audience numbers as an indication of brand propagation.\n\n[00:17:05] Caroline explains to us what the Community Engagement Challenge is and what she did with the program.\n\n[00:18:46] Paul shares with us about market share, user base, and his thoughts on those metrics. \n\n[00:25:34] Caroline and Kristi tell us from a marketing perspective, how well their community is doing in terms of community health and what metrics they use in that communication.\n\n[00:28:33] We end with the guests each telling us the one metric they would like to see and what it would be. Also, find out where you can connect with them online to follow their work. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:31:23] Georg’s pick is making Marzipan.\n [00:32:10] Sri’s pick is his two black cats.\n [00:32:39] Caroline’s picks are her dog and a tool used for events called, Indico.\n [00:33:320] Kristi’s pick is a super cool book called Awareness by Anthony De Mello.\n [00:34:08] Aniqa’s pick is her nephew sharing what is happening at home.\n [00:34:20] Neo’s picks are his dog and the CHAOSS Diversity and Inclusion Events Badging Program.\n [00:35:07] Paul’s picks are Asian cooking and electronic boards for building circuits (linked below).\n\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nAniqa Khokhar Twitter\nAniqa Khokhar Linkedin\nCaroline Henriksen Twitter\nCaroline Henriksen Linkedin\nKristi Progri Twitter\nPaul Brown Twitter\nPaul Brown Blog\nKDE Community Promo’s Long Term Goals\nGNOME Community Engagement Challenge\nGNOME Final Challenge Showcase\nMarzipan\nIndico\nAwareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality by Anthony De Mello\nCHAOSS Diversity & Inclusion Event Badging Form\nLinux Magazine- “Node.js on the Rasp Pi” by Paul Brown\nLinux Magazine- “Graphical, Scratch-like programming languages for Arduino” by Paul Brown\nLinux Magazine- “Exploring the new Arduino/Genuino 101” by Paul Brown\nLinux Magazine- “Up Close with C.H.I.P” by Paul Brown\nLinux Magazine- “Get your Pi to read analog data” by Paul Brown\n\nThis episode was recorded with Big Blue Button, a free software web conferencing system.Special Guests: Aniqa Khokhar, Caroline Henriksen, Kristi Progri, Neofytos Kolokotronis, Paul Brown, and Sri.","content_html":"Georg Link | Sri Ramkrishna | Neofytos “Neo” Kolokotronis
\n\nAniqa Khokhar
\nCaroline Henriksen
\nKristi Progri
\nPaul Brown
[00:03:04] The four guests introduce themselves and tell us what community they are with.
\n\n[00:05:23] Paul and Caroline share with us goals they have when they are doing their jobs for these GNOME and KDE communities.
\n\n[00:06:37] Paul and Aniqa tells us what a typical day looks like for the work they do.
\n\n[00:08:22] Sri asks them what their goals are and current methodology.
\n\n[00:12:09] Paul asks Kristi how successful she is with people answering the surveys since he has seen so many people ignore them, and Caroline shares what they do as well.
\n\n[00:14:16] Georg asks the guests if there are other goals they have for their communities besides bringing in more diverse people. Sri wonders if they go back and look at audience numbers as an indication of brand propagation.
\n\n[00:17:05] Caroline explains to us what the Community Engagement Challenge is and what she did with the program.
\n\n[00:18:46] Paul shares with us about market share, user base, and his thoughts on those metrics.
\n\n[00:25:34] Caroline and Kristi tell us from a marketing perspective, how well their community is doing in terms of community health and what metrics they use in that communication.
\n\n[00:28:33] We end with the guests each telling us the one metric they would like to see and what it would be. Also, find out where you can connect with them online to follow their work.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nAniqa Khokhar Twitter
\nAniqa Khokhar Linkedin
\nCaroline Henriksen Twitter
\nCaroline Henriksen Linkedin
\nKristi Progri Twitter
\nPaul Brown Twitter
\nPaul Brown Blog
\nKDE Community Promo’s Long Term Goals
\nGNOME Community Engagement Challenge
\nGNOME Final Challenge Showcase
\nMarzipan
\nIndico
\nAwareness: The Perils and Opportunities of Reality by Anthony De Mello
\nCHAOSS Diversity & Inclusion Event Badging Form
\nLinux Magazine- “Node.js on the Rasp Pi” by Paul Brown
\nLinux Magazine- “Graphical, Scratch-like programming languages for Arduino” by Paul Brown
\nLinux Magazine- “Exploring the new Arduino/Genuino 101” by Paul Brown
\nLinux Magazine- “Up Close with C.H.I.P” by Paul Brown
\nLinux Magazine- “Get your Pi to read analog data” by Paul Brown
This episode was recorded with Big Blue Button, a free software web conferencing system.
Special Guests: Aniqa Khokhar, Caroline Henriksen, Kristi Progri, Neofytos Kolokotronis, Paul Brown, and Sri.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast. On today’s episode we are taking the conversation from our app ecosystem working group and sharing it with you. We invited some expert guests in because we have a topic that we decided we wanted some outside input. The app ecosystem working group was started last year with the goal of developing metrics for app ecosystems, like KDE and GNOME, and providing for several different personas in these large community’s metrics. We have two panelists joining us from the working group, Neo Kolokotronis, a KDE contributor, and Sri Ramkrishna, a member of the GNOME Project. Also, we have our four guests, Aniqa Khokhar, Caroline Henriksen, Kristi Progri, and Paul Brown, who are here today to talk about marketing and communication, what that means in these projects, and how we can support the people in these communities doing marketing and communications with metrics. And you don’t want to miss hearing about the Community Engagement Challenge that’s happening right now! Download this episode to find out much more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2021-03-26T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/2d383245-73a9-4e25-bd2f-e85a34ecb003.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":71539588,"duration_in_seconds":2235}]},{"id":"79e508ad-ca6e-4c9b-af1a-90a396ac4279","title":"Episode 30: Databases, Privacy, and Licenses with Matt Yonkovit","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/30","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Don Marti | Venia Logan\n\nGuest\n\nMatt Yonkovit\n\nQuotes\n\n[00:31:22] “We didn’t open source it to get help from the community, to make the product bigger. We open sourced as a freemium strategy; to drive adoption,” quote by MongoDB CEO. \n\n[00:37:32] “And I think that hurts the overall willingness for a lot of companies to invest heavily in community because community is a long tail activity. It’s about fostering relationships that last multiple companies. It’s about the fostering relationships that go over many years. And I think that’s a very important and key thing because when you look at marketing, is really designed to how do I get sales to get optimized? How do I get them leads to generate? So I think that’s an important thing to consider, is you’ve got this thing where you’ve got, Hey, I’m looking for the long term health of the community, but the bigger the community I have, the bigger pie that sales, eventually people will come in.” \n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:51] Matt tell us what Percona is and what he does there. He also tells us what his day-to-day looks like.\n\n[00:05:45] Since Matt’s community seems to be very diverse and spreads across a lot of platforms creating a lot of content, he talks about where all his community facets are how they tie into and generate a lot of the content that supports here in community. \n\n[00:09:25] Georg asks Matt if he looks at the health of these communities that they are a part of or what does he look at.\n\n[00:14:20] Matt talks about the laws that have been enacted recently and how people have become data hoarders.\n\n[00:16:40] We learn about most applications having the consent now on the internet, and Matt talks about schemas and how it’s like an anti-developer thing.\n\n[00:21:51] Georg brings up in the CHAOSS project and how they are crafting data policy or privacy policy for their open source project because the idea that we work in the open, the data is available, but some people don’t want them to analyze it even though it’s out there. Georg asks Matt if he has any ideas on this.\n\n[00:24:39] Don asks Matt if he finds himself taking private discussions and then going through the work of sanitizing them to the point where they can be shared with the community as a public content resource. \n\n[00:26:28] Venia wonders if Matt has a specific policy or data destruction point for their support tickets. Matt talks about having to implement different encryption schemes.\n\n[00:28:44] Matt shares his thoughts on open source licenses around databases. He mentions a talk he did at FOSDEM recently on “The Death of Openness and Freedom.”\n\n[00:35:55] Venia talks about metrics and putting together a dashboard for your community, and then asks Matt if he would say a lot of this could be cut off if you were to look at Metrics A rising and Metrics B lowering in proportion.\n\n[00:39:42] From the point of view of a developer who’s starting a new project, Don wonders how to balance the data base option against the option of running an open source database and managing it yourself. Matt explains database service being both a good thing and a bad thing all at the same time. \n\n[00:43:09] Matt tells us where we can find him online and more about his talks, blog, and podcast. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:44:07] Georg’s pick is Graphic novels to encourage reading.\n [00:44:37] Venia’s pick is a free book on communicationcache.com called, Virtual Teams That Work.\n [00:45:30] Matt’s pick is he’s excited to see ARM processors benchmarks. \n [00:46:27] Don’s pick is an open source project called Pi-hole.\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nMatt Yonkovit Twitter\nMatt Yonkovit Linkedin\nThe HOSS Talks FOSS Podcast-YouTube\nPercona Blog\nFOSDEM ’21- “The Death of Openness and Freedom? Open Source Under Attack” with Matt Yonkovit-FOSDEM\nFOSDEM ’21- “The Death of Openness and Freedom? Open Source Under Attack” with Matt Yonkovit-YouTube\nSCALE 19x-Southern California Linux Expo\nVirtual Teams That Work-Creating Conditions For Virtual Team Effectiveness\nPi-holeSpecial Guest: Matt Yonkovit.","content_html":"Georg Link | Don Marti | Venia Logan
\n\n[00:31:22] “We didn’t open source it to get help from the community, to make the product bigger. We open sourced as a freemium strategy; to drive adoption,” quote by MongoDB CEO.
\n\n[00:37:32] “And I think that hurts the overall willingness for a lot of companies to invest heavily in community because community is a long tail activity. It’s about fostering relationships that last multiple companies. It’s about the fostering relationships that go over many years. And I think that’s a very important and key thing because when you look at marketing, is really designed to how do I get sales to get optimized? How do I get them leads to generate? So I think that’s an important thing to consider, is you’ve got this thing where you’ve got, Hey, I’m looking for the long term health of the community, but the bigger the community I have, the bigger pie that sales, eventually people will come in.”
\n\n[00:02:51] Matt tell us what Percona is and what he does there. He also tells us what his day-to-day looks like.
\n\n[00:05:45] Since Matt’s community seems to be very diverse and spreads across a lot of platforms creating a lot of content, he talks about where all his community facets are how they tie into and generate a lot of the content that supports here in community.
\n\n[00:09:25] Georg asks Matt if he looks at the health of these communities that they are a part of or what does he look at.
\n\n[00:14:20] Matt talks about the laws that have been enacted recently and how people have become data hoarders.
\n\n[00:16:40] We learn about most applications having the consent now on the internet, and Matt talks about schemas and how it’s like an anti-developer thing.
\n\n[00:21:51] Georg brings up in the CHAOSS project and how they are crafting data policy or privacy policy for their open source project because the idea that we work in the open, the data is available, but some people don’t want them to analyze it even though it’s out there. Georg asks Matt if he has any ideas on this.
\n\n[00:24:39] Don asks Matt if he finds himself taking private discussions and then going through the work of sanitizing them to the point where they can be shared with the community as a public content resource.
\n\n[00:26:28] Venia wonders if Matt has a specific policy or data destruction point for their support tickets. Matt talks about having to implement different encryption schemes.
\n\n[00:28:44] Matt shares his thoughts on open source licenses around databases. He mentions a talk he did at FOSDEM recently on “The Death of Openness and Freedom.”
\n\n[00:35:55] Venia talks about metrics and putting together a dashboard for your community, and then asks Matt if he would say a lot of this could be cut off if you were to look at Metrics A rising and Metrics B lowering in proportion.
\n\n[00:39:42] From the point of view of a developer who’s starting a new project, Don wonders how to balance the data base option against the option of running an open source database and managing it yourself. Matt explains database service being both a good thing and a bad thing all at the same time.
\n\n[00:43:09] Matt tells us where we can find him online and more about his talks, blog, and podcast.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nMatt Yonkovit Twitter
\nMatt Yonkovit Linkedin
\nThe HOSS Talks FOSS Podcast-YouTube
\nPercona Blog
\nFOSDEM ’21- “The Death of Openness and Freedom? Open Source Under Attack” with Matt Yonkovit-FOSDEM
\nFOSDEM ’21- “The Death of Openness and Freedom? Open Source Under Attack” with Matt Yonkovit-YouTube
\nSCALE 19x-Southern California Linux Expo
\nVirtual Teams That Work-Creating Conditions For Virtual Team Effectiveness
\nPi-hole
Special Guest: Matt Yonkovit.
","summary":"\r\nHello and welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast. Today, we have an awesome guest with us, Matt Yonkovit, who is serving as Percona’s Head of Open Source Strategy (the HOSS), which does open source database software tooling. He also does a podcast called, “The HOSS Talks FOSS.” Matt tells us what Percona is and what he does there. We also learn what Percona wants to look at, then the stuff they can look at, and the value of privacy. He talks about the laws that have been enacted recently, being schema-less doesn’t really work, dealing with performance issues, implementing encryption schemes, and a talk he did at FOSDEM ’21 on “The Death of Openness and Freedom.” Download this episode to find out much more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2021-03-12T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/79e508ad-ca6e-4c9b-af1a-90a396ac4279.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":69475486,"duration_in_seconds":2894}]},{"id":"e67817f9-2dc4-4df8-9e77-a1aa35dc9746","title":"Episode 29: Supporting Teams to Make Data-Driven Decisions with Stefka Dimitrova and Ivana Atanasova","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/29","content_text":"Panelists\n\nKate Stewart | Matt Germonprez | Georg Link\n\nGuests\n\nStefka Dimitrova\nIvana Atanasova\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS \n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:17] Stefka and Ivana tell us about themselves and what they do at VMware.\n\n[00:04:01] We learn more about what Stefka and Ivana talked about at the presentation at the OSS Europe 2020 with the metrics, why they did the analytics on open source communities, and what goals they had in mind.\n\n[00:06:39] Stefka talks more about identifying reasons why a project fails, what she’s observed, and what it means to her that a project fails. \n\n[00:10:01] Kate asks Stefka how long it takes before she actually considers a project to be inactive and what threshold she was using. Ivana tells us if they are measuring adoption and how much information they find using their analysis.\n\n[00:14:00] Georg mentions LFX Insights that Linux Foundation launched, and how they’re planning to include Twitter chatter to see whether projects are being mentioned. He wonders if Ivana would be interested in using this in their analysis. \n\n[00:16:31] Kate wonders how often Stefka goes back and re-examines and checkpoints her list of projects that she thinks are worth working with. \n\n[00:19:22] Stefka tells us how many metrics they keep standard for all the projects and about the dependencies.\n\n[00:22:24] Matt asks Stefka and Ivana to talk about the internal organizational process and the reception within VMware.\n\n[00:29:06] Since Ivana uses Augur and contributes to the CHAOSS Project Augur, she shares with us how she came to the project and how the journey has been for her.\n\n[00:33:51] Ivana and Stefka talk about examples of the types of improvements they would like to be seeing showing up in Augur.\n\n[00:38:48] Stefka and Ivana tell us where you can connect with them and follow the progress of their work online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:39:48] Georg’s pick is Linux Foundation’s LFX Insights.\n [00:40:44] Kate’s pick is an LCA talk she watched called, “The Privacy Tax” by Dawn E. Collett.\n [00:41:17] Matt’s pick is he’s into baking right now. \n [00:41:52] Stefka’s pick is a quote that has been with her for the past couple of days by Brene Brown, “There is no innovation and creativity without failure,” and having the freedom to experiment.\n [00:42:43] Ivana’s pick is focusing on side things you do to shape your way of thinking and helps you in other areas, including professionally. \n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nStefka Dimitrova Linkedin\nIvana Atanasova Linkedin\nOpen Source Summit Europe 2020 presentation slides: “If you can’t measure it, you can’t manage it”- how to assess project health, by Ivana Atanasova and Stefka Dimitrova\nThe Linux Foundation- LFX Insights\nLinuxConfAU Online 2021- “The Privacy Tax: How tracking and hacking affect disabled people, and what we can do about it,” by Dawn E. Collett.\nAugur Project-GitHub\nVMware Open Source BlogSpecial Guests: Ivana Atanasova and Stefka Dimitrova.","content_html":"Kate Stewart | Matt Germonprez | Georg Link
\n\nStefka Dimitrova
\nIvana Atanasova
[00:02:17] Stefka and Ivana tell us about themselves and what they do at VMware.
\n\n[00:04:01] We learn more about what Stefka and Ivana talked about at the presentation at the OSS Europe 2020 with the metrics, why they did the analytics on open source communities, and what goals they had in mind.
\n\n[00:06:39] Stefka talks more about identifying reasons why a project fails, what she’s observed, and what it means to her that a project fails.
\n\n[00:10:01] Kate asks Stefka how long it takes before she actually considers a project to be inactive and what threshold she was using. Ivana tells us if they are measuring adoption and how much information they find using their analysis.
\n\n[00:14:00] Georg mentions LFX Insights that Linux Foundation launched, and how they’re planning to include Twitter chatter to see whether projects are being mentioned. He wonders if Ivana would be interested in using this in their analysis.
\n\n[00:16:31] Kate wonders how often Stefka goes back and re-examines and checkpoints her list of projects that she thinks are worth working with.
\n\n[00:19:22] Stefka tells us how many metrics they keep standard for all the projects and about the dependencies.
\n\n[00:22:24] Matt asks Stefka and Ivana to talk about the internal organizational process and the reception within VMware.
\n\n[00:29:06] Since Ivana uses Augur and contributes to the CHAOSS Project Augur, she shares with us how she came to the project and how the journey has been for her.
\n\n[00:33:51] Ivana and Stefka talk about examples of the types of improvements they would like to be seeing showing up in Augur.
\n\n[00:38:48] Stefka and Ivana tell us where you can connect with them and follow the progress of their work online.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nStefka Dimitrova Linkedin
\nIvana Atanasova Linkedin
\nOpen Source Summit Europe 2020 presentation slides: “If you can’t measure it, you can’t manage it”- how to assess project health, by Ivana Atanasova and Stefka Dimitrova
\nThe Linux Foundation- LFX Insights
\nLinuxConfAU Online 2021- “The Privacy Tax: How tracking and hacking affect disabled people, and what we can do about it,” by Dawn E. Collett.
\nAugur Project-GitHub
\nVMware Open Source Blog
Special Guests: Ivana Atanasova and Stefka Dimitrova.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, we have two guests who work at VMware’s Open Source Program Office, Stefka Dimitrova and Ivana Atanasova. Stefka is the Senior Open Source Program Manager and Ivana is an Open Source Engineer. They did a presentation at the Open Source Summit Europe 2020 about some analytics they did on open source communities and metrics, so we invited them to join us to talk about it. We also learn how they used the CHAOSS project’s Augur tool to help them with their project and how the journey has been for them. Download this episode now to find out more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2021-02-26T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/e67817f9-2dc4-4df8-9e77-a1aa35dc9746.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":64010506,"duration_in_seconds":2667}]},{"id":"2ec84214-f9d0-4aed-b1a8-206b4800d7f0","title":"Episode 28: Human-Centric Operations and Metrics with Sophia Vargas","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/28","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Dawn Foster | Daniel Izquierdo\n\nGuest\n\nSophia Vargas\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS \n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:12] Sophia tells us about what she does at Google and her journey to getting where she is right now.\n\n[00:06:15] We learn what Sophia does within the Open Source Programs Office. \n\n[00:08:33] Dawn asks Sophia how she looks at the life cycle of these open source projects in aggregate because it’s such a huge amount of projects. \n\n[00:11:06] Georg is curious to know Google’s approach to differentiate and generalize projects and the dynamics within the projects and Sophia tells us what they do for teams to learn more about their own projects.\n\n[00:16:27] Daniel wants to know what Sophia learned from FOSDEM as the first steps in the OSPO movement.\n\n[00:18:42] Since Sophia came from analyzing technology projects at Forrester, to now analyzing open-source projects, Dawn wonders what was different and what was the same about those two experiences. \n\n[00:23:48] We learn how coming to CHAOSS informed Sophia’s work and where she hopes CHAOSS will go as a project in the future.\n\n[00:28:57] Daniel asks Sophia if there’s any specific area that she is missing in CHAOSS that she would like to start working on, and she shares something. Also, Daniel talks about a survey done with ASF.\n\n[00:35:01] Sophia tells us where you can follow her work and connect with her online. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:35:55] Georg’s pick is a game called Jackbox.TV.\n [00:36:55] Dawn’s pick is Tabletop Simulator and two fun games, Munchkin and Gloomhaven.\n [00:38:08] Daniel’s picks are the board game Pandemic and discovering Pilates.\n [00:39:00] Sophia’s picks are learning how to cook again and the Farmers’ Market.\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nSophia Vargas Twitter\nSophia Vargas Linkedin\nGoogle Open Source\nJackbox.TV\nTabletop Simulator\nGloomhaven\nMunchkin: Quacked Quest\nPandemic Board Game\nPilates\nFarmers’ Market\nApache Software Foundation (ASF)","content_html":"Georg Link | Dawn Foster | Daniel Izquierdo
\n\n[00:02:12] Sophia tells us about what she does at Google and her journey to getting where she is right now.
\n\n[00:06:15] We learn what Sophia does within the Open Source Programs Office.
\n\n[00:08:33] Dawn asks Sophia how she looks at the life cycle of these open source projects in aggregate because it’s such a huge amount of projects.
\n\n[00:11:06] Georg is curious to know Google’s approach to differentiate and generalize projects and the dynamics within the projects and Sophia tells us what they do for teams to learn more about their own projects.
\n\n[00:16:27] Daniel wants to know what Sophia learned from FOSDEM as the first steps in the OSPO movement.
\n\n[00:18:42] Since Sophia came from analyzing technology projects at Forrester, to now analyzing open-source projects, Dawn wonders what was different and what was the same about those two experiences.
\n\n[00:23:48] We learn how coming to CHAOSS informed Sophia’s work and where she hopes CHAOSS will go as a project in the future.
\n\n[00:28:57] Daniel asks Sophia if there’s any specific area that she is missing in CHAOSS that she would like to start working on, and she shares something. Also, Daniel talks about a survey done with ASF.
\n\n[00:35:01] Sophia tells us where you can follow her work and connect with her online.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nSophia Vargas Twitter
\nSophia Vargas Linkedin
\nGoogle Open Source
\nJackbox.TV
\nTabletop Simulator
\nGloomhaven
\nMunchkin: Quacked Quest
\nPandemic Board Game
\nPilates
\nFarmers’ Market
\nApache Software Foundation (ASF)
Georg Link | Matt Snell | Aastha Bist
\n\n[00:02:15] Xiaoya introduces herself, how she came to CHAOSS, what it was like to apply to the Google Season of Docs, and why she chose this project.
\n\n[00:04:26] Matt and Aastha tell us what the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program is about and what the status was before Xiaoya started her project.
\n\n[00:08:50] Xiaoya tells us her experience coming into this project and deciding what the final outcome will look like.
\n\n[00:10:30] Xiaoya shares with us some of the trials and tribulations and how she overcame any challenges.
\n\n[00:12:19] Aastha asks Xiaoya how she’s going forward with this project and what her future plans are. She also tells us if she would do it again and if she would recommend other technical writers to the project.
\n\n[00:19:49] Jaskirat introduces himself and tells us his background. He also tells us what it was about the CHAOSS project specifically that connected with your past experiences.
\n\n[00:23:01] Jaskirat tells us all about his project.
\n\n[00:26:51] We learn how Jaskirat got started with the project application process.
\n\n[00:30:53] We find out how Jaskirat’s project evolved from the starting point to the completion. He also tells us about the Community Handbook and what his next steps are going forward.
\n\n[00:33:30] Jaskirat tells us where we can find him online to connect with him.
\n\nCHAOSS Project
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nCHAOSS for Google Summer of Docs 2020
\nXiaoya Xia Twitter
\nXiaoya Xia Linkedin
\nJaskirat Singh Twitter
\nJaskirat Singh Linkedin
\n“How my big mistake led me to success in open source,” by Jaskirat Singh
\nWASD Keyboards
\nCHAOSS Community Handbook-Table of Contents
\nCHAOSS Community Handbook-Table of Contents-GitHub
\nTHE ORVILLE
\nYou Can Draw in 30 Days: The Fun, Easy Way to Learn to Draw in One Month or Less by Mark Kistler
\nCHAOSS Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program
Special Guests: Aastha Bist, Jaskirat Singh, Matt Snell, and Xiaoya Xia.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! On today’s episode, we are highlighting the work that was done by technical writers through the Google Season of Docs 2020 Program. We had two technical writers working with the CHAOSS project, so we split this episode in two parts so we can speak in depth with each one of them. In the first part we will speak with Xiaoya and in the second part we will speak to Jaskirat. Xiaoya worked on documentation for our Diversity & Inclusion Badging initiative, and Jaskirat worked on completely building out our CHAOSS Community Handbook. We learn all about their projects, the application process, their experiences, and what their future plans are. Download this episode now to find out more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.","date_published":"2021-01-29T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/815c5c22-40a3-4d68-8b57-b099a2494593.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":71862074,"duration_in_seconds":2245}]},{"id":"fd3d0394-9d34-4b39-8ee1-0ef8a9f69f83","title":"Episode 26: SustainOSS and CHAOSS","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/26","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Venia Logan | Brian Proffitt | Richard Littauer | Pia Mancini\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS \n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:03:54] Richard wants to know if metrics lose some of the qualitative aspects of communities and of projects by trying to find quantitative things and how are they not stripping away what really is the heart of open source.\n\n[00:09:20] Pia wonders what are the most important qualitative metrics CHAOSS is evaluating. Georg tells us how they established the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program (D&I Badging) at CHAOSS.\n\n[00:14:48] Richard wonders if they’ve found a lot of uptake for the badges and if people have started using them.\n\n[00:15:29] Georg tells us how people can get involved besides joining the working group. He explains three main areas that CHAOSS has to get involved.\n\n[00:20:23] Pia tells us what Sustain is, how it started, and what they do. \n\n[00:23:29] Venia talks about the concept of what a company, organization, or community is to people, and how they want to see something happen, so they ask for more structure. Pia tells us about Open Collective.\n\n[00:27:36] Pia brings up doing the first Sustain and the first insights they wrote from the meeting about maintainers.\n\n[00:29:57] Venia talks about her consultation services and how she works with other companies to produce community strategies. Georg tells us what he thinks works well for the Sustain community and what brought him in.\n\n[00:32:41] Richard gives praises to Gunner and Pia for all the work they’ve done with Sustain, and Pia shares with us about having concerns the first time they did an event with a lot of people.\n\n[00:34:49] Georg tells where you can get involved in the CHAOSS community and Richard tells us where you can get involved in the Sustain community.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:36:33] Georg’s pick is an open source project called the Toolkit for YNAB.\n [00:37:36] Venia’s pick is Scribus.\n [00:38:49] Pia’s pick is Open Prioritization by Igalia.\n [00:39:42] Brian’s pick is reMarkable 2.\n [00:41:40] Richard’s pick is the Audubon Christmas Bird Count.\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\nCHAOSScast Podcast\nCHAOSS News\nCHAOSS Software\nCHAOSS D&I Badging Program\nCHAOSS-How to Participate\nSustainOSS\nSustainOSS Discourse\nSustain Working Groups\nFOSS Backstage\nToolkit for YNAB-GitHub\nScribus\nOpen Prioritization by Igalia\nreMarkable 2\nAudobon Christmas Bird Count\nAudobon Christmas Bird Count Map of Active Circles\nBirding in VermontSpecial Guests: Pia Mancini and Richard Littauer.","content_html":"Georg Link | Venia Logan | Brian Proffitt | Richard Littauer | Pia Mancini
\n\n[00:03:54] Richard wants to know if metrics lose some of the qualitative aspects of communities and of projects by trying to find quantitative things and how are they not stripping away what really is the heart of open source.
\n\n[00:09:20] Pia wonders what are the most important qualitative metrics CHAOSS is evaluating. Georg tells us how they established the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program (D&I Badging) at CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:14:48] Richard wonders if they’ve found a lot of uptake for the badges and if people have started using them.
\n\n[00:15:29] Georg tells us how people can get involved besides joining the working group. He explains three main areas that CHAOSS has to get involved.
\n\n[00:20:23] Pia tells us what Sustain is, how it started, and what they do.
\n\n[00:23:29] Venia talks about the concept of what a company, organization, or community is to people, and how they want to see something happen, so they ask for more structure. Pia tells us about Open Collective.
\n\n[00:27:36] Pia brings up doing the first Sustain and the first insights they wrote from the meeting about maintainers.
\n\n[00:29:57] Venia talks about her consultation services and how she works with other companies to produce community strategies. Georg tells us what he thinks works well for the Sustain community and what brought him in.
\n\n[00:32:41] Richard gives praises to Gunner and Pia for all the work they’ve done with Sustain, and Pia shares with us about having concerns the first time they did an event with a lot of people.
\n\n[00:34:49] Georg tells where you can get involved in the CHAOSS community and Richard tells us where you can get involved in the Sustain community.
\n\nCHAOSS
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\nCHAOSS News
\nCHAOSS Software
\nCHAOSS D&I Badging Program
\nCHAOSS-How to Participate
\nSustainOSS
\nSustainOSS Discourse
\nSustain Working Groups
\nFOSS Backstage
\nToolkit for YNAB-GitHub
\nScribus
\nOpen Prioritization by Igalia
\nreMarkable 2
\nAudobon Christmas Bird Count
\nAudobon Christmas Bird Count Map of Active Circles
\nBirding in Vermont
Special Guests: Pia Mancini and Richard Littauer.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, our episode is a shared podcast between CHOASScast and Sustain. Along with Georg, Venia, and Brian, we have Richard Littauer and Pia Mancini from Sustain. We had the idea to do this special episode because there’s a lot of work happening on sustaining software and understanding the health of our community, and CHAOSS focuses on what open source development is, how it works, what communities are, and how you can find metrics to figure out how something is. So, we will learn about the metrics, the Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program, and the three areas that CHAOSS has to get involved in. Also, we learn about Sustain, how it started, what they do, and what Georg says works well for the Sustain community that brought him in. Also, find out where you can get involved in both the CHAOSS community and Sustain community. Download this episode now to find out more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2021-01-15T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/fd3d0394-9d34-4b39-8ee1-0ef8a9f69f83.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":62716950,"duration_in_seconds":2613}]},{"id":"a77b2b70-d998-460c-aba6-985137c7578d","title":"Episode 25: GSOC: GitLab Data with Abhinav","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/25","content_text":"Show Notes\n\n[00:01:34] Abhinav gives us an introduction of himself and what he did at Google Summer of Code 2020. He tells us what it was like applying to the program, his experience throughout the process, discovering CHAOSS, and deciding on this project. \n\n[00:03:31] Abhinav talks about working with Gitlab Data and the new feature he developed. Sean explains the merge request and the work Abhinav did with Augur.\n\n[00:05:34] Sean and Abhinav describes how the pull request/merge request portion of how it’s set up and how much he was able to reuse or change it to implement the merge requests.\n\n[00:06:57] We learn the most challenging part about reimplementing the architecture for the GitLab API and how he overcame it.\n\n[00:08:28] Georg wonders once the data was there if Abhinav was able to use the same visualizations that he uses for pull requests or were there changes that he also had to do in the presentation of the data.\n\n[00:10:25] Abhinav tells us how his experience was, how he worked with the mentors in the community, and how his learning experience was enhanced or encumbered by having peers on the Google Summer of Code.\n\n[00:14:06] Abhinav explains what his experience has been like coming into an open source community. \n\n[00:14:56] Since Google of Summer Code is done, Abhinav shares with us his plans for the future and where his journey is taking him now.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:18:07] Georg’s picks are Minecraft and Minecraft Earth.\n [00:20:06] Sean’s picks are electricity and rubber flooring.\n [00:20:48] Abhinav’s pick is to play the game “Among Us” with friends.\n\n\nPanelists\n\nGeorg Link | Sean Goggins\n\nGuest\n\nAbhinav Bajpai\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS \n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS Project\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\npodcast@chaoss.community\nAbhinav Bajpai Linkedin\nGoogle Summer of Code 2020-Abhinav Bajpai Work Product\nAbhinav Bajpai Blog Posts (Medium)\nAugur\nGoogle Summer of Code\nMinecraft\nMinecraft Earth\nRubber Flooring\nAmong UsSpecial Guest: Abhinav Bajpai.","content_html":"[00:01:34] Abhinav gives us an introduction of himself and what he did at Google Summer of Code 2020. He tells us what it was like applying to the program, his experience throughout the process, discovering CHAOSS, and deciding on this project.
\n\n[00:03:31] Abhinav talks about working with Gitlab Data and the new feature he developed. Sean explains the merge request and the work Abhinav did with Augur.
\n\n[00:05:34] Sean and Abhinav describes how the pull request/merge request portion of how it’s set up and how much he was able to reuse or change it to implement the merge requests.
\n\n[00:06:57] We learn the most challenging part about reimplementing the architecture for the GitLab API and how he overcame it.
\n\n[00:08:28] Georg wonders once the data was there if Abhinav was able to use the same visualizations that he uses for pull requests or were there changes that he also had to do in the presentation of the data.
\n\n[00:10:25] Abhinav tells us how his experience was, how he worked with the mentors in the community, and how his learning experience was enhanced or encumbered by having peers on the Google Summer of Code.
\n\n[00:14:06] Abhinav explains what his experience has been like coming into an open source community.
\n\n[00:14:56] Since Google of Summer Code is done, Abhinav shares with us his plans for the future and where his journey is taking him now.
\n\nGeorg Link | Sean Goggins
\n\nCHAOSS Project
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\npodcast@chaoss.community
\nAbhinav Bajpai Linkedin
\nGoogle Summer of Code 2020-Abhinav Bajpai Work Product
\nAbhinav Bajpai Blog Posts (Medium)
\nAugur
\nGoogle Summer of Code
\nMinecraft
\nMinecraft Earth
\nRubber Flooring
\nAmong Us
Special Guest: Abhinav Bajpai.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! On today’s episode, we are highlighting some Google Summer of Code 2020 work. We have brought in Abhinav Bajpai, who worked on Sean’s team on the Augur project. Abhinav tells us what he did at the Google Summer of Code 2020 and his total experience, from applying to the program, discovering CHAOSS, and deciding on his project. We learn about his work with GitLab Data, the new feature he developed, and the work he did with Augur. Also, we find out the most challenging part, how he overcame it, and how his experience was working with the mentors in the community. Since Google Summer of Code is over, Abhinav shares with us his plans for the future and where his journey is taking him. Download this episode now to find out more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2020-12-18T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/a77b2b70-d998-460c-aba6-985137c7578d.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":43187998,"duration_in_seconds":1349}]},{"id":"e3f6cb29-5fbb-4005-91a4-722f45ac250f","title":"Episode 24: Starting a Metrics Company with Luis Cañas-Díaz","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/24","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Andrea Gallo\n\nGuest\n\nLuis Cañas-Díaz\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS \n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:20] Luis tells us all about himself, what he’s doing now, and how things evolved for him to get to this point. \n\n[00:06:25] Andrea wonders when Luis started the company if he followed those kind of management books of starting the company for dummies where first you need a mission or vision.\n\n[00:08:20] Andrea said some people say that maybe data is the new oil, or maybe it’s the way you use the data, or the metrics can be the new oil, and Luis responds.\n\n[00:11:22] Georg talks about starting CHAOSS three years ago, and how happy he was that Bitergia was one of the Co-Founders bringing in all of this experience. He also tells us about a new thing on the CHAOSS website under “Initiatives” where you can find community reports on the some of the metrics they have been defining. Luis talks about this report too.\n\n[00:13:58] Andrea wonders how many metrics Luis has available and if he has any common ones he recommends starting with. Georg wonders how does Luis identify contributors in open source and their organizational affiliation?\n\n[00:16:50] With Luis’s long history of working with metrics and users of open source metrics, Georg wonders if there are any do’s and don’ts or anything that he would take away from this experience and say to someone who is doing this work that here are some pitfalls that you need to be aware of.\n\n[00:19:28] Andrea talks about one of his favorite metrics, which is the geography one, Luis’s is the elephant factor, and Georg talks about the elephant factor.\n\n[00:23:45] Georg tells us why he enjoys the diversity and inclusion metrics and the value metrics, and why they are so important to him.\n\n[00:26:29] Luis tells us if he has a metric that is the most controversial or the most difficult to use.\n\n[00:29:04] Find out where you can learn more about Luis’s work and where you can find him online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:30:09] Andrea’s picks are Queen Crest Logo (Freddie Mercury’s design} and the book, Queen All the Songs: The Story Behind Every Track by Benoît Clerc.\n [00:31:08] Georg’s pick is his growing family and finally feeling complete.\n [00:31:29] Luis’s picks are a book called Persepolis _by Marjane Satrapi _and a video game called “Detroit: Become Human.”\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS Project\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\nLuis Cañas-Díaz Twitter\nLibre Software People’s Front-Luis Cañas-Díaz Blog\nThe Tyranny of Metrics by Jerry Z. Muller\nCommunity Health Report Request-CHAOSS\nCHAOSScast podcast-Episode 9-“In Defense of Vanity Metrics”\nQueen Crest logo\nQueen All the Songs: The Story Behind Every Track by Benoît Clerc\nPersepolis\nThe Complete Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi\nDetroit: Become Human\nDetroit: Become Human-PlaystationSpecial Guest: Luis Cañas-Díaz.","content_html":"Georg Link | Andrea Gallo
\n\n[00:02:20] Luis tells us all about himself, what he’s doing now, and how things evolved for him to get to this point.
\n\n[00:06:25] Andrea wonders when Luis started the company if he followed those kind of management books of starting the company for dummies where first you need a mission or vision.
\n\n[00:08:20] Andrea said some people say that maybe data is the new oil, or maybe it’s the way you use the data, or the metrics can be the new oil, and Luis responds.
\n\n[00:11:22] Georg talks about starting CHAOSS three years ago, and how happy he was that Bitergia was one of the Co-Founders bringing in all of this experience. He also tells us about a new thing on the CHAOSS website under “Initiatives” where you can find community reports on the some of the metrics they have been defining. Luis talks about this report too.
\n\n[00:13:58] Andrea wonders how many metrics Luis has available and if he has any common ones he recommends starting with. Georg wonders how does Luis identify contributors in open source and their organizational affiliation?
\n\n[00:16:50] With Luis’s long history of working with metrics and users of open source metrics, Georg wonders if there are any do’s and don’ts or anything that he would take away from this experience and say to someone who is doing this work that here are some pitfalls that you need to be aware of.
\n\n[00:19:28] Andrea talks about one of his favorite metrics, which is the geography one, Luis’s is the elephant factor, and Georg talks about the elephant factor.
\n\n[00:23:45] Georg tells us why he enjoys the diversity and inclusion metrics and the value metrics, and why they are so important to him.
\n\n[00:26:29] Luis tells us if he has a metric that is the most controversial or the most difficult to use.
\n\n[00:29:04] Find out where you can learn more about Luis’s work and where you can find him online.
\n\nCHAOSS Project
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\nLuis Cañas-Díaz Twitter
\nLibre Software People’s Front-Luis Cañas-Díaz Blog
\nThe Tyranny of Metrics by Jerry Z. Muller
\nCommunity Health Report Request-CHAOSS
\nCHAOSScast podcast-Episode 9-“In Defense of Vanity Metrics”
\nQueen Crest logo
\nQueen All the Songs: The Story Behind Every Track by Benoît Clerc
\nPersepolis
\nThe Complete Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi
\nDetroit: Become Human
\nDetroit: Become Human-Playstation
Special Guest: Luis Cañas-Díaz.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, our special guest is Luis Cańas-Díaz, who Co-Founded Bitergia, in 2012. He also designed the logo for this podcast after winning a contest through the CHAOSS mailing list. We will learn all about how Luis started Bitergia, which specializes in providing information and metrics from libre software projects, and he tells us what he’s currently doing there. We find out the favorite metrics of Luis and Andrea and Georg explains why the diversity and inclusion metrics and the value metrics are so important to him. Also, something new on the CHAOSS website under “Initiatives,” where you can request community reports for your own community on some of the metrics. Download this episode now to find out more! Don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share this podcast with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2020-12-04T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/e3f6cb29-5fbb-4005-91a4-722f45ac250f.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":63997033,"duration_in_seconds":1999}]},{"id":"3b83ac8a-a6c6-4f05-88ea-8cb40287e6fe","title":"Episode 23: GSOC & Outreachy: D&I Efforts - Aastha and Tola","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/23","content_text":"Panelists\n\nVenia Logan | Matt Snell | Saleh Abdel Motaal\n\nGuests\n\nAastha Bist\nTola Ore-Aruwaji\n\nShownotes\n\n[00:03:04] Aastha and Tola introduce themselves and talk about their projects.\n\n[00:05:21] Aastha and Tola tells us about their coding backgrounds and what interested them in their specific projects.\n\n[00:07:35] Aastha talks about the initial idea of her project and how it affects the CHAOSS metrics in the end. Tola tells us the idea of his project since it went in a different direction and how it came back around to metrics.\n\n[00:13:58] Saleh brings up how important it is to bring in the idea diversity and inclusion and how CHAOSS has managed to make a more inclusive open source body.\n\n[00:15:22] Aastha tells us how the idea for her project evolved from the start of Google Summer of Code, to the project end, and beyond.\n\n[00:21:03] Tola tells us about how his project got started.\n\n[00:26:59] Saleh touches on some of the common pains of developers.\n\n[00:29:34] Tola explains to us about the success with the translation process.\n\n[00:30:32] Venia asks Aastha and Tola what they enjoyed most about working on their projects and what the highlights were, and they explain.\n\n[00:34:51] Aastha and Tola tells us where the projects stand, how people can get involved, and what’s next.\n\n[00:39:38] Matt wants to know what Aastha and Tola’s next steps from here on out, with their projects and professional lives.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:43:16] Venia’s pick is ‘People Powered’ Book Club by Jono Bacon or any virtual book clubs around your local area.\n [00:43:57] Matt’s pick is a used amp for an old guitar-VOX Night Train.\n [00:44:28] Saleh’s pick is “Reflecting on My Autistic Self,” (Unlisted Medium Draft}\n [00:46:26] Aastha’s pick is conversations with my granddad.\n [00:47:52] Tola’s pick is protests in Nigeria- #EndSARS.\n\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS \n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS Project\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nCHAOSScast Podcast\nCHAOSS Community Project Launch: CHAOSS Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program By Matt Snell\nCHAOSS Overview of the D&I Badging\nAastha Bist Blog\nAastha Bist Twitter\nAastha Bist Linkedin\nTola Ore-Aruwaji Twitter\nTola Ore-Aruwaji Blog\nTola Ore-Aruwaji Linkedin\nAastha Bist GSoC 2020 final work report-CHAOSS Badging Project\nTola Ore-Aruwaji-My Outreachy Project-Crowdsourcing Translation for CHAOSS Diversity & Inclusion Badging\nJono Bacon People Powered Book Club\nVOX Night Train \n“Reflecting on My Autistic Self,” by Saleh Abdel Motaal\nBBC News-“SARS ban: Nigeria abolishes loathed federal special police unit”\nGoogle Summer of Code\nCHAOSS Mentorship Alumi (list of Mentees and their projects)Special Guests: Aastha Bist, Matt Snell, Saleh Abdel Motaal, and Tola Ore-Aruwaji.","content_html":"Venia Logan | Matt Snell | Saleh Abdel Motaal
\n\n[00:03:04] Aastha and Tola introduce themselves and talk about their projects.
\n\n[00:05:21] Aastha and Tola tells us about their coding backgrounds and what interested them in their specific projects.
\n\n[00:07:35] Aastha talks about the initial idea of her project and how it affects the CHAOSS metrics in the end. Tola tells us the idea of his project since it went in a different direction and how it came back around to metrics.
\n\n[00:13:58] Saleh brings up how important it is to bring in the idea diversity and inclusion and how CHAOSS has managed to make a more inclusive open source body.
\n\n[00:15:22] Aastha tells us how the idea for her project evolved from the start of Google Summer of Code, to the project end, and beyond.
\n\n[00:21:03] Tola tells us about how his project got started.
\n\n[00:26:59] Saleh touches on some of the common pains of developers.
\n\n[00:29:34] Tola explains to us about the success with the translation process.
\n\n[00:30:32] Venia asks Aastha and Tola what they enjoyed most about working on their projects and what the highlights were, and they explain.
\n\n[00:34:51] Aastha and Tola tells us where the projects stand, how people can get involved, and what’s next.
\n\n[00:39:38] Matt wants to know what Aastha and Tola’s next steps from here on out, with their projects and professional lives.
\n\nCHAOSS Project
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nCHAOSScast Podcast
\nCHAOSS Community Project Launch: CHAOSS Diversity & Inclusion Badging Program By Matt Snell
\nCHAOSS Overview of the D&I Badging
\nAastha Bist Blog
\nAastha Bist Twitter
\nAastha Bist Linkedin
\nTola Ore-Aruwaji Twitter
\nTola Ore-Aruwaji Blog
\nTola Ore-Aruwaji Linkedin
\nAastha Bist GSoC 2020 final work report-CHAOSS Badging Project
\nTola Ore-Aruwaji-My Outreachy Project-Crowdsourcing Translation for CHAOSS Diversity & Inclusion Badging
\nJono Bacon People Powered Book Club
\nVOX Night Train
\n“Reflecting on My Autistic Self,” by Saleh Abdel Motaal
\nBBC News-“SARS ban: Nigeria abolishes loathed federal special police unit”
\nGoogle Summer of Code
\nCHAOSS Mentorship Alumi (list of Mentees and their projects)
Special Guests: Aastha Bist, Matt Snell, Saleh Abdel Motaal, and Tola Ore-Aruwaji.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, we are continuing with our Google Summer of Code series and we have two participants as our guests, Aastha Bist and Tola Ore-Aruwaji, as well as their mentors, Matt Snell and Saleh Abdel Motaal. We learn all about Aastha and Tola’s projects that they worked on and what interested them in their specific projects. They will explain to us about the initial idea of their projects, how they affect the CHAOSS metrics, what they enjoyed most about working on their projects, the highlights, where their projects stand, and what their next steps are with the projects and their professional lives. Also, if you want to learn more about the CHAOSS Diversity and Inclusion Badging Program you can find out more about it here. Download this episode now to find out more! Don’t forget to share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.","date_published":"2020-11-20T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/3b83ac8a-a6c6-4f05-88ea-8cb40287e6fe.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":73093766,"duration_in_seconds":3045}]},{"id":"3aaa40f2-e66d-4d01-aa28-7f169c4bc3ec","title":"Episode 22: University OSPO Metrics with Stephen Jacobs","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/22","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Brian Proffitt | Matt Germonprez\n\nGuest\n\nStephen Jacobs\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:03:18] Stephen tells us his background and how he got his start.\n\n[00:08:00] From his early experiences with One Laptop per Child, Stephen tells us some things that are still relevant today with the work he’s doing around open source and the connection between where he started and where he’s at today.\n\n[00:10:23] Brian asks Stephen if he has some immediate goals for the open source academic program that he’s continuing at RIT. \n\n[00:16:02] Matt wants to know if Stephen counsels people through the process of picking the right candidate for open source. Stephen also talks about modifying the IP policy or creating an IP policy dedicated to open source.\n\n[00:23:40] Talking about metrics now, there is a discussion about some challenges to overcome in metrics and the impact that the work in the open in software and other types of open has.\n\n[00:26:04] On the idea of a healthy community, Brian asks Stephen how he is addressing the challenges with working in an academic environment with students who are rotating every four to six years and accepting student contributions.\n\n[00:32:50] Stephen shares a story about his students working on an open project on a video chat program for One Laptop per Child, focusing on the needs of a deaf user.\n\n[00:34:52] Georg is curious if Stephen has thoughts on how we can show impact in what kind of metrics we might be able to develop to show that we are doing good things in the maintenance of work that is not originally our own. Stephen mentions a community of professors called, Teaching Open Source.\n\n[00:39:43] Stephen tells us where to find him online.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:37:00] Georg’s pick is a Crockpot.\n [00:37:16] Brian’s pick is being cognizant of your time since it’s the most valuable resource that you have.\n [00:38:07] Stephen’s pick is to be able to walk on his treadmill for sanity and physical health.\n [00:38:56] Matt’s pick is a shout out to the Omaha Humane Society who helped him find his lost puppy.\n\n\nSponsor\n\nSustainOSS \n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS Project\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nRochester Institute of Technology-Open@RIT\nStephen Jacobs\nOne Laptop per Child\nTeachingOpenSource\nCrockpot\nNebraska Humane SocietySpecial Guest: Stephen Jacobs.","content_html":"Georg Link | Brian Proffitt | Matt Germonprez
\n\n[00:03:18] Stephen tells us his background and how he got his start.
\n\n[00:08:00] From his early experiences with One Laptop per Child, Stephen tells us some things that are still relevant today with the work he’s doing around open source and the connection between where he started and where he’s at today.
\n\n[00:10:23] Brian asks Stephen if he has some immediate goals for the open source academic program that he’s continuing at RIT.
\n\n[00:16:02] Matt wants to know if Stephen counsels people through the process of picking the right candidate for open source. Stephen also talks about modifying the IP policy or creating an IP policy dedicated to open source.
\n\n[00:23:40] Talking about metrics now, there is a discussion about some challenges to overcome in metrics and the impact that the work in the open in software and other types of open has.
\n\n[00:26:04] On the idea of a healthy community, Brian asks Stephen how he is addressing the challenges with working in an academic environment with students who are rotating every four to six years and accepting student contributions.
\n\n[00:32:50] Stephen shares a story about his students working on an open project on a video chat program for One Laptop per Child, focusing on the needs of a deaf user.
\n\n[00:34:52] Georg is curious if Stephen has thoughts on how we can show impact in what kind of metrics we might be able to develop to show that we are doing good things in the maintenance of work that is not originally our own. Stephen mentions a community of professors called, Teaching Open Source.
\n\n[00:39:43] Stephen tells us where to find him online.
\n\nCHAOSS Project
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nRochester Institute of Technology-Open@RIT
\nStephen Jacobs
\nOne Laptop per Child
\nTeachingOpenSource
\nCrockpot
\nNebraska Humane Society
Special Guest: Stephen Jacobs.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Our special guest today is Stephen Jacobs, Director of Open at Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT) and Professor at School of Interactive Games and Media in Golisano College of Computing at RIT. Today, we are branching out the conversations into different areas of metrics. Stephen shares his background, how he got his start, and the work he is currently doing with the Open Source Academic Program at RIT. We will discuss challenges in metrics and the impact it has in open and software. Also, Stephen tells us about a community of professors called, Teaching Open Source, and what their goal is. Download this episode now to find out more! Don’t forget to share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.","date_published":"2020-11-06T03:00:00.000-06:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/3aaa40f2-e66d-4d01-aa28-7f169c4bc3ec.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":60128680,"duration_in_seconds":2505}]},{"id":"20ccc3b0-12f2-4964-99a7-cf9966723d2a","title":"Episode 21: GSOC Pt. 2: Extending GrimoireLab projects with Ria and Venu","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/21","content_text":"Panelists\n\nVenia Logan | Dylan Marcy\n\nGuests\n\nRia Gupta | Venu Vardhan Reddy Tekula\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:35] Ria and Venu introduce themselves and tell us how they got into CHAOSS.\n\n[00:04:34] Ria and Venu share with us how they found their projects and what is was like applying for Google Summer of Code.\n\n[00:07:27] Venu tells us all about what his project was in the Google Summer of Code.\n\n[00:08:50] Ria tells us all about what her project was in the Google Summer of Code.\n\n[00:10:05] Venu and Ria share with us how their projects started and what their experiences were in the Google Summer of Code. \n\n[00:12:24] Since Venu and Ria were working with similar systems, Dylan asks if at one point their two projects overlapped and they ended up working in the same area or with each other more directly. \n\n[00:14:14] Venia wants to know the most difficult parts of Ria and Venu’s projects and they tell us.\n\n[00:17:40] We find out how Ria and Venu feel about their end results and where they are in their projects right now.\n\n[00:23:35] Ria and Venu tells us what’s next for them since Google Summer of Code is over. \n\n[00:27:08] Venu shares one last thought about his project.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:29:42] Venia’s pick is a book called, Building Brand Communities by Carrie Melissa Jones and Charles Vogl. \n [00:30:39] Dylan’s pick is puppies.\n [00:32:23] Venu’s pick is amFOSS.\n [00:33:08] Ria’s pick is staying connected with friends and family.\n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS Project\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nImplementing Social Currency Metric System in GrimoireLab-Ria Gupta\nCreating Quality models with GrimoireLab and CHAOSS metrics-Venu Vardhan Reddy Tekula\nRia Gupta Twitter\nRia Gupta-Blog\nRia Gupta Linkedin\nVenu Vardhan Reddy Tekula Twitter\nVenu Vardhan Reddy Tekula Website\nVenu Vardhan Reddy Tekula Linkedin\nVenu Vardhan Reddy Tekula YouTube\nGrimoireLab\nBuilding Brand Communities: How Organizations Succeed by Creating Belonging-Carrie Melissa Jones and Charles Vogl\namFOSSSpecial Guests: Dylan Marcy, Ria Gupta, and Venu Tekula.","content_html":"Venia Logan | Dylan Marcy
\n\nRia Gupta | Venu Vardhan Reddy Tekula
\n\n[00:02:35] Ria and Venu introduce themselves and tell us how they got into CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:04:34] Ria and Venu share with us how they found their projects and what is was like applying for Google Summer of Code.
\n\n[00:07:27] Venu tells us all about what his project was in the Google Summer of Code.
\n\n[00:08:50] Ria tells us all about what her project was in the Google Summer of Code.
\n\n[00:10:05] Venu and Ria share with us how their projects started and what their experiences were in the Google Summer of Code.
\n\n[00:12:24] Since Venu and Ria were working with similar systems, Dylan asks if at one point their two projects overlapped and they ended up working in the same area or with each other more directly.
\n\n[00:14:14] Venia wants to know the most difficult parts of Ria and Venu’s projects and they tell us.
\n\n[00:17:40] We find out how Ria and Venu feel about their end results and where they are in their projects right now.
\n\n[00:23:35] Ria and Venu tells us what’s next for them since Google Summer of Code is over.
\n\n[00:27:08] Venu shares one last thought about his project.
\n\nCHAOSS Project
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nImplementing Social Currency Metric System in GrimoireLab-Ria Gupta
\nCreating Quality models with GrimoireLab and CHAOSS metrics-Venu Vardhan Reddy Tekula
\nRia Gupta Twitter
\nRia Gupta-Blog
\nRia Gupta Linkedin
\nVenu Vardhan Reddy Tekula Twitter
\nVenu Vardhan Reddy Tekula Website
\nVenu Vardhan Reddy Tekula Linkedin
\nVenu Vardhan Reddy Tekula YouTube
\nGrimoireLab
\nBuilding Brand Communities: How Organizations Succeed by Creating Belonging-Carrie Melissa Jones and Charles Vogl
\namFOSS
Special Guests: Dylan Marcy, Ria Gupta, and Venu Tekula.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! This episode is part two of Google Summer Summer of Code, which CHAOSS has been participating in for quite some time. Today, we have two guests, Ria Gupta and Venu Tekula, who participated in the Google Summer of Code 2020 with the CHAOSS project. They will tell us all about their projects they were involved in with GrimoireLab, how they started their project, their experiences, difficult parts they encountered, end results of their project, where they are in their projects now, and what’s next for them since Google Summer of Code has ended. Download this episode now to find out more! Don’t forget to share this podcast with your friends and colleagues.","date_published":"2020-10-23T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/20ccc3b0-12f2-4964-99a7-cf9966723d2a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":51429158,"duration_in_seconds":2142}]},{"id":"d3b4acd7-5ae1-410e-a679-71fce2291907","title":"Episode 20: CHAOSS + FINOS: Lessons Learned with Rob Underwood","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/20","content_text":"Panelists\n\nVenia Logan\n\nGuest\n\nRob Underwood\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:01:10] Rob tells us about himself, his career, and what he does at FINOS.\n\n[00:03:34] Rob talks about the culture and the environment that he built this tool in FINOS.\n\n[00:12:38] Rob tells us about being blessed in his career with some great mentors, and he shares a story about one. \n\n[00:16:34] We learn from Rob about the “tool” which is their board reporting and program health check. It is a rubric in order to present a set of criteria. \n\n[00:21:44] Venia summarizes the rubric.\n\n[00:23:21] Rob explains the philosophy behind selecting the metrics they did.\n\n[00:28:18] We find out what some of the metrics are which Rob calls “dimensions” and he explains each of these dimensions in detail. \n\n[00:34:58] Venia tells us to go to podcast.chaoss.community-Episode 11, if you’re looking to get involved in diversity and inclusion, which is a really great place to start. \n\n[00:37:38] Rob tells us about some big highlight metrics that he’s excited about. \n\n[00:46:35] We learn what the first step is toward community leaders implementing and adopting this tool in their own community\n\n[00:50:32] QIA process is mentioned by Venia.\n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:51:48] Rob’s pick is VOTE and wear a mask.\n [00:52:12] Venia’s pick is donate and contribute, especially to the people who are working on the front lines.\n\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS Project\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nRob Underwood Twitter\nFINOS\nAVC-FINOS (interesting last paragraph about diversity)\nFINOS Board Reporting and Program Health Checks (this is the tool for the projects)\nCSforAll\nGirls who code\nBlack girls code\nFINOS Incubating\nFINOS Activation \nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 11: Diversity & Inclusion with Emma IrwinSpecial Guest: Rob Underwood.","content_html":"Venia Logan
\n\nRob Underwood
\n\n[00:01:10] Rob tells us about himself, his career, and what he does at FINOS.
\n\n[00:03:34] Rob talks about the culture and the environment that he built this tool in FINOS.
\n\n[00:12:38] Rob tells us about being blessed in his career with some great mentors, and he shares a story about one.
\n\n[00:16:34] We learn from Rob about the “tool” which is their board reporting and program health check. It is a rubric in order to present a set of criteria.
\n\n[00:21:44] Venia summarizes the rubric.
\n\n[00:23:21] Rob explains the philosophy behind selecting the metrics they did.
\n\n[00:28:18] We find out what some of the metrics are which Rob calls “dimensions” and he explains each of these dimensions in detail.
\n\n[00:34:58] Venia tells us to go to podcast.chaoss.community-Episode 11, if you’re looking to get involved in diversity and inclusion, which is a really great place to start.
\n\n[00:37:38] Rob tells us about some big highlight metrics that he’s excited about.
\n\n[00:46:35] We learn what the first step is toward community leaders implementing and adopting this tool in their own community
\n\n[00:50:32] QIA process is mentioned by Venia.
\n\nCHAOSS Project
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nRob Underwood Twitter
\nFINOS
\nAVC-FINOS (interesting last paragraph about diversity)
\nFINOS Board Reporting and Program Health Checks (this is the tool for the projects)
\nCSforAll
\nGirls who code
\nBlack girls code
\nFINOS Incubating
\nFINOS Activation
\nCHAOSScast Podcast-Episode 11: Diversity & Inclusion with Emma Irwin
Special Guest: Rob Underwood.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, Venia is hosting, and her special guest is Rob Underwood, Chief Development Officer for FINOS Open Source Foundation. On this episode, we will be exploring a tool, a rubric of sorts, that has caught the eye of a lot of people at CHAOSS. We will learn all about FINOS and what Rob does there. Rob explains the philosophy behind selecting the metrics they did, and he tells us some big metrics he’s excited about. Also, Rob gives advice on what the first step is toward community leaders implementing and adopting this tool in their own community. Download this episode now, subscribe for free to this podcast, and share with your friends and colleagues. ","date_published":"2020-10-09T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/d3b4acd7-5ae1-410e-a679-71fce2291907.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":79611052,"duration_in_seconds":3317}]},{"id":"71d0786d-629a-46e8-9bdb-50a1dc8d810e","title":"Episode 19: GSOC: Anomaly Detection with Pratik, Akshara, Sarit, and Tianyi","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/19","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Sean Goggins\n\nGuests\n\nPratik Mishra\nAkshara P\nSarit Adhikari\nTianyi\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:04:02] Sean tells us how he was a mentor to all these students and what they all did.\n\n[00:05:39] Each student will discuss their project, the machine learning they used, and the outcome they were able to generate. Pratik shares his project first, and Georg asks if he can just plug in any metrics, even as new ones are developed, and start seeing behavior. \n\n[00:10:09] Pratik tells us about clustering or label of activity and what this means. \n\n[00:12:16] Akshara talks about her project, what she implemented, and what she is able to do now that her work is complete. \n\n[00:19:43] Akshara talked about building a prediction model and Georg wonders if she tried out how accurate her prediction was and did she go out and actually predict probabilities and then observed over a week or two how likely those were to be merged. \n\n[00:20:55] Sarit talks about his project, what he worked on, and what he is able to do now that his project is complete.\n\n[00:25:11] Georg asks Sarit what he learned about open source projects and is there a way of interacting that is better than another. Also, what is the insight you can gain from this kind of analysis. Sarit also tells us how the conversation mechanism could be different.\n\n[00:28:26] Tianyi tells us about his project, what he worked on, which is different than the others, and what he is able to do now that his project is complete.\n\n[00:34:36] Georg asks Tianyi if he looked at the strength of connections between projects. He also wonders if there are any other insights that Tianyi got from looking at the most active GitHub repositories. \n\n[00:38:46] Tianyi interprets the clustering coefficient of 0.5 for us.\n\n[00:40:21] The students share their experiences from their projects, and they tell us if Google Summer of Code lived up to their expectations going into it. \n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:45:37] Georg’s pick is his new bike and going biking. \n [00:46:00] Sean’s pick is what is in scarce supply which is “silence.” (his kids are home all day doing virtual school ☺).\n [00:46:20] Sarit’s pick is a camping trip he took last week.\n [00:46:40] Akshara’s pick is finding time to have a virtual meet with her gang of friends form college. \n [00:47:34] Pratik’s pick is having a virtual meeting with his friends from college.\n [00:48:03] Tianyi’s pick is he took a vacation and went back home to spend time with his parents and grandma. \n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS Project\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nGoogle Summer of Code\nAugur softwareSpecial Guests: Akshara P, Pratik Mishra, Sarit Adhikari, and Tianyi.","content_html":"Georg Link | Sean Goggins
\n\nPratik Mishra
\nAkshara P
\nSarit Adhikari
\nTianyi
[00:04:02] Sean tells us how he was a mentor to all these students and what they all did.
\n\n[00:05:39] Each student will discuss their project, the machine learning they used, and the outcome they were able to generate. Pratik shares his project first, and Georg asks if he can just plug in any metrics, even as new ones are developed, and start seeing behavior.
\n\n[00:10:09] Pratik tells us about clustering or label of activity and what this means.
\n\n[00:12:16] Akshara talks about her project, what she implemented, and what she is able to do now that her work is complete.
\n\n[00:19:43] Akshara talked about building a prediction model and Georg wonders if she tried out how accurate her prediction was and did she go out and actually predict probabilities and then observed over a week or two how likely those were to be merged.
\n\n[00:20:55] Sarit talks about his project, what he worked on, and what he is able to do now that his project is complete.
\n\n[00:25:11] Georg asks Sarit what he learned about open source projects and is there a way of interacting that is better than another. Also, what is the insight you can gain from this kind of analysis. Sarit also tells us how the conversation mechanism could be different.
\n\n[00:28:26] Tianyi tells us about his project, what he worked on, which is different than the others, and what he is able to do now that his project is complete.
\n\n[00:34:36] Georg asks Tianyi if he looked at the strength of connections between projects. He also wonders if there are any other insights that Tianyi got from looking at the most active GitHub repositories.
\n\n[00:38:46] Tianyi interprets the clustering coefficient of 0.5 for us.
\n\n[00:40:21] The students share their experiences from their projects, and they tell us if Google Summer of Code lived up to their expectations going into it.
\n\nCHAOSS Project
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nGoogle Summer of Code
\nAugur software
Special Guests: Akshara P, Pratik Mishra, Sarit Adhikari, and Tianyi.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today’s episode is about Google Summer of Code. We have four amazing guests, Pratik, Akshara, Sarit, and Tianyi, who have been mentees through this project during the Summer 2020 with the CHAOSS project. What you will learn on this episode is the many different types of machine learning there are, and how many different ways it can be useful in the open source community to apply the methods that the students did apply to practical open source problems. We will find out what each student’s project was and the outcome they were able to generate. Download this episode now and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share it with your friends!","date_published":"2020-09-25T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/71d0786d-629a-46e8-9bdb-50a1dc8d810e.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":71126874,"duration_in_seconds":2963}]},{"id":"712eeafc-803d-4f82-b70c-a945f105e0c6","title":"Episode 18: DevRel Metrics with Mary Thengvall","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/18","content_text":"Panelists\n\nMatt Broberg | Nicole Huesman | Foundjem Armstrong\n\nGuests\n\nMary Thengvall\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:01:48] Mary tells us all about herself and her job. \n\n[00:03:05] We find out from Mary what DevRel is.\n\n[00:05:20] Nicole asks Mary to talk the DevRel position being such a unique position and often people may want to apply traditional marketing metrics to the role and sometimes that doesn’t really work, so she explains why. \n\n[00:11:17] Matt wants to know how Mary handles the organization that is so used to trying to build these metaphorical engines everywhere and how do you try to explain DevRel from a data perspective if you don’t have the same easy metaphor available to you. She brings up the “Orbit Model.”\n\n[00:17:53] Armstrong asks Mary if this is a different kind of MetaMetrics that captures different forms of metrics and tries to present it to a different audience.\n\n[00:22:17] Mary tells us her thoughts on the whole notion of the unintended consequences of metrics or measurement, which is always a hot topic.\n\n[00:29:06] We learn how management measures Mary’s success and how does she evaluate her performance. \n\n[00:32:10] Mary tells us what she would like to see from the CHAOSS Project and how does she see the CHAOSS Project being helpful from a DevRel perspective.\n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:35:08] Mary has two picks: a book called, Working in Public, _by Nadia Eghbal and a video game, _Horizon Zero Dawn.\n [00:36:53 Armstrong’s pick is Ordy cartoon.\n [00:37:38] Nicole has two picks: I AM C-3PO and A Famous Dog’s Life (Audiobooks).\n [00:38:48] Matt’s pick is the research of George Lakoff and his book, _Metaphors We Live By. _\n\n\nSponsor\n\nHoneybadger\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS Project\n\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\n\nMary Thengvall Website/Blog\n\nMary Thengvall Twitter\n\nMary Thengvall Instagram\n\nCamunda\n\nThe Business Value of Developer Relations by Mary Thengvall\n\nThe Orbit Model-GitHub\n\n“DevRel Qualified Leads: Repurposing A Common Business Metric To Prove Value,” by Mary Thengvall\n\nWorking in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal\n\nHorizon Zero Dawn-Steam\n\nOrdy Cartoon\n\nI AM C-3PO (Audiobook)\n\nA Famous Dog’s Life (Audiobook)\n\nMetaphors We Live By- George Lakoff\n\nGeorge Lakoff WebsiteSpecial Guest: Mary Thengvall.","content_html":"Matt Broberg | Nicole Huesman | Foundjem Armstrong
\n\n[00:01:48] Mary tells us all about herself and her job.
\n\n[00:03:05] We find out from Mary what DevRel is.
\n\n[00:05:20] Nicole asks Mary to talk the DevRel position being such a unique position and often people may want to apply traditional marketing metrics to the role and sometimes that doesn’t really work, so she explains why.
\n\n[00:11:17] Matt wants to know how Mary handles the organization that is so used to trying to build these metaphorical engines everywhere and how do you try to explain DevRel from a data perspective if you don’t have the same easy metaphor available to you. She brings up the “Orbit Model.”
\n\n[00:17:53] Armstrong asks Mary if this is a different kind of MetaMetrics that captures different forms of metrics and tries to present it to a different audience.
\n\n[00:22:17] Mary tells us her thoughts on the whole notion of the unintended consequences of metrics or measurement, which is always a hot topic.
\n\n[00:29:06] We learn how management measures Mary’s success and how does she evaluate her performance.
\n\n[00:32:10] Mary tells us what she would like to see from the CHAOSS Project and how does she see the CHAOSS Project being helpful from a DevRel perspective.
\n\nThe Business Value of Developer Relations by Mary Thengvall
\n\n\n\n“DevRel Qualified Leads: Repurposing A Common Business Metric To Prove Value,” by Mary Thengvall
\n\nWorking in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nA Famous Dog’s Life (Audiobook)
\n\nMetaphors We Live By- George Lakoff
\n\nSpecial Guest: Mary Thengvall.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Our special guest today is Mary Thengvall, Director of Developer Relations at an open source process automation company called Camunda. She’s also the author of the first book on Developer Relations called, The Business Value of Developer Relations. We will learn what a DevRel is and why it’s such a unique position. Also, the hot topic of unintended consequences of measurement is discussed and the Orbit Model for building high gravity communities. Download this episode now and don’t forget to subscribe for free to this podcast and share it with your friends! ","date_published":"2020-09-18T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/712eeafc-803d-4f82-b70c-a945f105e0c6.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":57800586,"duration_in_seconds":2408}]},{"id":"5d58581f-8248-4dbe-aaa2-1d19f695de44","title":"Episode 17: Growing as a Community Manager through Metrics with Antonio Nardella","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/17","content_text":"Show Notes\n\n[00:02:42] Antonio tells us how he got to IOTA and what his journey was like. \n\n[00:04:54] We learn about a contest Antonio won and how important it was getting the job as Community Manager at IOTA. He also tells us what skills you need to make money. \n\n[00:10:47] Sean asks Antonio how he approaches his role as a Community Manager in that context since it’s so diverse. \n\n[00:13:17] Daniel wants to know if Antonio is using other types of metrics that are more related to serving the community or interviewing specific people. He also tells where he heard about GrimoreLab. \n\n[00:17:45] With 300,000 community members as a Community Manager, Sean asks Antonio how many projects, communities, and repositories he is trying to keep track of.\n\n[00:20:07] Antonio talks about his approach to identifying who is in his community. \n\n[00:23:51] We learn about the metrics Antonio is using. \n\n[00:27:00] Sean asks Antonio when he looks at the metrics, are there things that block him from getting certain information and are there questions that you want to answer but can’t.\n\n[00:29:10] Antonio mentions needing to be out in the community and do some social listening, and Georg has a suggestion on how the CHAOSS project handles this with their social currency metrics system. \n\n[00:32:16] Daniel has some advice to share about how he was looking at different projects on how to make open source self-sustainable.\n\n[00:36:56] Antonio shares with us what it means to him when he talks about a healthy community. \n\n[00:40:19] Antonio tells us where we can find him on the internet.\n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:41:24] Georg’s pick is his husband and if you have someone that brings joy to your life just cherish that. \n [00:42:13] Sean’s pick is Routine.\n [00:42:50] Daniel’s pick is Seneca (ancient Roman philosopher).\n [00:43:46] Antonio’s pick is Rejection and Living the dream.\n\n\nPicks\n\nHoneybadger\n\nHosts\n\nGeorg Link | Sean Goggins | Daniel Izquierdo\n\nGuist\n\nAntonio Nardella\n\nLinks\n\n\nAntonio Nardella Twitter\nIOTA\nDiscord IOTA\nCHAOSScast Podcast- Episode 2 “Social Currency Metric System.”\nSeneca the Younger\nSpecial Guest: Antonio Nardella.","content_html":"[00:02:42] Antonio tells us how he got to IOTA and what his journey was like.
\n\n[00:04:54] We learn about a contest Antonio won and how important it was getting the job as Community Manager at IOTA. He also tells us what skills you need to make money.
\n\n[00:10:47] Sean asks Antonio how he approaches his role as a Community Manager in that context since it’s so diverse.
\n\n[00:13:17] Daniel wants to know if Antonio is using other types of metrics that are more related to serving the community or interviewing specific people. He also tells where he heard about GrimoreLab.
\n\n[00:17:45] With 300,000 community members as a Community Manager, Sean asks Antonio how many projects, communities, and repositories he is trying to keep track of.
\n\n[00:20:07] Antonio talks about his approach to identifying who is in his community.
\n\n[00:23:51] We learn about the metrics Antonio is using.
\n\n[00:27:00] Sean asks Antonio when he looks at the metrics, are there things that block him from getting certain information and are there questions that you want to answer but can’t.
\n\n[00:29:10] Antonio mentions needing to be out in the community and do some social listening, and Georg has a suggestion on how the CHAOSS project handles this with their social currency metrics system.
\n\n[00:32:16] Daniel has some advice to share about how he was looking at different projects on how to make open source self-sustainable.
\n\n[00:36:56] Antonio shares with us what it means to him when he talks about a healthy community.
\n\n[00:40:19] Antonio tells us where we can find him on the internet.
\n\nGeorg Link | Sean Goggins | Daniel Izquierdo
\n\nSpecial Guest: Antonio Nardella.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! On today’s episode we have special guest from Italy, Antonio Nardella, who is the Community Manager at IOTA, an open source distributed ledger and cryptocurrency for the Internet of things (IoT). We learn all about IOTA and what Antonio’s role is there. There are discussions about GrimoireLab providing metrics, what Antonio’s approach is identifying who’s in his community, what metrics he’s using, and what a healthy community means to him. Download this episode to find out more! \r\n","date_published":"2020-09-11T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/5d58581f-8248-4dbe-aaa2-1d19f695de44.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":68249152,"duration_in_seconds":2843}]},{"id":"afd3f225-216e-42f2-af22-119a313b8b44","title":"Episode 16: Role Diversity with Silona Bonewald","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/16","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Armstrong Foundjem\n\nGuest\n\nSilona Bonewald\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:01:52] Silona tells us about herself and her background.\n\n[00:03:21] Silona discusses being a big believer of “Gang of Four Patterns.”\n\n[00:05:38] Georg asks Silona how she thinks about measuring all these different parts of the community. She tells us one of the biggest compliments she got from someone at PayPal.\n\n[00:10:18] We learn how the metrics were collected and she tells us they started open planning. She also tells us if there was a consequence of separating the group into two different groups to measure the metrics and how the evaluation was. \n\n[00:15:09] Silona has “confessional” time and talks about Drupal.\n\n[00:19:45] We hear about Silona not having active disagreement, but passive disagreement. She shares a funny story. \n\n[00:24:18] Georg wants to know how is that feedback group when you’re looking at a metric community within your community, how do you show that you’re being effective and then secure more resources to continue growing. \n\n[00:27:05] How can CHAOSS help, what do you see CHAOSS’s role in open source ecosystem, and how would you like CHAOSS to evolve to get the most out of it. \n\n[00:31:04] Georg brings up InnerSource Commons and how Silona is doing some amazing work to document the best practices and patterns to help organizations adopt. She lets us know how she works in the open in a collaborative way. \n\n[00:34:28] Silona talks about standards and wanting to raise the maturity level of open source and standards has some really awesome processes for a lot of that. \n\n[00:37:08] Silona tells us where we can find her and her work on the internet. \n\nValue Adds (Picks) of the week\n\n\n [00:38:59] Georg’s pick is buying a piece of land.\n [00:39:48] Armstrong’s pick is All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy: Take time off work and enjoy the quietness of nature. \n [00:40:21] Silona’s pick is having to grow my team this week by hiring six new people. \n\n\nSponsor\n\nHoneybadger\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS Project\n\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\n\nSilona Bonewald Twitter\n\nDries Buytaert blog post on Makers and Takers in Open Source\n\nHyperledger’s “Community Groups”\n\nInnerSource Patterns-GitHub\n\nIEEE SA Open GitLabSpecial Guest: Silona Bonewald.","content_html":"Georg Link | Armstrong Foundjem
\n\n[00:01:52] Silona tells us about herself and her background.
\n\n[00:03:21] Silona discusses being a big believer of “Gang of Four Patterns.”
\n\n[00:05:38] Georg asks Silona how she thinks about measuring all these different parts of the community. She tells us one of the biggest compliments she got from someone at PayPal.
\n\n[00:10:18] We learn how the metrics were collected and she tells us they started open planning. She also tells us if there was a consequence of separating the group into two different groups to measure the metrics and how the evaluation was.
\n\n[00:15:09] Silona has “confessional” time and talks about Drupal.
\n\n[00:19:45] We hear about Silona not having active disagreement, but passive disagreement. She shares a funny story.
\n\n[00:24:18] Georg wants to know how is that feedback group when you’re looking at a metric community within your community, how do you show that you’re being effective and then secure more resources to continue growing.
\n\n[00:27:05] How can CHAOSS help, what do you see CHAOSS’s role in open source ecosystem, and how would you like CHAOSS to evolve to get the most out of it.
\n\n[00:31:04] Georg brings up InnerSource Commons and how Silona is doing some amazing work to document the best practices and patterns to help organizations adopt. She lets us know how she works in the open in a collaborative way.
\n\n[00:34:28] Silona talks about standards and wanting to raise the maturity level of open source and standards has some really awesome processes for a lot of that.
\n\n[00:37:08] Silona tells us where we can find her and her work on the internet.
\n\nDries Buytaert blog post on Makers and Takers in Open Source
\n\nHyperledger’s “Community Groups”
\n\n\n\nSpecial Guest: Silona Bonewald.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, we have special guest, Silona Bonewald, Executive Director for IEEE SA Open, a comprehensive platform offering the open source community cost-effective options for developing and validating their projects. We are discussing Role Diversity and how it’s measured. Silona discusses patterns, how metrics were collected, and how open planning worked for them. We also talk about InnerSource Commons and the work Silona is doing with it. Download this episode now to find out more!","date_published":"2020-09-04T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/afd3f225-216e-42f2-af22-119a313b8b44.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":61130906,"duration_in_seconds":2547}]},{"id":"7e05d889-8c78-4b84-a4db-f3103c505376","title":"Episode 15: OSPO Metrics with Stormy Peters","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/15","content_text":"Panelists\n\nMatt Broberg | Daniel Izquierdo | Armstrong Foundjem\n\nGuest\n\nStormy Peters\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:46] Stormy tells us what is an OSPO providing a company. She also tells us what kind of skills you need to be in an OSPO.\n\n[00:05:43] Matt asks Stormy if there are certain organizations that she’s noticed or has there been a pattern of adoption of OSPO’s as a part of the org chart. She also talks about Microsoft. \n\n[00:08:22] Since Stormy has been at Microsoft a year now, she tells us her journey at Microsoft and what she’s bringing to the organization that’s going down this line of an open source evolution. \n\n[00:09:28] Daniel asks Stormy if OSPO is an effect of a company becoming more open source friendly, so a good open source citizen, or is this procreated by companies willing to be open source citizens. Stormy goes into the inner source functionality as well. \n\n[00:13:56] Armstrong wants to know Stormy has any concern about what you can measure, and do you measure any metrics? He also asks if she knows about obsolete assumptions and if she’s ever encountered any. \n\n[00:21:00] Daniel talks about how metrics are like colors, talking to people like different metrics, different colors, and probably one of the main reasons OSPO exists because we need the strategy. He also gives some recommendations. \n\n[00:25:03] Armstrong brings up a good point about some people in life are color blind and giving organizations or any ecosystem at this certain metrics, we tend to be color blind to avoid measuring or we don’t want to measure, and Daniel said he has seen this behavior. \n\n[00:28:22] Stormy tells us the OSPO’s role.\n\n[00:30:45] Matt is curious as to what Stormy’s day to day is like when it comes to balancing all these different demands internally for open source expertise. He also wonders how she differentiates value as you’re looking at projects and how do you determine whether this is a valuable open source project for a business. The guys also share some advice of their own on how they perceive value. \n\n[00:33:02] Armstrong shares some great advice here about having more diversity in projects. \n\n[00:38:32] Daniel tells us what he looks out for as he’s evaluating valuable projects. \n\n[00:41:23] Thinking about value, Matt wants to know something Stormy appreciates when she comes across an open source project.\n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:42:47] Stormy’s value add is how our work is changing and how we’re making it better and more efficient.\n [00:44:29] Armstrong’s value add is walk and drink water. \n [00:45:39] Daniel’s value add is asking how he can organize himself. Stormy and Matt have some ideas for him (linked below).\n [00:47:36] Matt’s value add is fiddling with dotfiles and a project called, “Chez Moi” that helps.\n\n\nSponsor\n\nHoneybadger\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS Project\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nStormy Peters Twitter\nChezmoi-GitHub\n“Microsoft Analyzed Data On It’s Newly Remote Workforce”-Harvard Business Review\nHabitica App\nAtomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones by James Clear\n\nCredits\n\nProduced by: Rebase.fm\nEdited by: Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at Rebase.fm\nSupport CHAOSSSpecial Guest: Stormy Peters.","content_html":"Matt Broberg | Daniel Izquierdo | Armstrong Foundjem
\n\n[00:02:46] Stormy tells us what is an OSPO providing a company. She also tells us what kind of skills you need to be in an OSPO.
\n\n[00:05:43] Matt asks Stormy if there are certain organizations that she’s noticed or has there been a pattern of adoption of OSPO’s as a part of the org chart. She also talks about Microsoft.
\n\n[00:08:22] Since Stormy has been at Microsoft a year now, she tells us her journey at Microsoft and what she’s bringing to the organization that’s going down this line of an open source evolution.
\n\n[00:09:28] Daniel asks Stormy if OSPO is an effect of a company becoming more open source friendly, so a good open source citizen, or is this procreated by companies willing to be open source citizens. Stormy goes into the inner source functionality as well.
\n\n[00:13:56] Armstrong wants to know Stormy has any concern about what you can measure, and do you measure any metrics? He also asks if she knows about obsolete assumptions and if she’s ever encountered any.
\n\n[00:21:00] Daniel talks about how metrics are like colors, talking to people like different metrics, different colors, and probably one of the main reasons OSPO exists because we need the strategy. He also gives some recommendations.
\n\n[00:25:03] Armstrong brings up a good point about some people in life are color blind and giving organizations or any ecosystem at this certain metrics, we tend to be color blind to avoid measuring or we don’t want to measure, and Daniel said he has seen this behavior.
\n\n[00:28:22] Stormy tells us the OSPO’s role.
\n\n[00:30:45] Matt is curious as to what Stormy’s day to day is like when it comes to balancing all these different demands internally for open source expertise. He also wonders how she differentiates value as you’re looking at projects and how do you determine whether this is a valuable open source project for a business. The guys also share some advice of their own on how they perceive value.
\n\n[00:33:02] Armstrong shares some great advice here about having more diversity in projects.
\n\n[00:38:32] Daniel tells us what he looks out for as he’s evaluating valuable projects.
\n\n[00:41:23] Thinking about value, Matt wants to know something Stormy appreciates when she comes across an open source project.
\n\nCHAOSS Project
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nStormy Peters Twitter
\nChezmoi-GitHub
\n“Microsoft Analyzed Data On It’s Newly Remote Workforce”-Harvard Business Review
\nHabitica App
\nAtomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones by James Clear
Produced by: Rebase.fm
\nEdited by: Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound
\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound
\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at Rebase.fm
\nSupport CHAOSS
Special Guest: Stormy Peters.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Our discussions today will be on OSPO Metrics. We have special guest, Stormy Peters, Director of Microsoft’s Open Source Programs Office (OSPO). Today, Stormy tells us all about OSPO and what it means from a metrics standpoint. She will fill us in on her journey with Microsoft and what’s she bringing into the organization. We also dive into value and how we differentiate value if you’re looking at projects. Subscribe to this podcast to download this episode now to find out more!","date_published":"2020-08-28T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/7e05d889-8c78-4b84-a4db-f3103c505376.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":70423250,"duration_in_seconds":2934}]},{"id":"c3842e41-547f-4816-ab86-4611d53f0e32","title":"Episode 14: The Theory and Future of Measurement with Chris Mercer","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/14","content_text":"Panelists\n\nVenia | Don | Matt Germonprez\n\nGuest\n\n\nChris Mercer\n\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:25] Mercer tells us what exactly MeasurementMarketing is.\n\n[00:04:47] Matt asks Mercer how he filters through all of the digital data that’s available to us to make sure that this is somehow meaningful as a great tool. \n\n[00:08:09] Don brings up Facebook’s instructions on digital marketing 101 and wants to know if that’s a thing that can be done. He also wants to know from a competitive point of view if Mercer is concerned about data going over to other companies that be better positioned to use it. \n\n[00:14:21] Matt asks Mercer, in this highly dynamic landscape that he’s working in what are the ways that he goes about learning in this space. \n\n[00:20:18] Looking at next generations of technology, Don asks Mercer if he’s looked at any of the proposed replacements for the third-party cookie at all, like Google’s Flock and TURTLEDOVE. Also, he wonders if there’s a metric for how measurable your audience is, kind of like a meta metric of how well the metrics work.\n\n[00:28:32] Mercer goes through a few things that he thinks are most important for people who are trying to measure their communities and what should they know. \n\n[00:37:04] Mercer explains one of his “ism’s” called “Results on How.”\n\n[00:42:52] Venia wants to discuss how these theories and how the future of measurement Mercer has outlined it, is really going to impact CHAOSS. CHAOSS is providing so many metrics of giant toolbox and all of these communities that we’re looking to measure have to find that journey, have to use those pillars, so how do you think this will impact what CHAOSS looks like?\n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:49:33] Matt’s value add is he’s been running with his new dog to keep the brain clear. \n [00:50:22] Don’s value add is spring cleaning and using a new tool called Earthly.\n [00:51:05] Venia’s value add is the importance of building out an information diet.\n [00:52:02] Mercer’s value add’s are walking on a treadmill and a start-up called “Knowhere.”\n\n\nQuotes\n\n[00:31:18] “So, that’s the kind of journey that you go through and your job is not to create this massive gigantic implementation of just because you can, you should. That’s not how it is. You deal with the questions that you are trying to answer, and you build your implementation to answer those questions. Then you will start asking bigger questions naturally and then your implementation will improve to answer those, and then you keep doing that and the journey.”\n\n[00:34:15] “Truth is in the trend; power is in the pattern.”\n\nSponsor\n\nHoneybadger\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS Project\nCHAOSS Project Twitter\nMeasurementMarketing-Chris Mercer\nEarthly\nKnowhere News\n\nCredits\n\nProduced by: Rebase.fm\nEdited by: Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at Rebase.fm\nSupport CHAOSSSpecial Guest: Chris Mercer.","content_html":"Venia | Don | Matt Germonprez
\n\n[00:02:25] Mercer tells us what exactly MeasurementMarketing is.
\n\n[00:04:47] Matt asks Mercer how he filters through all of the digital data that’s available to us to make sure that this is somehow meaningful as a great tool.
\n\n[00:08:09] Don brings up Facebook’s instructions on digital marketing 101 and wants to know if that’s a thing that can be done. He also wants to know from a competitive point of view if Mercer is concerned about data going over to other companies that be better positioned to use it.
\n\n[00:14:21] Matt asks Mercer, in this highly dynamic landscape that he’s working in what are the ways that he goes about learning in this space.
\n\n[00:20:18] Looking at next generations of technology, Don asks Mercer if he’s looked at any of the proposed replacements for the third-party cookie at all, like Google’s Flock and TURTLEDOVE. Also, he wonders if there’s a metric for how measurable your audience is, kind of like a meta metric of how well the metrics work.
\n\n[00:28:32] Mercer goes through a few things that he thinks are most important for people who are trying to measure their communities and what should they know.
\n\n[00:37:04] Mercer explains one of his “ism’s” called “Results on How.”
\n\n[00:42:52] Venia wants to discuss how these theories and how the future of measurement Mercer has outlined it, is really going to impact CHAOSS. CHAOSS is providing so many metrics of giant toolbox and all of these communities that we’re looking to measure have to find that journey, have to use those pillars, so how do you think this will impact what CHAOSS looks like?
\n\n[00:31:18] “So, that’s the kind of journey that you go through and your job is not to create this massive gigantic implementation of just because you can, you should. That’s not how it is. You deal with the questions that you are trying to answer, and you build your implementation to answer those questions. Then you will start asking bigger questions naturally and then your implementation will improve to answer those, and then you keep doing that and the journey.”
\n\n[00:34:15] “Truth is in the trend; power is in the pattern.”
\n\nCHAOSS Project
\nCHAOSS Project Twitter
\nMeasurementMarketing-Chris Mercer
\nEarthly
\nKnowhere News
Produced by: Rebase.fm
\nEdited by: Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound
\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound
\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at Rebase.fm
\nSupport CHAOSS
Special Guest: Chris Mercer.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, our special guest is Chris Mercer, from MeasurementMarketing.io. Our topic today will be on the theory and future of Measurement. Mercer tells us what MeasurementMarketing is and explain in detail the “Five pillars of measurement.” He will go over a few things that are important for people who are trying to measure their communities and what they should know. Also, how does the future of measurement going to impact CHAOSS will be discussed. Subscribe to this podcast and download this episode now to find out all this and much more! ","date_published":"2020-08-21T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/c3842e41-547f-4816-ab86-4611d53f0e32.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":78938102,"duration_in_seconds":3289}]},{"id":"b86d10a6-c44f-44f8-b372-e19b5e73c0e8","title":"Episode 13: Internews OSS Lightweight Needs Assessment Toolkit with Gina Helfrich","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/13","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Dawn Foster | Andrea Gallo\n\nGuest\n\n\nGina Helfrich\n\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:28] Gina tells us about herself, what she does, and how she got into this “space” and the opportunity that came up at Internews to manage the BASICS project. \n\n[00:06:10] Dawn asks Gina if she has any suggestions for people who are analyzing data, especially in vulnerable populations. \n\n[00:09:43] Andrea wants to know what Gina’s thoughts and guidelines are when selecting security applications? She also gives us a summary and explains the two parts of the BASICS project (Building Analytical and Support Infrastructure for Critical Security tools). The Guardian Project and a methodology they developed called, Clean Insights is explained. \n\n[00:14:36] Andrea asks Gina when you follow the development of an open source tool or you select an open source tool for adoption, is there any metrics that you monitor to identify the success of a project and what would you consider a good open source project to adopt or how would you declare that your role in an open source project sounds successful? \n\n[00:17:03] Dawn asks how good are these projects that people are using and what shape are they in. Also, Gina gives us examples of the types of projects she’s working with. \n\n[00:20:03] Georg saw the Lightweight Needs Assessment that Gina created for Internews, she listed CHAOSS as a source of inspiration for this tool along with others, so he’s interested to know how did she go about creating this tool, how you’ve used these resources, like CHAOSS, in the creation and what are the dimensions that you are looking at inside the tool. \n\n[00:29:14] Gina talks a little more about how she uses all this data, then to prioritize which projects get consultants or get additional help. Also, she tells us how she goes from the data to the decision-making process. \n\n[00:33:00] Andrea talks about his favorite metrics and he asks Gina her thoughts on if a project is all contributed by engineers from few companies, is it really an open source project versus open source projects that are contributed by hundreds of people working for different companies and has she looked at these elements in her strategy.\n\n[00:37:16] Andrea wonders if it was hard for Gina to jumpstart into CHAOSS and find her way. \n\n[00:40:50] Gina tells us where you can find her on the internet and find this tool to learn more about how to use it. \n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:41:30] Georg’s value add is a book called, See You in the Cosmos, by Jack Cheng.\n [00:42:36] Dawn’s value add is a tool called OBS Studio.\n [00:43:50] Andrea’s value add’s are a book called, To Touch a Wild Dolphin, by Rachel Smolker and WindowSwap.\n [00:45:25] Gina’s value add’s are roller skating/watching roller skating videos on Instagram (Berlin roller skater) and a book called, How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy by Jenny ODell.\n\n\nQuotes\n\n\n[00:07:59] “And it’s kind of interpersonal in nature of that, and the messiness and humanness of that interaction, gives you I believe, a different perspective on running analyses if you really have that sense of, 'Oh, there are people here!'”\n\n\nLinks\n\nLightweight Needs Assessment that Gina created for Internews\n\nGina Helfrich Website\n\nGina Helfrich Twitter\n\nGina Helfrich Linkedin\n\nClean Insights\n\nInternews Global Technology BASICS project\n\nSee You in the Cosmos by Jack Cheng\n\nOBS Studio\n\nTo Touch a Wild Dolphin by Rachel Smolker\n\nWindowSwap\n\nOumi Janta- Berlin roller skater\n\nHow to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy by Jenny Odell\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\nSpecial Guest: Gina Helfrich.","content_html":"Georg Link | Dawn Foster | Andrea Gallo
\n\n[00:02:28] Gina tells us about herself, what she does, and how she got into this “space” and the opportunity that came up at Internews to manage the BASICS project.
\n\n[00:06:10] Dawn asks Gina if she has any suggestions for people who are analyzing data, especially in vulnerable populations.
\n\n[00:09:43] Andrea wants to know what Gina’s thoughts and guidelines are when selecting security applications? She also gives us a summary and explains the two parts of the BASICS project (Building Analytical and Support Infrastructure for Critical Security tools). The Guardian Project and a methodology they developed called, Clean Insights is explained.
\n\n[00:14:36] Andrea asks Gina when you follow the development of an open source tool or you select an open source tool for adoption, is there any metrics that you monitor to identify the success of a project and what would you consider a good open source project to adopt or how would you declare that your role in an open source project sounds successful?
\n\n[00:17:03] Dawn asks how good are these projects that people are using and what shape are they in. Also, Gina gives us examples of the types of projects she’s working with.
\n\n[00:20:03] Georg saw the Lightweight Needs Assessment that Gina created for Internews, she listed CHAOSS as a source of inspiration for this tool along with others, so he’s interested to know how did she go about creating this tool, how you’ve used these resources, like CHAOSS, in the creation and what are the dimensions that you are looking at inside the tool.
\n\n[00:29:14] Gina talks a little more about how she uses all this data, then to prioritize which projects get consultants or get additional help. Also, she tells us how she goes from the data to the decision-making process.
\n\n[00:33:00] Andrea talks about his favorite metrics and he asks Gina her thoughts on if a project is all contributed by engineers from few companies, is it really an open source project versus open source projects that are contributed by hundreds of people working for different companies and has she looked at these elements in her strategy.
\n\n[00:37:16] Andrea wonders if it was hard for Gina to jumpstart into CHAOSS and find her way.
\n\n[00:40:50] Gina tells us where you can find her on the internet and find this tool to learn more about how to use it.
\n\nLightweight Needs Assessment that Gina created for Internews
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nInternews Global Technology BASICS project
\n\nSee You in the Cosmos by Jack Cheng
\n\n\n\nTo Touch a Wild Dolphin by Rachel Smolker
\n\n\n\nOumi Janta- Berlin roller skater
\n\nHow to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy by Jenny Odell
\n\nSpecial Guest: Gina Helfrich.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, our special guest is Gina Helfrich. Dr. Helfrich is Program Officer for Global Technology at Internews, where she manages global programs covering two streams of work. She will talk about the BASICS project, which is where they look at how to strengthen open source security tools that journalists and human rights organizations rely on. You can also find out about The Guardian Project and how it has developed a methodology called Clean Insights. We will learn about the OSS Lightweight Needs Assessment toolkit she created and why CHAOSS was a source of inspiration for the toolkit. Subscribe for free to this podcast and download this episode now! ","date_published":"2020-08-14T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/b86d10a6-c44f-44f8-b372-e19b5e73c0e8.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":70522784,"duration_in_seconds":2938}]},{"id":"85d616f0-69ce-4f7c-9509-c69da5732b6b","title":"Episode 12: How Social Marketing Interfaces with Community with Michelle Dalton","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/12","content_text":"Panelists\n\nVenia Logan | Foundjem Armstrong | Nicole Huesman\n\nGuest\n\n\nMichelle Dalton\n\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:01:21] Michelle gives us her background and fills us in on her journey into community management. \n\n[00:04:30] Digital marketer and where the engaged group sets in its strategic plan is discussed, as well as how big the digital engaged community is. \n\n[00:07:44] Michelle talks about what her job looked like in the service area and how it changed in engage. \n\n[00:09:39] Nicole asks Michelle if there have been any surprises or things that you didn’t expect in her role as a community manager. \n\n[00:12:05] Venia asks Michelle to talk about how the digital marketer views the evolution of marketing community as relationships and how it may impact the evolution of open source communities. \n\n[00:14:08] Michelle gives us some insights on what she thinks she can bring to inform open source communities. She explains human to human interaction. \n\n[00:17:43] Michelle tells us how she balances her communication inside of her team, with her public, and give her public some power in the actual company, and how does she navigate that tension.\n\n[00:21:58] Armstrong wonders if Michelle has observed any path of success which an open source community learned from her instantly.\n\n[00:24:40] Venia wonders if Michelle would say that your community has transcended the notions of being useful or successful in regard to your terms and goals, and the community has become meaningful? Also, what does she think that means to all of her community members that they view this community as a place where they can garner meaning? Michelle mentions a woman in their group, Cyn Mobley, who is a rock star, and talks about her. \n\n[00:29:15] Nicole wonders how Michelle brings up other community members and encourage them to be more active and jump in. \n\n[00:34:40] Michelle explains how the onboarding process broke down, how she dealt with it, and where she stands now. She also talks about the atmosphere which attracted these people to come into the community. \n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:40:09] Venia’s value add is to dedicate yourself to a hobby. \n [00:40:46] Nicole’s value add is enrolling her son in a coding camp.\n [00:41:48] Armstrong’s value add is a cool park he discovered.\n [00:43:29] Michelle’s value add’s are redoing her bedroom and downloading sleep apps.\n\n\nLinks\n\nMichelle Dalton-Linkedin\nMichelle Dalton-Facebook\nDigitalMarketer\ntopic@podcastchaos.community (email)\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\nSpecial Guest: Michelle Dalton.","content_html":"Venia Logan | Foundjem Armstrong | Nicole Huesman
\n\n[00:01:21] Michelle gives us her background and fills us in on her journey into community management.
\n\n[00:04:30] Digital marketer and where the engaged group sets in its strategic plan is discussed, as well as how big the digital engaged community is.
\n\n[00:07:44] Michelle talks about what her job looked like in the service area and how it changed in engage.
\n\n[00:09:39] Nicole asks Michelle if there have been any surprises or things that you didn’t expect in her role as a community manager.
\n\n[00:12:05] Venia asks Michelle to talk about how the digital marketer views the evolution of marketing community as relationships and how it may impact the evolution of open source communities.
\n\n[00:14:08] Michelle gives us some insights on what she thinks she can bring to inform open source communities. She explains human to human interaction.
\n\n[00:17:43] Michelle tells us how she balances her communication inside of her team, with her public, and give her public some power in the actual company, and how does she navigate that tension.
\n\n[00:21:58] Armstrong wonders if Michelle has observed any path of success which an open source community learned from her instantly.
\n\n[00:24:40] Venia wonders if Michelle would say that your community has transcended the notions of being useful or successful in regard to your terms and goals, and the community has become meaningful? Also, what does she think that means to all of her community members that they view this community as a place where they can garner meaning? Michelle mentions a woman in their group, Cyn Mobley, who is a rock star, and talks about her.
\n\n[00:29:15] Nicole wonders how Michelle brings up other community members and encourage them to be more active and jump in.
\n\n[00:34:40] Michelle explains how the onboarding process broke down, how she dealt with it, and where she stands now. She also talks about the atmosphere which attracted these people to come into the community.
\n\nMichelle Dalton-Linkedin
\nMichelle Dalton-Facebook
\nDigitalMarketer
\ntopic@podcastchaos.community (email)
Special Guest: Michelle Dalton.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, we have a special guest, Michelle Dalton, who is the Community Manager for DigitalMarketer communities and uses Facebook groups. We are going to be discussing DigitalMarketer engaged community. We will learn Michelle’s interesting journey that led her into community management. Also, she will give us some insights on what she thinks she can bring to inform the Open Source Community and the onboarding experience and how important it is. Michelle also mentions their core values, which one of them is, “Always pursue growth and learning.” Download this episode to find out more! ","date_published":"2020-08-07T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/85d616f0-69ce-4f7c-9509-c69da5732b6b.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":65284416,"duration_in_seconds":2720}]},{"id":"69c64443-f8ad-49bc-abee-5c6a0acd3013","title":"Episode 11: Diversity & Inclusion with Emma Irwin","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/11","content_text":"Panelists\n\nVenia Logan | Don Marti | Georg Link\n\nGuest\n\n\nEmma Irwin\n\n\nSponsor\n\nLinode\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:03:02] Emma tells us all about herself, her work at Mozilla, and what her journey was like. \n\n[00:07:07] Georg brings up the CHAOSS Diversity Inclusion Badging Project that Emma talks about. \n\n[00:10:02] Venia is curious to know from Emma what badges are available and what level of degree are people going to be able to use them in order to negotiate their own identities in an online space?\n\n[00:12:28] Don wants to know if the badging helps address concerns by project maintainers that they can be inclusive without taking on personal data stewardship responsibilities. Georg mentions Matt Snell leading the badging project, and how he just had a talk at the Open Source Summit North America, where he talked about everything they’re doing. \n\n[00:15:48] Emma tells us the number one problem that people make when they approach community health metrics. Also, she tells us how she recommends people go about coming up with good questions.\n\n[00:22:17] Venia asks Emma to talk about where the silo concept meets the exclusivity concept and how that worked.\n\n[00:27:00] Venia wants to know where is this working group, where is CHAOSS going to move forward now, especially since diversity and inclusion, at least here in the States, is now a mainstay part of the news. \n\n[00:32:34] Don asks Emma if there is a metric around some kind of a community decision making in open spaces that might be more inclusive than the kind of project decisions that might get made at an in-person event.\n\n[00:34:06] As we think about diversity and inclusion, and society in tech and Open Source, Georg asks Emma what do you think we can do?\n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:40:29] Georg’s value add is watching his foster child learning how to ride a bike at 14 years old. \n [00:41:11] Vania’s value add is sometimes it’s worth throwing money in the dark.\n [00:42:01] Don’s value add is stophateforprofit.org.\n [00:43:29] Emma’s value adds are Kim Crayton’s course on “Introduction to Being Antiracist,” a Podcast called “Seeing White,” and being a gardener!\n\n\nLinks\n\nEmma Irwin Website\nEmma Irwin Twitter\nCHAOSS workgroup diversity and inclusion metrics-GitHub\nCII Best Practices Badge Program\nBadging by CHAOSS\nBadging Project presentation at the Open Source Summit North America\nOpen Source Diversity\nOpen Source Summit North America \nShophateforprofit.org\nKim Crayton course, “Introduction to Being an Antiracist.”\nKim Crayton Twitter\n“Seeing White” Podcast\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\nSpecial Guest: Emma Irwin.","content_html":"Venia Logan | Don Marti | Georg Link
\n\n[00:03:02] Emma tells us all about herself, her work at Mozilla, and what her journey was like.
\n\n[00:07:07] Georg brings up the CHAOSS Diversity Inclusion Badging Project that Emma talks about.
\n\n[00:10:02] Venia is curious to know from Emma what badges are available and what level of degree are people going to be able to use them in order to negotiate their own identities in an online space?
\n\n[00:12:28] Don wants to know if the badging helps address concerns by project maintainers that they can be inclusive without taking on personal data stewardship responsibilities. Georg mentions Matt Snell leading the badging project, and how he just had a talk at the Open Source Summit North America, where he talked about everything they’re doing.
\n\n[00:15:48] Emma tells us the number one problem that people make when they approach community health metrics. Also, she tells us how she recommends people go about coming up with good questions.
\n\n[00:22:17] Venia asks Emma to talk about where the silo concept meets the exclusivity concept and how that worked.
\n\n[00:27:00] Venia wants to know where is this working group, where is CHAOSS going to move forward now, especially since diversity and inclusion, at least here in the States, is now a mainstay part of the news.
\n\n[00:32:34] Don asks Emma if there is a metric around some kind of a community decision making in open spaces that might be more inclusive than the kind of project decisions that might get made at an in-person event.
\n\n[00:34:06] As we think about diversity and inclusion, and society in tech and Open Source, Georg asks Emma what do you think we can do?
\n\nEmma Irwin Website
\nEmma Irwin Twitter
\nCHAOSS workgroup diversity and inclusion metrics-GitHub
\nCII Best Practices Badge Program
\nBadging by CHAOSS
\nBadging Project presentation at the Open Source Summit North America
\nOpen Source Diversity
\nOpen Source Summit North America
\nShophateforprofit.org
\nKim Crayton course, “Introduction to Being an Antiracist.”
\nKim Crayton Twitter
\n“Seeing White” Podcast
Special Guest: Emma Irwin.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, we have an interesting episode about diversity and inclusion as one of the themes. We have special guest, Emma Irwin, Senior Program Manager at Mozilla, focused on building and sustaining healthy communities. We will learn more about the CHAOSS Diversity Inclusion Badging Project. Also, we find out what the number one problem is that people make when they approach community health metrics. And, as we think about diversity and inclusion, and all the movements going on right now, Emma tells us what we can do to help. Download this episode to find out more! ","date_published":"2020-07-31T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/69c64443-f8ad-49bc-abee-5c6a0acd3013.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":66271618,"duration_in_seconds":2761}]},{"id":"7832be61-e6a6-4095-8e85-76069f32623a","title":"Episode 10: Managing Risks and Opportunities in Open Source with Frank Nagle & David A. Wheeler","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/10","content_text":"Panelists\n\nKate Stewart | Sean Goggins | Georg Link\n\nGuest\n\n\nFrank Nagle\nDavid A. Wheeler\n\n\nSponsor\n\nLinode\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:40] We start off on the topic of looking at metrics that are useful for identifying what’s going on in a Software Configuration Management system. David tells us what it is and if there’s a difference between building software and deploying it. Also, figuring out which components you’re going to bring in, to your overall system. \n\n[00:07:55] Kate wants to know how much do the hidden dependencies play a role in risk of using Open Source and using projects, and do we see things people aren’t expecting? Sean asks if there are high profile cases where folks did not manage those dependencies terribly well and bad things happened. \n\n[00:14:09] Sean wants to know what kind of metric might help to identify that kind of programmer error that results in malicious code being introduced into a project and are there other ways that we could measure the existence of that phenomenon? CII Best Practices Badge is talked about here. \n\n[00:16:38] Kate mentions a survey that came out late last year of the most popular software that came out recently, and there’s some top packages that were identified through the analysis that had come from the scanners and everything else. Of those packages, how many of them have badges? Frank tells us the analysis he did and the results (report linked below).\n\n[00:19:45] Sean talks about things he’s observed when it comes to packages and dependencies and which ones are more popular in the course of the project. He wonders if anyone on the panel has started thinking about how do we assess things that are within a repository and what challenges does that pose from a metrics perspective?\n\n[00:23:34] License Risk on a project is discussed here by Kate and David. \n\n[00:28:09] Sean wants to know if he’s creating an Open Source software project and he Googles “Open Source Software licenses,” is he in a pretty safe space or are there other Open Source licenses that are pretending that they’re Open Source? David tells us where to look to find out. \n\n[00:29:32] Frank tells us what kinds of metrics or pieces of what they’ve talked about as being significant in both economic impacts and the future of work. \n\n[00:33:53] Sean wants to know in regard to Frank’s survey, what kinds of things he is looking to measure that we can’t with trace data from a repo. \n\n[00:36:39] Georg asks Frank if he’s has some early insights that might be interesting with the survey. \n\n[00:39:02] David and Frank tell us places you can check out to learn more. \n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:40:28] Kate’s picks are to check out Software Transparency reports and check out Allan Friedman’s session at RSA “Taking Control of Cyber-Supply Chain Security.”\n [00:41:26] Georg’s pick is OSI/Brandeis course on Open Source communities.\n [00:42:36] Sean’s pick is Covid-19 streaming movie binge called “Hanna” on Amazon Prime. \n [00:43:08] David’s picks are his website DWheeler.com and a website that Cloudflare put up called, “isbgpsafeyet.com.”\n [00:46:44] Frank’s pick is a working paper that was just released called, “Open Source Software and Global Entrepreneurship.”\n\n\nLinks\n\nFrank Nagle Twitter\nFrank Nagle Website\nDavid A. Wheeler Twitter\nDavid A. Wheeler Website\nCII Best Practices Badge Program\nCII-FOSS Survey\n“More Than a Gigabuck: Estimating GNU/Linux’s Size” by David A Wheeler\nReproducible Builds\nSPDX License List\nCore Infrastructure-Preliminary Report and Census II of Open Source Software\nOSI-Brandeis course on Open Source Technology Management\nHanna-Amazon Prime\nIs BGP safe yet?\n“Open Source Software and Global Entrepreneurship” paper by Frank Nagle, Nataliya Wright, and Shane Greenstein. \nNTIA Software Component Transparency\nAllan Friedman’s session at RSA “Taking Control of Cyber-Supply Chain Security.”\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\nSpecial Guests: David A. Wheeler and Frank Nagle.","content_html":"Kate Stewart | Sean Goggins | Georg Link
\n\n[00:02:40] We start off on the topic of looking at metrics that are useful for identifying what’s going on in a Software Configuration Management system. David tells us what it is and if there’s a difference between building software and deploying it. Also, figuring out which components you’re going to bring in, to your overall system.
\n\n[00:07:55] Kate wants to know how much do the hidden dependencies play a role in risk of using Open Source and using projects, and do we see things people aren’t expecting? Sean asks if there are high profile cases where folks did not manage those dependencies terribly well and bad things happened.
\n\n[00:14:09] Sean wants to know what kind of metric might help to identify that kind of programmer error that results in malicious code being introduced into a project and are there other ways that we could measure the existence of that phenomenon? CII Best Practices Badge is talked about here.
\n\n[00:16:38] Kate mentions a survey that came out late last year of the most popular software that came out recently, and there’s some top packages that were identified through the analysis that had come from the scanners and everything else. Of those packages, how many of them have badges? Frank tells us the analysis he did and the results (report linked below).
\n\n[00:19:45] Sean talks about things he’s observed when it comes to packages and dependencies and which ones are more popular in the course of the project. He wonders if anyone on the panel has started thinking about how do we assess things that are within a repository and what challenges does that pose from a metrics perspective?
\n\n[00:23:34] License Risk on a project is discussed here by Kate and David.
\n\n[00:28:09] Sean wants to know if he’s creating an Open Source software project and he Googles “Open Source Software licenses,” is he in a pretty safe space or are there other Open Source licenses that are pretending that they’re Open Source? David tells us where to look to find out.
\n\n[00:29:32] Frank tells us what kinds of metrics or pieces of what they’ve talked about as being significant in both economic impacts and the future of work.
\n\n[00:33:53] Sean wants to know in regard to Frank’s survey, what kinds of things he is looking to measure that we can’t with trace data from a repo.
\n\n[00:36:39] Georg asks Frank if he’s has some early insights that might be interesting with the survey.
\n\n[00:39:02] David and Frank tell us places you can check out to learn more.
\n\nFrank Nagle Twitter
\nFrank Nagle Website
\nDavid A. Wheeler Twitter
\nDavid A. Wheeler Website
\nCII Best Practices Badge Program
\nCII-FOSS Survey
\n“More Than a Gigabuck: Estimating GNU/Linux’s Size” by David A Wheeler
\nReproducible Builds
\nSPDX License List
\nCore Infrastructure-Preliminary Report and Census II of Open Source Software
\nOSI-Brandeis course on Open Source Technology Management
\nHanna-Amazon Prime
\nIs BGP safe yet?
\n“Open Source Software and Global Entrepreneurship” paper by Frank Nagle, Nataliya Wright, and Shane Greenstein.
\nNTIA Software Component Transparency
\nAllan Friedman’s session at RSA “Taking Control of Cyber-Supply Chain Security.”
Special Guests: David A. Wheeler and Frank Nagle.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! Today, we have two special guests with us, Frank Nagle, Assistant Professor in the Strategy Unit at Harvard Business School and David A. Wheeler, Director of Open Source Supply Chain Security at the Linux Foundation. We will discuss the use of metrics in looking at software identified by the Software Configuration Management systems. We will talk about CII Best Practices Badge Program and License Risk. And, there is a survey that you can participate in called the Core Infrastructure Initiative FOSS Contributor Survey (CII-FOSS Survey). Go ahead and download this episode now to find out more! ","date_published":"2020-07-24T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/7832be61-e6a6-4095-8e85-76069f32623a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":70087088,"duration_in_seconds":2920}]},{"id":"0450ecb3-6cb2-4697-98b3-14795aa278a1","title":"Episode 9: In Defense of Vanity Metrics","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/9","content_text":"Panelists\n\nVenia Logan | Matt Broberg\n\nSponsor\n\nLinode\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:23] Matt and Venia explain what a Vanity Metric is. \n\n[00:06:41] Matt wants to know what is the opposite of a Vanity Metric? \n\n[00:10:46] Matt and Venia talk about how having a community strategy is so essential to understanding why we are using metrics. \n\n[00:12:27] Matt brings up being in the hot seat of being Community Manager and an uncomfortable moment he had. Venia tells us a powerful story she encountered in her background with the LGBTQ.\n\n[00:19:35] Matt shares ones of his favorite quotes and then he asks Venia what’s the risk of measuring, especially with vanity metrics, where you provide an incentive for things that we don’t necessarily want to incentivize? \n\n[00:20:25] Venia tells us what GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) is and she highly recommends a lawyer, Suzanne Dibble, who has extensively covered GDPR. \n\n[00:24:20] Matt and Venia talk about places to start if people are looking for advice and what are things that are vanity looking but could end of being valuable. \n\n[00:30:37] Venia talks about communities being socio-cultural in nature and therefore they must be measured social scientifically. \n\n[0036:31] Matt and Venia give their takeaways from today’s conversation that you can hold onto when it comes to the idea of vanity metrics.\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\n\nMatt Broberg Twitter\n\nVenia Logan Twitter\n\nMeasurementMarketing.io-Chris Mercer\n\nGDPR (General Data Protection Regulation)\n\nSuzanne Dibble-GDPR\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\n","content_html":"Venia Logan | Matt Broberg
\n\n[00:02:23] Matt and Venia explain what a Vanity Metric is.
\n\n[00:06:41] Matt wants to know what is the opposite of a Vanity Metric?
\n\n[00:10:46] Matt and Venia talk about how having a community strategy is so essential to understanding why we are using metrics.
\n\n[00:12:27] Matt brings up being in the hot seat of being Community Manager and an uncomfortable moment he had. Venia tells us a powerful story she encountered in her background with the LGBTQ.
\n\n[00:19:35] Matt shares ones of his favorite quotes and then he asks Venia what’s the risk of measuring, especially with vanity metrics, where you provide an incentive for things that we don’t necessarily want to incentivize?
\n\n[00:20:25] Venia tells us what GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) is and she highly recommends a lawyer, Suzanne Dibble, who has extensively covered GDPR.
\n\n[00:24:20] Matt and Venia talk about places to start if people are looking for advice and what are things that are vanity looking but could end of being valuable.
\n\n[00:30:37] Venia talks about communities being socio-cultural in nature and therefore they must be measured social scientifically.
\n\n[0036:31] Matt and Venia give their takeaways from today’s conversation that you can hold onto when it comes to the idea of vanity metrics.
\n\nMeasurementMarketing.io-Chris Mercer
\n\nGDPR (General Data Protection Regulation)
\n\n\n\nGeorg Link | Venia Logan | Don Marti | Nicole Huesman | Daniel Izquierdo
\n\n[00:02:56] Ruth tells us all about herself, her background, as well as what Mautic is and what they do.
\n\n[00:04:41] Ruth shares with us what she’s doing with the metrics platform and how that has informed her work.
\n\n[00:06:31] Nicole mentions Ruth’s blog and she recently launched a community health dashboard. Since within the CHAOSS project they work with different metrics around community health, she wonders which metrics does she find most useful and not as useful? She also explains how these metrics have affected her work since she’s made changes to the community over the last year.
\n\n[00:09:27] Ruth tells us what her plan is moving forward to balance contributors with users of the platform who might be non-coding. Venia asks Ruth if she finds that you have to balance the demand of users using the platform but who can’t contribute with the amount of people contributing to the program? Are these viewed as two separate but inner connected communities or do you treat them as one large community?
\n\n[00:11:52] Don wonders if Ruth sees a lot people who are active in both maintaining a plugin and then also contributing to core or perhaps being a maintainer on a plugin and then also a core contributor?
\n\n[00:13:42] Daniel asks if Ruth if she has had any feedback from the community about privacy issues. She also explains how Mautic is handling the general PR of policy limiting what we can do as marketers.
\n\n[00:18:18] With all these challenges and the features that the software needs to provide, Georg wants to know if this is something that the community takes up. Also, since Ruth said there’s a lot of education that needs to happen on how to use the tool properly, how does that get into the community?
\n\n[00:20:38] Ruth talks about documentation and Mautic participating in a Google Season of Docs.
\n\n[00:23:07] Nicole brings up something interesting Ruth brought up in her blog about a project that brings together contributors and makes them experts in a particular area of contribution where they’re contributing to features of a project.
\n\n[00:25:56] Ruth fills us in on the community health report and the way she’s done it to inform people how to do it their own communities to great health and community empowerment. She also tells us if she uses a lot of qualitative data processes when building the report and what the conversations look like between the community members who read the report.
\n\n[00:30:25] The topic of KPI’s and metrics being monitored is discussed here.
\n\n[00:33:10] Integrating privacy tools and the challenge marketers face with the number of tools they have in their stack is discussed.
\n\nThe NEW Low-Maintenance Garden by Valerie Easton
\n\n\n\n\n\nBrandeis University announces commitment to open source movement
\n\nSpecial Guest: Ruth Cheesley.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! In this episode, we have special guest, Ruth Cheesley, Project Lead for Mautic Community and based in UK. Today, we will learn all about Mautic Community Health. We will find out what Ruth is doing with the metrics platform, her recently launched community healthcare dashboard, and participating in a Google Season of Docs. Also, we will learn about a program that enables contributors to take responsibility for specific areas of the Mautic project and become experts. Download this episode to find out more!","date_published":"2020-07-10T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/3ae3ff4c-ba84-40e1-8925-4cb8523b6f51.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":65018366,"duration_in_seconds":2709}]},{"id":"d74faed4-25a1-418a-bbd8-627bc921fed1","title":"Episode 7: Your Community Story with Jono Bacon","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/7","content_text":"Panelists\n\nVenia Logan | Nicole Huesman | Brian Proffitt\n\nGuests\n\nJono Bacon\n\nSponsor\n\nLinode\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:16] Jono gives us an introduction what he does and how he got into his job.\n\n[00:03:48] Nicole asks Jono what are some of the key strategies he’s used over the years to propel his career in community management and community strategy?\n\n[00:07:10] Venia wants to know how Jono ended up managing the role of community manager as he went through his early days. \n\n[00:09:52] Brian wants to know how Jono views the science part of the community health aspect of it and how has that evolved his experience, like early pioneer days to where we are now.\n\n[00:16:15] Jono talks about things that worry him with data and how in recent years we’ve become data fetishists. He also talks about Earl Madman Muntz who ran a TV factory and he needed to reduce costs. Great story here. \n\n[00:21:38] Jono explains why he’s a fan of aggregate evaluation of the value. He talks about a model he developed over the years called the Community Participation Lifecycle. \n\n[00:25:00] Brian asks Jono what he feels is the least understood aspect of being a Community Manager.\n\n[00:33:20] Venia wonders where Jono sees this phenomenon of open source community management moving forward as it permeates the closed economic spheres.\n\n[00:36:35] As we look at the CHAOSS project, Nicole wonders what role does Jono see the CHAOSS project playing in helping us understand the metrics of healthy communities and what would he like to see from the CHAOSS project.\n\nPicks\n\n\n[00:40:55] Jono’s pick is he likes the fact that people feel comfortable challenging him.\n[00:42:44] Brian’s pick is ways to find easy comfort points for new people coming into a community and making them feel a little more welcome without necessarily making drastic changes to your own community.\n [00:44:28] Venia’s pick is if there is someone you truly want to follow, you want to be like, see if they have something written, it could be a blog, a podcast, or a YouTube video. Hit them up! Maybe see if there’s some piece of content you can read. \n [00:45:27] Nicole’s pick is diving into the book, People Powered, by Jono Bacon, and building a relationship with folks and having thought provoking discussions with cross industry thoughtful discussions.\n\n\nLinks\n\nJono Bacon\n\nJono Bacon Twitter\n\nPeople Powered: How Communities Can Supercharge Your Business, Brand, and Teams by Jono Bacon\n\nEarl “Madman” Muntz\n\nCHAOSS\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\nSpecial Guest: Jono Bacon.","content_html":"Venia Logan | Nicole Huesman | Brian Proffitt
\n\n[00:02:16] Jono gives us an introduction what he does and how he got into his job.
\n\n[00:03:48] Nicole asks Jono what are some of the key strategies he’s used over the years to propel his career in community management and community strategy?
\n\n[00:07:10] Venia wants to know how Jono ended up managing the role of community manager as he went through his early days.
\n\n[00:09:52] Brian wants to know how Jono views the science part of the community health aspect of it and how has that evolved his experience, like early pioneer days to where we are now.
\n\n[00:16:15] Jono talks about things that worry him with data and how in recent years we’ve become data fetishists. He also talks about Earl Madman Muntz who ran a TV factory and he needed to reduce costs. Great story here.
\n\n[00:21:38] Jono explains why he’s a fan of aggregate evaluation of the value. He talks about a model he developed over the years called the Community Participation Lifecycle.
\n\n[00:25:00] Brian asks Jono what he feels is the least understood aspect of being a Community Manager.
\n\n[00:33:20] Venia wonders where Jono sees this phenomenon of open source community management moving forward as it permeates the closed economic spheres.
\n\n[00:36:35] As we look at the CHAOSS project, Nicole wonders what role does Jono see the CHAOSS project playing in helping us understand the metrics of healthy communities and what would he like to see from the CHAOSS project.
\n\nPeople Powered: How Communities Can Supercharge Your Business, Brand, and Teams by Jono Bacon
\n\n\n\n\n\nSpecial Guest: Jono Bacon.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! In today’s episode, we have special guest Jono Bacon, a community and collaboration strategy consultant, author, and speaker. He works with companies to help them build communities wrapped around a product or service or develop a platform that’s out in the open. Today, Jono shares with us things that have helped him in his career in community management and community strategies. Also, he discusses what worries him about data and where he sees open source community management moving forward. Also, find out why Jono said, “I want community to be something that makes the world a better place.” Download this episode now! ","date_published":"2020-07-03T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/d74faed4-25a1-418a-bbd8-627bc921fed1.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":72551650,"duration_in_seconds":3022}]},{"id":"44856a8e-48b0-47fc-a0f7-b29d850dad43","title":"Episode 6: CNCF, DevStats, and TODO Group with Chris Aniszczyk","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/6","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Brian Proffitt | Nicole Huesman\n\nGuests\n\nChris Aniszczyk\n\nSponsor\n\nLinode\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:19] When we talk about community health, Chris tells us what comes to mind for him in the context of CNCF. He also tells us what his role is at CNCF. \n\n[00:06:03] Brian is curious to how Chris has adapted his metrics or if he’s adapted his metrics to compensate for the fact that he is in such an explosive mode of growth and has he made adjustments for that. \n\n[00:10:40] Chris talks about CNCF being a vendor neutral organization. \n\n[00:13:12] Nicole wants to know of all the different things Chris is measuring, are there a few that rise to the surface as either the most important or some things that have been aha moments or surprises for him. \n\n[00:15:43] Chris talks about how the view of diversity and inclusion is within the Cloud Native Community and some of the investments that he’s making there. \n\n[00:21:58] Nicole asks Chris to talk about the wonderful people working in the Cloud Native community. He discusses what percentage of men and women CNCF is comprised of and how they are part of the Linux Foundation. \n\n[00:26:28] Georg wants to know how CNCF does metrics for the governing board, technical committee, the project, SIG (Special Interest Group) for the working groups, or do they even go at that level. Also, DevStats provide metrics and how does that play into this. He also explains the annual report and how it all fits together. \n\n[00:31:27] Brian is curious to know from Chris how CNCF began their journey with metrics and where was the start?\n\n[00:34:15] Chris tells us how he views the roll of the CHAOSS project and what he would like to see from the CHAOSS project.\n\n[00:37:29] Chris tells us about the work he does at the TODO Group, which is a network of Open Source Program offices. \n\n[00:42:00] Chris gives us some advice for anyone starting out their open source program office journey. \n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:45:39] Georg’s pick is Percy Jackson Books by Rick Riordan.\n [00:46:03] Brian’s pick is for people to have recharge days. \n [00:46:58] Nicole’s pick is gravitating to provocative discussions such as the CHAOSScast Podcast as well as Code Together Podcast.\n [00:48:20] Chris’s picks are a Netflix show called, 13TH and a book called, White Fragility, by Robin DiAngelo. \n\n\nLinks\n\nChris Aniszczyk Twitter\n\nChris Aniszczyk Linkedin\n\nChris Aniszczyk Website\n\nCloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF)\n\nProject Health Table DevStats\n\nCode Together Podcast-Nicole Huesman\n\nRick Riordan Books\n\n13TH-Netflix\n\nWhite Fragility by Robin DiAngelo\n\nTODO Group Survey\n\nCNCF Annual Report 2019\n\nCNCF Survey Data-GitHub\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\nSpecial Guest: Chris Aniszczyk.","content_html":"Georg Link | Brian Proffitt | Nicole Huesman
\n\n[00:02:19] When we talk about community health, Chris tells us what comes to mind for him in the context of CNCF. He also tells us what his role is at CNCF.
\n\n[00:06:03] Brian is curious to how Chris has adapted his metrics or if he’s adapted his metrics to compensate for the fact that he is in such an explosive mode of growth and has he made adjustments for that.
\n\n[00:10:40] Chris talks about CNCF being a vendor neutral organization.
\n\n[00:13:12] Nicole wants to know of all the different things Chris is measuring, are there a few that rise to the surface as either the most important or some things that have been aha moments or surprises for him.
\n\n[00:15:43] Chris talks about how the view of diversity and inclusion is within the Cloud Native Community and some of the investments that he’s making there.
\n\n[00:21:58] Nicole asks Chris to talk about the wonderful people working in the Cloud Native community. He discusses what percentage of men and women CNCF is comprised of and how they are part of the Linux Foundation.
\n\n[00:26:28] Georg wants to know how CNCF does metrics for the governing board, technical committee, the project, SIG (Special Interest Group) for the working groups, or do they even go at that level. Also, DevStats provide metrics and how does that play into this. He also explains the annual report and how it all fits together.
\n\n[00:31:27] Brian is curious to know from Chris how CNCF began their journey with metrics and where was the start?
\n\n[00:34:15] Chris tells us how he views the roll of the CHAOSS project and what he would like to see from the CHAOSS project.
\n\n[00:37:29] Chris tells us about the work he does at the TODO Group, which is a network of Open Source Program offices.
\n\n[00:42:00] Chris gives us some advice for anyone starting out their open source program office journey.
\n\nCloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF)
\n\n\n\nCode Together Podcast-Nicole Huesman
\n\n\n\n\n\nWhite Fragility by Robin DiAngelo
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSpecial Guest: Chris Aniszczyk.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! In today’s episode, we have special guest, Chris Aniszczyk, Chief Technology Officer at Cloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF) and co-founder of the TODO Group. Chris is here to talk about community health and this fastest growing Open Source foundation ever. We will learn how CNCF began their journey with metrics, the diversity and inclusion within CNCF, DevStats, and he tells us about what he does at TODO Group. And, if you are interested in starting an open source program office journey, download this episode to find out how and much more! ","date_published":"2020-06-26T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/44856a8e-48b0-47fc-a0f7-b29d850dad43.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":74196152,"duration_in_seconds":3091}]},{"id":"1f648b7f-e7a5-4eb2-b4e4-3948c5718cc9","title":"Episode 5: Defining “Open Source Community Health”","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/5","content_text":"Panelists\n\nDawn Foster | Matt Germonprez | Sean Goggins | Georg Link | Don Marti\n\nSponsor\n\nLinode\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:43] Georg explains Open Source, Open Source Community, and Open Source Community Health.\n\n[00:04:25] The rest of the panelists give their opinions on Open Source Community Health. \n\n[00:08:04] Dawn talks about OpenSSL, which is an Open Source project that is in use by almost every single big company in the world but maintained by only a couple of people who could barely afford to do it. \n\n[00:08:45] Don wonders if Open Source Metrics would have helped companies address the OpenSSL situation before it became a headline problem? Sean and Dawn give their opinions. \n\n[00:10:00] Since Sean mentions sustainability, Georg asks Sean where’s the distinction between health and sustainability or is that the same thing? \n\n[00:11:47] Matt wants to know when you’re looking at a software community how much do you differentiate between looking at the community purely from a using the software perspective versus looking at the community from, I would like to contribute to this community?\n\n[00:15:24] We talk about the different working groups here and we talk about other ways that we can conceptualize other areas of community health. \n\n[00:17:10] Dawn makes a point to say when we talk about working groups, what we’re really talking about coming up with definitions for metrics and anyone can contribute. Don talks about different categories in which he thinks of metrics. \n\n[00:20:43] Sean asks Don if there are a lot of job postings for a particular technology? Does the fact there may be many jobs for Kubernetes right now and does that influence how many people participate in that project? How do people decide what to contribute to?\n\n[00:24:30] Sean wants to know from Dawn what are some of the things VMWare concentrates on and she lets us know. \n\n[00:29:08] The panellists talk about the different ways we can get insights to Open Source Community Health. \n\n[00:37:16] Don clarifies what he means when he says, “projects site each other.”\n\n[00:38:25] If you are interested in getting involved in CHAOSS find out here. \n\nPicks:\n\n\n [00:39:50] Georg’s pick is that he added some new fish, 10 Neon Tetras, to his aquarium. \n [00:40:19] Dawn’s pick is a picnic backpack. \n [00:41:02] Sean has two picks: Augur Slackbot and the importance of health. Please pay attention to your own health.\n [00:42:11] Don’s pick is he’s been having fun with the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA).\n\n\nLinks:\n\nCHAOSS\n\nNeon Tetra\n\nPicnic Backpack\n\nAugur Slackbot \n\nCalifornia Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA)\n\nOpenSSL\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\n","content_html":"Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez | Sean Goggins | Georg Link | Don Marti
\n\n[00:02:43] Georg explains Open Source, Open Source Community, and Open Source Community Health.
\n\n[00:04:25] The rest of the panelists give their opinions on Open Source Community Health.
\n\n[00:08:04] Dawn talks about OpenSSL, which is an Open Source project that is in use by almost every single big company in the world but maintained by only a couple of people who could barely afford to do it.
\n\n[00:08:45] Don wonders if Open Source Metrics would have helped companies address the OpenSSL situation before it became a headline problem? Sean and Dawn give their opinions.
\n\n[00:10:00] Since Sean mentions sustainability, Georg asks Sean where’s the distinction between health and sustainability or is that the same thing?
\n\n[00:11:47] Matt wants to know when you’re looking at a software community how much do you differentiate between looking at the community purely from a using the software perspective versus looking at the community from, I would like to contribute to this community?
\n\n[00:15:24] We talk about the different working groups here and we talk about other ways that we can conceptualize other areas of community health.
\n\n[00:17:10] Dawn makes a point to say when we talk about working groups, what we’re really talking about coming up with definitions for metrics and anyone can contribute. Don talks about different categories in which he thinks of metrics.
\n\n[00:20:43] Sean asks Don if there are a lot of job postings for a particular technology? Does the fact there may be many jobs for Kubernetes right now and does that influence how many people participate in that project? How do people decide what to contribute to?
\n\n[00:24:30] Sean wants to know from Dawn what are some of the things VMWare concentrates on and she lets us know.
\n\n[00:29:08] The panellists talk about the different ways we can get insights to Open Source Community Health.
\n\n[00:37:16] Don clarifies what he means when he says, “projects site each other.”
\n\n[00:38:25] If you are interested in getting involved in CHAOSS find out here.
\n\nCalifornia Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA)
\n\n\n\nMatt Broberg | Venia Logan | Sean Goggins | Georg Link
\n\n[00:02:33] We start here with learning about what measurement tools exist in the CHAOSS project.
\n\n[00:07:06] Georg gives us some context on how Bitergia, GrimoireLab, Bitergia Analytics, and CHAOSS all relate to each other.
\n\n[00:09:01] Manrique fills us in on why Open Source is relevant to what they’re doing with Bitergia and GrimoireLab.
\n\n[00:10:37] Since Venia is the co-creator of one of the metrics, Matt is wondering when she looks at the GrimoireLab tool chain, how does that add value to what she’s looking to achieve with it?
\n\n[00:12:41] Ray has a question for Manrique and Georg and wonders what have they benefited from joining CHAOSS and what have they been able to gain from being a part of a larger community? Also, have there been other benefits that they have gained from working with other software communities related to metrics?
\n\n[00:16:04] Venia mentions how she wants to applaud Bitergia for how much they advertise CHAOSS and Bitergia being completely separate entities and she explains.
\n\n[00:17:55] What is the goal of using GrimoireLab and what are some examples of people using it right now?
\n\n[00:22:56] Ray tells us how he uses GrimoireLab. Also, Venia gives us her thoughts on dashboarding.
\n\n[00:32:22] Sean is curious to know what kinds of choices are made in the design of the GrimoireLab technology to prohibit, prevent, or create some of transparency around anything that might be used to measure and individual? Also, since Git Log stores his identifying information organically, how do they handle that technically? Manrique answers these questions.
\n\n[00:00:00] Matt asks Valerio if he has any stories or ideas that come to mind on how he chose to write the software that would be interesting to somebody that may not be as deep in the code as him?
\n\n[00:39:12] Valerio is a mentor for Google Summer of Code participants and he’s going to tell us a little about what that is.
\n\n“Incorporating The Digital Commons”-Benjamin Birkinbine
\n\nMeasurementMarketing.io-Chris Mercer
\n\n“The Tyranny of Metrics”-Jerry Z. Muller
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nGrimoireLab’s Project Hero’s Journey Story
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSpecial Guests: Jose Manrique López de la Fuente, Ray Paik, and Valerio Cosentino.
","summary":"Hello and welcome to this episode of CHAOSScast! What a great episode this is today! We have three guests joining us. Ray Paik, Community Manager at GitLab and Co-Founder and Board of CHAOSS. Also, Manrique Lopez, CEO at Bitergia, Co-Founder of CHAOSS, and Product Owner of GrimoireLab. And last, but not least, Valerio Cosentino, Senior Software Developer at Bitergia, Maintainer of GrimoireLab Projects, and Maintainer of Google Summer of Code. Today, we will be learning more about GrimoireLab and how it fits into the CHAOSS Project. Also, we will be discussing all the ways to gather metrics and the use of different tools involved in GrimoireLab. There is lots of great info, so download this episode now! ","date_published":"2020-06-12T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/1dd6d39a-c0d8-4324-91dc-18c010f946db.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":80688398,"duration_in_seconds":3362}]},{"id":"2244b76d-a4c5-4476-ac68-cedb28b65ae9","title":"Episode 3: Augur","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/3","content_text":"Panelists\n\nMatt Broberg | Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez | Georg Link\n\nGuest\n\n\nSean Goggins\nGabe Heim\nCarter Landis\n\n\nSponsor\n\nLinode\n\nShow Notes\n\n[00:02:23] Sean and Gabe explain what Augur is and how Augur is an integral part of the CHAOSS project.\n[00:04:37] Carter explains some of the things he’s helped the team accomplish recently with getting Augur to be really easy to install, run, and configure. \n[00:06:29] Gabe talks about how people are using Jupyter Notebooks with Augur. \n[00:07:44] Georg is curious to learn a little more about why they decided to go with a single relational database and what challenges they faced, if any, in unifying the data from all the different platforms that Open Source communities are collaborating on.\n[00:11:02] Matt B. asks the team if there is a given audience that this hits home for or if they are you finding community managers in Open Source space being a primary use case.\n[00:11:56] Sean, Gabe, and Carter discuss some of the successes they’ve had along the way with Augur. \n[00:16:14] Dawn talks about how Augur has been used in VMware’s Open Source Program Office. She also explains that Augur is more of a health tool. Find out why. \n[00:23:17] The team explains how stemming these relationships with VMWare, what does this lead to next for Augur and how do these relationships change the roadmap for what Augur can be.\n[00:27:58] If you are interested in exploring Augur and want to try it out, listen here to find out where Sean recommends you could start.\n\nPicks\n\n\n[00:32:19] Georg’s pick is a video game called, “Anno 1800.”\n[00:33:04] Dawn’s pick is a video game called, “Tabletop Simulator” on Steam.\n[00:33:44] Matt B.’s pick is an Open Source software called “Finicky.”\n[00:34:30] Matt G.’s pick is to give a BIG thanks to the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, who’s been instrumental in funding the CHAOSS project since inception.\n[00:34:58] Sean’s pick is a gentleman named, Jordan Love, who is a quarterback with an incredibly strong arm, chosen by the Green Bay Packers in the recent NFL Draft.\n[00:35:26] Gabe’s pick is having a special 21st birthday quarantined with family and watching, “Money Heist” on Netflix. He says it’s very addicting! \n[00:36:28] Carter’s has two picks: One is a library for converting an OpenAPI Specification to Sphinx documentation. His other pick is an album called, “Room to Breathe,” by an artist named Low Hum. \n\n\nLinks\n\n\n CHAOSS/Augur\n Augur Project\n Jupyter Notebook\n Dr. Sean P Goggins Twitter\n Sean P. Goggins. Ph.D\n Carter Landis GitHub\n Gabe Heim GitHub\n “Anno 1800”\n “Tabletop Simulator”\n Finicky \n Alfred P. Sloan Foundation\n Jordon Love Twitter\n “Money Heist”\n Open API spec renderer for Sphinx\n “Room to Breathe” by Low Hum\n\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\nSpecial Guests: Carter Landis and Gabe Heim.","content_html":"Matt Broberg | Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez | Georg Link
\n\n[00:02:23] Sean and Gabe explain what Augur is and how Augur is an integral part of the CHAOSS project.
\n[00:04:37] Carter explains some of the things he’s helped the team accomplish recently with getting Augur to be really easy to install, run, and configure.
\n[00:06:29] Gabe talks about how people are using Jupyter Notebooks with Augur.
\n[00:07:44] Georg is curious to learn a little more about why they decided to go with a single relational database and what challenges they faced, if any, in unifying the data from all the different platforms that Open Source communities are collaborating on.
\n[00:11:02] Matt B. asks the team if there is a given audience that this hits home for or if they are you finding community managers in Open Source space being a primary use case.
\n[00:11:56] Sean, Gabe, and Carter discuss some of the successes they’ve had along the way with Augur.
\n[00:16:14] Dawn talks about how Augur has been used in VMware’s Open Source Program Office. She also explains that Augur is more of a health tool. Find out why.
\n[00:23:17] The team explains how stemming these relationships with VMWare, what does this lead to next for Augur and how do these relationships change the roadmap for what Augur can be.
\n[00:27:58] If you are interested in exploring Augur and want to try it out, listen here to find out where Sean recommends you could start.
Special Guests: Carter Landis and Gabe Heim.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSSCast! Today, we have three guests that are maintainers from the CHAOSS Augur Project. They are Sean Goggins, Gabe Heim, and Carter Landis. Sean is a Professor of Computer Science at the University of Missouri, CHAOSS Co-Founder and Board Member. Gabe is a senior at the University of Missouri, studying Computer Science and Carter is a senior at the University of Missouri, studying Computer Science. They are here to tell you all about Augur and how they play a huge part of the CHAOSS project. Also, Dawn tells us how Augur is used in VMWare’s Open Source Program Office. Also, they discuss all of their successes with Augur so far, and if you are interested in exploring Augur, find out where you could start. Download this episode now. ","date_published":"2020-06-05T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/2244b76d-a4c5-4476-ac68-cedb28b65ae9.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":55419908,"duration_in_seconds":2309}]},{"id":"30a2c393-2b45-4baa-bba5-35265fbfd67a","title":"Episode 2: Social Currency Metric System (SCMS)","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/2","content_text":"Panelists\n\nDawn Foster | Matt Broberg | Georg Link\n\nGuest\n\n\nSamantha Venia Logan\nDylan Marcy\n\n\nSponsor\n\nLinode\n\nShow Notes\n\nWelcome to this episode of CHAOSSCast! Today, we have special guests, Venia Logan and Dylan Marcy of SociallyConstructed.Online. They are here to do some introspection on the process CHAOSS follows for defining metrics and to demonstrate this using the Social Currency Metric System (SCMS). It is a very interesting topic and if you don’t know much about SCMS, then this podcast is definitely worth a listen.\n\n[00:04:00] Venia and Dylan introduce themselves, who they are, what they do, and brought them to CHAOSS.\n\n[00:09:55] Venia and Dylan share how they came about to develop the initiation of the social currency metric system.\n\n[00:14:54] Matt wants to know what it looks like to use SCMS (Social Currency Metric System) and Dylan explains.\n\n[00:18:03] Georg wants to know what the sentiment is and what are these comments that they are talking about. Are they issue comments in open source, issue trackers, emails, slack messages? What is the qualitative data? Dylan and Venia explain.\n\n[00:22:24] What role does sentiment analysis play into this whole system? Dylan and Venia have great responses.\n\n[00:28:11] Matt B. is curious to know if the dashboard is a choose your own adventure dashboard or is it a tool chain, like a set of dashboards that are predefined? Venia loves this question and explains.\n\n[00:33:18] Venia explains the very purpose of the Social Currency Metric System and Matt has an Aha moment .\n\n[00:39:01] Georg wants to know how did Venia and Dylan get from having this very frustrated situation with SCMS talking about they need to do something, and now they have a metric in the CHAOSS project. What was this process for them? Venia responds with “Magic” and explains. Dylan gives a response as well.\n\n[00:43:07] Dylan lets us know there’s a video to check out on sociallyconstructed.online that has tips, tricks, and tutorials.\n\nPicks\n\n\n[00:44:17] Georg’s pick is an aquarium he bought as the lockdown happened and he will be adding fish this week. Is has been bringing him much joy these past few weeks.\n[00:44:42] Matt’s pick is a plug for video games. He just wants people to do whatever brings them joy and calm in this unprecedented time.\n[00:45:42] Dawn’s pick is her balcony. She has finally cleaned it and bought some chairs for it and got to enjoy sitting outside.\n[00:46:56] Venia’s pick is looking at community management. “There’s being the bear, and there’s being the flower.” She is being more the flower.\n[00:47:39] Dylan’s pick is a saying, “This too shall pass!” We will all get through this global pandemic.\n\n\nLinks\n\n\nSociallyConstructed.Online\nSCMS\nVenia Logan Twitter\nVenia Logan Linkedin\nSamanthaVLogan Blog/Website\n\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\nSpecial Guest: Dylan Marcy.","content_html":"Dawn Foster | Matt Broberg | Georg Link
\n\nWelcome to this episode of CHAOSSCast! Today, we have special guests, Venia Logan and Dylan Marcy of SociallyConstructed.Online. They are here to do some introspection on the process CHAOSS follows for defining metrics and to demonstrate this using the Social Currency Metric System (SCMS). It is a very interesting topic and if you don’t know much about SCMS, then this podcast is definitely worth a listen.
\n\n[00:04:00] Venia and Dylan introduce themselves, who they are, what they do, and brought them to CHAOSS.
\n\n[00:09:55] Venia and Dylan share how they came about to develop the initiation of the social currency metric system.
\n\n[00:14:54] Matt wants to know what it looks like to use SCMS (Social Currency Metric System) and Dylan explains.
\n\n[00:18:03] Georg wants to know what the sentiment is and what are these comments that they are talking about. Are they issue comments in open source, issue trackers, emails, slack messages? What is the qualitative data? Dylan and Venia explain.
\n\n[00:22:24] What role does sentiment analysis play into this whole system? Dylan and Venia have great responses.
\n\n[00:28:11] Matt B. is curious to know if the dashboard is a choose your own adventure dashboard or is it a tool chain, like a set of dashboards that are predefined? Venia loves this question and explains.
\n\n[00:33:18] Venia explains the very purpose of the Social Currency Metric System and Matt has an Aha moment .
\n\n[00:39:01] Georg wants to know how did Venia and Dylan get from having this very frustrated situation with SCMS talking about they need to do something, and now they have a metric in the CHAOSS project. What was this process for them? Venia responds with “Magic” and explains. Dylan gives a response as well.
\n\n[00:43:07] Dylan lets us know there’s a video to check out on sociallyconstructed.online that has tips, tricks, and tutorials.
\n\nSpecial Guest: Dylan Marcy.
","summary":"Welcome to this episode of CHAOSSCast! Today, we have special guests, Venia Logan and Dylan Marcy of SociallyConstructed.Online. They are here to do some introspection on the process CHAOSS follows for defining metrics and to demonstrate this using the Social Currency Metric System (SCMS).","date_published":"2020-05-29T03:00:00.000-05:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/f5b24404-14da-4b82-8a25-6de95d2b991b/30a2c393-2b45-4baa-bba5-35265fbfd67a.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":71898106,"duration_in_seconds":2995}]},{"id":"cb9ff8ae-4676-4aa7-9474-5cf688ba22ef","title":"Episode 1: \"Hello, World!\"","url":"https://podcast.chaoss.community/1","content_text":"Panelists\n\nGeorg Link | Matt Broberg | Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez\n\nSponsor\n\nLinode\n\nShow Notes\n\nWelcome to the very first CHAOSS Podcast! In this podcast, we will share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. There will be elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software or CHAOSS Project. It’s new, and new is always good. And hey, it’s got that new podcast smell ☺. Since this is the first episode, we’ll be finding out more about our panelists. Kick back, relax, and take a listen. \n\n[00:01:15] Dawn Foster has been in the industry for more than 20 years and she’s been working on Open Source software most of that time. She is currently at VMware where she is Open Source Community Strategy Lead. She started getting passionate about the open source software communities back in the early 2000’s when she was at Intel. Her interest in open source metrics really came out of feeling a need to justify her own existence. \n\n[00:04:14] Georg Link started his open source journey with a project at openoffice.org. This experience of having a resilient healthy community that can go do its own thing fascinated him. Now he is working as Director of Sales for Bitergia, which is a company out of Spain, that provides metrics and analytics for a software development project and open source projects for the last eight years. \n\n[00:05:44] Matt Broberg’s story with metrics is that he fell in love with community management early on. He was in tech support at a large storage vendor and in there he found out that he can build these communities of people that he truly enjoyed working with. Six years ago, he got a job focusing on open source. He fell in love with the ability for people to solve their own problem. He is currently the Technical Editor of Opensource.com. He is very excited to get this podcast off the ground!\n\n[00:08:42] Matt Germonprez is a Professor at the University of Nebraska-Omaha in the College of Information-Science and Technology. It started for him with a class he was having with a seminar session that was on open source. He had a former student give a guest talk virtually about open source and he explained about corporate engagement with open source and it blew his mind. They both ended up writing a grant to the National Science Foundation that got funded to explore the changing nature of open source work. They worked on this project for about 5 years and they got to explore why and how companies are engaged. \n\n[00:12:20] Matt G. tells us what the CHAOSS Project is and why it exists. \n\n[00:14:12] Is CHAOSS an Acronym or a Backronym? It’s a great story!\n\n[00:16:30] Dawn tells us the structure of CHAOSS and her involvement with it. \n\n[00:19:26] Matt B. tells us what is was like to come to the CHAOSS Project and what is his experience getting engaged since he came last the project. \n\n[00:22:12] Matt G. tells us we don’t have all the answers, but we work with anybody that wants to contribute to help find those answers of understanding community health better. Also, why did we start this podcast? Find out here ☺. \n\nPicks\n\n\n [00:28:33] Dawn’s pick is the Auger tool.\n [00:29:30] Matt B.’s pick is Awesome Zoom Backgrounds for your next zoom or video chat. He wants to make things more entertaining for you and add some backgrounds to your life because we all need some fun in our lives right now!\n [00:30:56] Georg’s pick is an interview between Jono Bacon and Jessica Deen on, “Open Source Community Health: Your Guide to Continuous (Community) Improvement.”\n [00:31:35] Matt G.’s pick is a meeting he was at with Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, which was about funding for scientific open source software. \n\n\nLinks\n\nCHAOSS\n\nAuger\n\nAwesome Zoom Backgrounds\n\nInterview with Jono Bacon and Jessica Deen\n\nChan Zuckerberg Initiative\n\nDawn Foster Twitter\n\nMatt Germonprez Twitter\n\nGeorg Link Twitter\n\nMatt Broberg Twitter\n\nCredits\n\n\nProduced by Justin Dorfman at CodeFund\nEdited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nShow notes by DeAnn Bahr at Peachtree Sound\nAd Sales by Eric Berry at CodeFund\n","content_html":"Georg Link | Matt Broberg | Dawn Foster | Matt Germonprez
\n\nWelcome to the very first CHAOSS Podcast! In this podcast, we will share use cases and experiences with measuring open source community health. There will be elevating conversations about metrics, analytics, and software from the Community Health Analytics Open Source Software or CHAOSS Project. It’s new, and new is always good. And hey, it’s got that new podcast smell ☺. Since this is the first episode, we’ll be finding out more about our panelists. Kick back, relax, and take a listen.
\n\n[00:01:15] Dawn Foster has been in the industry for more than 20 years and she’s been working on Open Source software most of that time. She is currently at VMware where she is Open Source Community Strategy Lead. She started getting passionate about the open source software communities back in the early 2000’s when she was at Intel. Her interest in open source metrics really came out of feeling a need to justify her own existence.
\n\n[00:04:14] Georg Link started his open source journey with a project at openoffice.org. This experience of having a resilient healthy community that can go do its own thing fascinated him. Now he is working as Director of Sales for Bitergia, which is a company out of Spain, that provides metrics and analytics for a software development project and open source projects for the last eight years.
\n\n[00:05:44] Matt Broberg’s story with metrics is that he fell in love with community management early on. He was in tech support at a large storage vendor and in there he found out that he can build these communities of people that he truly enjoyed working with. Six years ago, he got a job focusing on open source. He fell in love with the ability for people to solve their own problem. He is currently the Technical Editor of Opensource.com. He is very excited to get this podcast off the ground!
\n\n[00:08:42] Matt Germonprez is a Professor at the University of Nebraska-Omaha in the College of Information-Science and Technology. It started for him with a class he was having with a seminar session that was on open source. He had a former student give a guest talk virtually about open source and he explained about corporate engagement with open source and it blew his mind. They both ended up writing a grant to the National Science Foundation that got funded to explore the changing nature of open source work. They worked on this project for about 5 years and they got to explore why and how companies are engaged.
\n\n[00:12:20] Matt G. tells us what the CHAOSS Project is and why it exists.
\n\n[00:14:12] Is CHAOSS an Acronym or a Backronym? It’s a great story!
\n\n[00:16:30] Dawn tells us the structure of CHAOSS and her involvement with it.
\n\n[00:19:26] Matt B. tells us what is was like to come to the CHAOSS Project and what is his experience getting engaged since he came last the project.
\n\n[00:22:12] Matt G. tells us we don’t have all the answers, but we work with anybody that wants to contribute to help find those answers of understanding community health better. Also, why did we start this podcast? Find out here ☺.
\n\nInterview with Jono Bacon and Jessica Deen
\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n